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[Gervaise]

I have mixed feelings about this myself.    For example, I would never have considered putting an elf on the throne of Orlais if Leliana hadn't suggested the idea.    It turns out this helps the cause of making her Divine.    In the main game epilogue it states that nobles are only holding back from attacking the Gaspard/Briala combination on the throne because of the support she has from my elven Inquisitor and the respect they have for the Inquisition.    So you would think that Leliana, a consummate bard, spymaster and player of the game would be aware of this.    It was thus intensely disappointing to have Divine Leliana encouraging me to disband the Inquisition at the beginning of Trespasser.    Will that not immediately undo all my efforts with regard to who rules Orlais?    With Leliana fending off assassins herself, I very much doubt she is going to be able to help Briala much, particularly with all the anti-elf feeling that is likely to be flying about.   Briala will also no longer have her edge through the use of the eluvians.    I wanted to disband myself but was concerned about the repercussions if the Divine didn't have her back up peacekeeping force.

 

So on my latest run I did pretty much the same choices; Conscripted mages, kept the Wardens, but opted to keep Celene on the throne with her reconciled with Briala.   Turns out this is guaranteed to give me Vivienne as Divine no matter who I vote for.    So now I'm wondering, is this such a bad thing?     After the main game I would have said, yes.    However, it turns out that no matter who is Divine, you still end up with a College of Enchanters and Circle that is loyal to the Chantry (since Grand Enchanter Vivienne is in charge of it with the other two Divines).   Cassandra calls Vivienne a tyrant at the beginning of Trespasser and ultimately won't work with her after the end.   Still that frees up Cassandra to totally concentrate on the Solas problem, along with Leliana, whilst "tyrant" Vivienne should be able to keep things under control without the need of a neutered Inquisition as her peacekeeping force.    So I can disband the Inquisition with a clear conscience.    Celene can continue with her cautious reform with respect to elves and Briala is likely to retain her position as well.

 

Based on previous play throughs, if I want Cassandra as Divine on a conscripted mages run, I'd have to get rid of the Wardens.    There seems no benefit to doing this and only a negative result regarding the future of the Wardens throughout Thedas, which is not good.    

 

I should point out I'm entirely aware that I could ally with the mages instead but that has its own drawbacks from a role playing point of view and in any case you still end up with a College of Enchanters and Circle, although I could then have Cassandra or Leliana whilst keeping Celene on the throne.   Still do I want them dividing their time between Chantry matters and dealing with Solas?

 

[Dabrikishaw]

Yeah, it's exactly because the college the circle both exist regardless of anything else that I decided to start letting Cassandra and Vivienne on the Sunburst throne.

[Reznore57]

Nope , I can't say I changed my mind about anything.

I'm not fond of Cole hooking up with the bard , I think the Krem thing is better ...but I don't like spirits ,they bore me so Cole's going to stay human.

 

It actually turned out real great for me , I had Divine Cass and free mages so there was some tension I was unhappy with ...but I thought well whatever things can't be perfect.

Then Vivienne , who would get the Sunburst Throne only over my dead body , started to act like a pittbull and scared the rebel mages into submission ...And Cassandra is holding her leash!

 

It actually made me feel like I was a brilliant player of the Game , keeping Vivienne from any true powa and keeping her busy by annoying people who were annoying me.

[Abyss108]

Nope, I make all my decisions "in-character", and don't allow future information to change them. It doesn't really make sense to me to have a story where the main character changes their actions based off information they don't have.

[phishface]

Being completely foul to Solas at every opportunity? Punching him, mocking him, ignoring him, and never ever taking the miserable little ******'s advice.

[Elhanan]

Am thankful that The Keep was so successful for DAI that it should be able to repair any misgivings I may have concerning choices.

However, if Vivienne sits on the Divine Throne, this is a sequel I shall skip....

[Gervaise]

Ordinarily I'd agree but it does annoy me that the Trespasser epilogue didn't even acknowledge the repercussions of disbanding over the Orlais rulership, which according to the main game epilogue it should have.  

 

My "canon" run will still be the one I did before Trespasser, totally in character, but I did wonder what would happen if I had chosen differently over the leader of Orlais issue and it turns out, quite a lot.    Then that gave me pause for thought.     Plus a perverse part of me was thinking after the attitude of the ambassadors on the Exalted Council that Vivienne was the Divine they deserved.

 

To be honest I don't think there should have been a cat in hell's chance of the Chantry voting for a mage Divine, not matter how good she was at the game.  It just flew in the face of everything we knew about the southern Chantry and their attitude to mages.   This is why on an earlier run, when I forgot to vote for Cassandra, I was totally surprised when I got Vivienne.  

 

Likewise, I thought the idea that Briala and the Inquisitor could blackmail Gaspard into pulling his leash was also ludicrous.    So he was plotting against Celene?    This is the Game and if moving against her was so shocking, why had people supported him in the Civil War?     Besides, seeing as Celene was dead and Florianne was dead, then if we didn't let Gaspard take the throne there would have simply been more chaos whilst Orlais decided on someone else.

 

Yes, I am aware that ultimately it makes no difference at all, since I can just alter it in the Keep.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Am thankful that The Keep was so successful for DAI that it should be able to repair any misgivings I may have concerning choices.However, if Vivienne sits on the Divine Throne, this is a sequel I shall skip....

Viv swooped in on the Sunburst throne in my human playthrough and at first I was slightly peeved, but now I'm more curious at how that is going to work out for her in the long run. I'm not a fan of her shenanigans so I made sure she doesn't have access to the Inquisition's army by choosing to disband.

[KumoriYami]

....Sorta.

 

I don't regret allying with the Wardens. If it comes down to it, they'd probably fight Solas's forces if they threatened the Anderfels and the entirety of Thedas for that matter.... but as for Briala and Celene who I reunited, I'm more uncertain about. Briala supports the elves so she could lean either way when it comes to Fen'Harel and the movement of elves across Thedas.... and as she's by the Empress, it could have more repercussions.

 

Regarding the Divine... I prefer having Leliana on the Sunburst throne, but I'm a bit worried. Leliana opens up the Chantry to all races which would make it potentially easier for others to infiltrate without worrying about 'race-restriction' but depending on if she's hardened or not, its easier to dispose of those who rise up against her.

 

Also spirit Cole so Krem and Maryden hook up!

[Mlady]

My main PT worked out fine for me even though I had no clue what the Trespasser epilogue would hold. Cass was Divine, the Mages were free, Viv respected Cass so there was no war with the mages. Cole returned to the Fade to help someone who needed him (Solas I think), my Trevelyan married Cullen and finally met Mia and his nephew. She joined Sera as a Red Jenny in her free time, and is secretly working to help and redeem her best friend Solas. Varric has Hawke helping him rebuild Kirkwall (most likely she reunited with Fenris), Josie got her trading rights back, Bull and his Chargers are keeping things clean from demons and bandits, Dorian talks constantly to my Trevelyan through the crystal he gave her and Celene remains the ruler of Orlais with both Briala and Gaspard alive and Leilana is softened and preparing Charter, Rector and Harding to take over her duties.

 

Only thing I change in my PT is who I ally with and romance based on what kind of character I create, but I never sway from the other above choices. DAO had a happy ending, and I intended for DAI to end happy too, and it did to my surprise. I would say DA2 also ended happy since Kirkwall is safe and Hawke is alive and helping rebuild it.

[Ariella]

Conscripting the mages gives Viv a big boost, and keeping the Wardens nets a neglegent loss. Reconciling doesn't do much from what I've seen. If Celene lives and you spare Garpard she gets a moderate boost.

A lot of what happens is also in conversations. And there is a hierarchy when it comes to ties. According to the Wiki, Viv gets priority over everybody if there's a tie, and Leliana gets priority over Cass if it's just the two of them.

Someone around here has a guide in their sig.

As for dividing Cass and Leliana's time, I'd say look at the rl inspiration for the Divine to answer your question.

Popes have been in the thick of world politics for centuries, and Solas is a grave threat to Thedas and the Chantry. And having the Divine as an ally with resorces of the Chantry might be more valuable than one more warrior or a spymaster.

Also, you could always go to the Templars. Truth is, I've never seen a reason to go to a faction unless I was recruiting them. I'm looking for allies after all, and generall you don't beat up on your allies, if you want to keep them.

[Gervaise]

Thanks but I know who to go to.   I've got an allied mages run through (Celene and Briala reunited, Wardens banished), with either Leliana or Cassandra as Divine (solely dependent on whether I vote for Cassandra).   I've got a conscripted Templar run through with Cassandra as Divine (Wardens banished and Briala on throne) and a conscripted Templar run through with Leliana as Divine (Wardens recruited and Briala on throne).   I've got a conscripted mages run through (banished Wardens, Briala on throne) where I got Vivienne as Divine when I forgot to vote for Cassandra and Cassandra as Divine when I did.    I've got a conscripted mages run through with Leliana as Divine (Wardens recruited and Briala on throne) and now a conscripted mages run through with Vivienne as Divine (Wardens recruited, Celene and Briala reunited).   

 

Actually the main thing I altered after my first few runs was with regard to the Wardens.    There was absolutely not repercussions to keeping the Wardens with you, other than the loss of a bit of approval from certain companions, despite the ominous warning that they were still vulnerable to control by Corypheus.   By contrast, banishing them from Orlais, which seemed sensible at the time because of the corruption issue, turned into them being banished from across Thedas (which is not what I asked for - I specifically avoided asking Leliana to capitalise on the banishment) and disappearing from the world.   It is the fact that outcomes don't match the warnings that made me swap to metagaming on the Warden issue.   Plus I was unduly influenced by Solas on my first run and down the line I started wanting to do things just to spite him - he really doesn't like the Wardens does he?    May be he blames them for the loss of his orb, since they were the ones who didn't find a lasting solution to the problem of what to do with Cory.

 

The reason I saved Celene first time round, apart from the incredulity at Leliana's suggestion concerning Briala, was the fact that, as my Inquisitor pointed out, I thought the idea was to save Celene to avoid chaos.   Suggesting that could happen anyway and then the solution was to put Briala on the throne had me staring at the screen open mouthed, thinking, "Did Leliana really just suggest that?"    In one conversation we had gone from "we must save Celene to avoid plunging Orlais into chaos" to "we must kill Celene to avoid plunging Orlais into chaos by putting an elf in control."  And our remit had changed from neutralising an assassin to deciding who ruled Orlais.    That was what was so weird about the Exalted Council, because if anyone had a grudge against the Inquisition and suggested they had outstayed their welcome, I'd have thought it would have been Orlais.   I'm clearly not cut out for politics.

 

What I had intended doing on this run, but in the end couldn't bring myself to because it was so out of character, was deliberately annoy Solas, apart from the Warden issue.    He really does seem such a reasonable person, which is why the warning from the evanuris seems spot on.    Instead I just took to laughing at every instance where he was being a total hypocrite or his words were ironic in view of what we learn about him in Trespasser.    And when he turns around at the end and says to me "I'm not a monster," I was saying back "Yes, you bloody are."

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Vivienne's stated policies as per her dialogue in the main game, and the things Morrigan said she did with her new power in the epilogue, actually didn't sound that bad. Though I did have some misgivings even before Tresspasser came out because I'm not sure how much I trust her, and even if she is on the level I'm worried about the precedent she set. But I went with her as Divine anyway because I liked her platform. I'm not going to change that decision in the Keep; I want to keep playing in the world I created by playing the previous game rather than creating another one in the Keep, and also I want to see where it goes if I get DA4. But I have since learned things to make me wonder if it wasn't a mistake from Malverde Trevelyan's point of view. Cassandra apparently resigned in protest due to decisions from Vivienne that made Cassandra feel that Vivienne was a tyrant who was perverting the Chant of Light. Since I don't own Tresspasser I don't know if we have any more to go on than that, but it's worrying because I have some trust in Cassandra's moral compass.

 

I also feel like working to keep Abelas and his partners alive will probably work out to have been a poor move on my Inquisitor's part. I already wasn't feeling too good about it since the alliance required me to take a longer route to get through the Temple while my men died buying me the time I was wasting, but now that an elf from the time period they're trying to keep alive who wants a goal Abelas could logically want is looking to be a major villain down the road, I feel like I might feel even worse about it later.

[Mlady]

I also feel like working to keep Abelas and his partners alive will probably work out to have been a poor move on my Inquisitor's part. I already wasn't feeling too good about it since the alliance required me to take a longer route to get through the Temple while my men died buying me the time I was wasting, but now that an elf from the time period they're trying to keep alive who wants a goal Abelas could logically want is looking to be a major villain down the road, I feel like I might feel even worse about it later.

 

I can't see Abelas supporting Solas if he knows or finds out he killed Mythal despite how willing she was.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I can't see Abelas supporting Solas if he knows or finds out he killed Mythal despite how willing she was.

Flemeth and Mythal aren't precisely the same character. Flemeth was a human woman who absorbed what was left of Mythal after the other Evanuris murdered Mythal, and that scene looks like Flemeth sacrificing herself so that Solas can take Mythal's spirit to increase his own power. If that interpretation is correct, then technically Solas is now Mythal to the same extent Flemeth was. If so, and if Abelas thinks that the person who absorbed Mythal counts as Mythal, that leads to the idea that Abelas would feel he had to follow Solas. Or even if he doesn't want to follow Solas/Mythal he might literally have to if he's controlled the same way whoever drinks from the well is controlled.

[Mlady]

Flemeth and Mythal aren't precisely the same character. Flemeth was a human woman who absorbed what was left of Mythal after the other Evanuris murdered Mythal, and that scene looks like Flemeth sacrificing herself so that Solas can take Mythal's spirit to increase his own power. If that interpretation is correct, then technically Solas is now Mythal to the same extent Flemeth was. If so, and if Abelas thinks that the person who absorbed Mythal counts as Mythal, that leads to the idea that Abelas would feel he had to follow Solas. Either way, he might literally have to if he's controlled the same way whoever drinks from the well is controlled.

 

Possibly. That was my first thought too, but I do wonder if her plans for Morrigan will reveal things in a different light. I feel her apology to Solas meant she was going to stop his plans. I suspect Abelas will support her and not Solas even if she's part of him now, but because he's bound, she could have Morrigan or the Inquisitor stop Solas by taking over. As she told my Inquisitor who drank, she had no commands for her... yet. That's kind of ominous. I like Abelas though and hope he is not a min-boss before Solas.

[Boost32]

Vivienne's stated policies as per her dialogue in the main game, and the things Morrigan said she did with her new power in the epilogue, actually didn't sound that bad. Though I did have some misgivings even before Tresspasser came out because I'm not sure how much I trust her, and even if she is on the level I'm worried about the precedent she set. But I went with her as Divine anyway because I liked her platform. I'm not going to change that decision in the Keep; I want to keep playing in the world I created by playing the previous game rather than creating another one in the Keep, and also I want to see where it goes if I get DA4. But I have since learned things to make me wonder if it wasn't a mistake from Malverde Trevelyan's point of view. Cassandra apparently resigned in protest due to decisions from Vivienne that made Cassandra feel that Vivienne was a tyrant who was perverting the Chant of Light. Since I don't own Tresspasser I don't know if we have any more to go on than that, but it's worrying because I have some trust in Cassandra's moral compass.

There is nothing more to go than that.
The only Divine who we get to know more about her actions is Leliana, because her epilogue tell us what she did as Divine.
Vivienne's epilogue only tell us she allowed the ex-Inquisition's mages to make the College of Enchanters. The only other moment where Vivienne's actions are mentioned is when Mother Giselle talk about it, she says the first year wasnt a peaceful one but now she showed to everyone the mages were under her control and she united the Chantry.

[nOrio_26]

Well, that's what Solas intend to do, change the history. It's awful.

[Big I]

I used to "inspire" Leliana during her quest and then make her Divine. Now that I know that "steeling" her is better from a "reform the Chantry" perspective, I always encourage her to kill Natalie. And honestly, I think I like a steeled Leliana more; she doesn't take any **** from anyone. Hilariously, Vivienne hates it even more than usual if a steeled Leliana is Divine; the ultimate validation.

 

 

I always sacrifice the Chargers because it's for the greater good. Needless to say I hated Iron Bull's betrayal, but I'm willing to live with it because I still think saving the dreadnought is the better option. However, I no longer have Bull and Dorian form a relationship; Dorian's reaction to Bull's betrayal in that instance is heartbreaking.

 

 

I honestly didn't mind Solas's story. Sure he's aboslutely crazy, but so was Loghain and he turned out okay. I'm hopeful we'll get to redeem the Dread Wolf and save him from himself.

[Dai Grepher]

I have mixed feelings about this myself.    For example, I would never have considered putting an elf on the throne of Orlais if Leliana hadn't suggested the idea.    It turns out this helps the cause of making her Divine.    In the main game epilogue it states that nobles are only holding back from attacking the Gaspard/Briala combination on the throne because of the support she has from my elven Inquisitor and the respect they have for the Inquisition.    So you would think that Leliana, a consummate bard, spymaster and player of the game would be aware of this.    It was thus intensely disappointing to have Divine Leliana encouraging me to disband the Inquisition at the beginning of Trespasser.    Will that not immediately undo all my efforts with regard to who rules Orlais?    With Leliana fending off assassins herself, I very much doubt she is going to be able to help Briala much, particularly with all the anti-elf feeling that is likely to be flying about.   Briala will also no longer have her edge through the use of the eluvians.    I wanted to disband myself but was concerned about the repercussions if the Divine didn't have her back up peacekeeping force.

 

So on my latest run I did pretty much the same choices; Conscripted mages, kept the Wardens, but opted to keep Celene on the throne with her reconciled with Briala.   Turns out this is guaranteed to give me Vivienne as Divine no matter who I vote for.    So now I'm wondering, is this such a bad thing?     After the main game I would have said, yes.    However, it turns out that no matter who is Divine, you still end up with a College of Enchanters and Circle that is loyal to the Chantry (since Grand Enchanter Vivienne is in charge of it with the other two Divines).   Cassandra calls Vivienne a tyrant at the beginning of Trespasser and ultimately won't work with her after the end.   Still that frees up Cassandra to totally concentrate on the Solas problem, along with Leliana, whilst "tyrant" Vivienne should be able to keep things under control without the need of a neutered Inquisition as her peacekeeping force.    So I can disband the Inquisition with a clear conscience.    Celene can continue with her cautious reform with respect to elves and Briala is likely to retain her position as well.

 

Based on previous play throughs, if I want Cassandra as Divine on a conscripted mages run, I'd have to get rid of the Wardens.    There seems no benefit to doing this and only a negative result regarding the future of the Wardens throughout Thedas, which is not good.    

 

I should point out I'm entirely aware that I could ally with the mages instead but that has its own drawbacks from a role playing point of view and in any case you still end up with a College of Enchanters and Circle, although I could then have Cassandra or Leliana whilst keeping Celene on the throne.   Still do I want them dividing their time between Chantry matters and dealing with Solas?

 

Well, the forces of the Inquisition go to the Chantry anyway, so you don't have to worry about Leliana having no support.

 

I have been very fortunate in my choices for DA:O/A and Inquisition. Everything I choose for my main, first/canon playthroughs has fit everything I've wanted as well as the canon facts of the games in all but the slightest of cases. Even my Hawke fit Inquisition, both in worldstate and Hawke's personality (aversion to blood magic, melancholy, worried about responsibility of rule, didn't want to rule).

 

The only mismatch I can think of was a bit of headcanon where I imagined my Inquisitor and Cassandra not being separated for very long. He took her everywhere (except Cole's and Leliana's quests). But then Gaspasser ruined it by saying she left on her own to rebuild the Seekers. Nothing I can do about that.

 

So no, there's nothing I would change.

[DuskWanderer]

Actually, I did. I used to save Abelas, and now, I say "screw you" and enjoy it when Morrigan knifes him. 

 

As for Solas, screw him. I think he's cool and all, but I'm not willing to sacrifice the lives of every human and dwarf so he can revive the elven empire...that was so crappy he destroyed it in the first place. His cosmic tantrums have real consequences, and the lives of the innocent matter more than one tantrum baby

[GoldenGail3]

No. I'm happy with my Canon. She's happy with Cullen right now, so yeah, I'm happy

[nightscrawl]

No. I don't -- or well, I try REALLY hard not to -- let meta knowledge influence my decisions too much. The exception to this would be conversation flow; I've done many of the conversations so many times that I know the order in which I want to pick the options so that it sounds the most like a natural conversation.

 

With all three games I let my character make the decision that seems appropriate at the time with the given knowledge available to them. The character might regret a certain decision later on after knowing that happens, but only if that knowledge is also available in the game for my character to know. But if I personally dislike the outcome I try to NOT allow that feeling to influence my choice in the next play.

[TheExtreamH]

The only thing i make sure to not touch is Bull and the chargers, I always make him leave the Qun. Also to never make that B**** Viv divine.

[LightningPoodle]

Nope. I'm happy with my choices.