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[Abocreature]

This might have already been stated before, so sorry if it's all redundant.

 

I was shooting around on YouTube looking at ME4 theories and found some guys discussing the Stargazer scene and that it was weird how they referred to the stars in the galaxy as being something undiscovered and new even though we know that we've explored the majority of the Milky Way already, at the very least knowing all of the sentient species living there. So I looked at the ending sequence again (using the Destroy ending as that is most likely canon) and found this line:

Our galaxy. Which does not specify the Milky Way galaxy. So the next natural thought is: maybe they're in Andromeda. But how could they have gotten there but still seem as though they can't travel through space yet?

 

And that stumped me for a bit but I went back to the Normandy's crashing scene and found something:

Look familiar?

 

So... perhaps they're actually on the same planet. And if that planet's in Andromeda, that would mean the Normandy somehow showed up there. But how? What exactly made the Normandy crash in the first place?

 

Well, they were trying to outrun that shockwave or whatever it was at the end when it caught up to them, leading us to believe it caused the crash. But the Normandy obviously can't just fly to Andromeda in a high speed chase. And speaking of which, it couldn't even fly itself to another life supporting planet in that time considering the relays were immediately damaged and the FTL drive can only go so far. There aren't exactly many life supporting planets near Earth. So what actually happened?

 

Look at this: 

You notice the stars on the right are moving, but the stars on the left are relatively still. That probably means some sort of wormhole connecting two different places, which could definitely explain their arrival in another galaxy.

 

So the wormhole sucked them to a place they couldn't readily escape from, wouldn't someone have noticed? Here's everyone shown to be in the Normandy for reference:

But if you look through all the ending slides, none of these people appear. None of them. Which is weird, right? Some of those characters would definitely want to lead the rebuilding effort and their absence is strange. So perhaps, in fact, they went missing somewhere where they couldn't get back. LIke the Andromeda galaxy. Where they'd have to build some sort of civilization on their own until they could find a way to get back home.

 

And that's the summation of my evidenced part. You could take this and pretty easily speculate a plot from it and I'll leave that to you all. Let me know what you think.

[LinksOcarina]

Not bad but one problem:

 

How does the crew re-populate with so few numbers?

[Dean_the_Young]

Not bad but one problem:

 

How does the crew re-populate with so few numbers?

 

There's an obvious answer to that, you know.

[LinksOcarina]

There's an obvious answer to that, you know.

 

Oh?

 

I guess it's over my head. What is the answer?

[Taki17]

So... perhaps they're actually on the same planet. And if that planet's in Andromeda, that would mean the Normandy somehow showed up there. But how? What exactly made the Normandy crash in the first place?

 

Well, they were trying to outrun that shockwave or whatever it was at the end when it caught up to them, leading us to believe it caused the crash. But the Normandy obviously can't just fly to Andromeda in a high speed chase. And speaking of which, it couldn't even fly itself to another life supporting planet in that time considering the relays were immediately damaged and the FTL drive can only go so far. There aren't exactly many life supporting planets near Earth. So what actually happened?

 

Look at this: 

 

You notice the stars on the right are moving, but the stars on the left are relatively still. That probably means some sort of wormhole connecting two different places, which could definitely explain their arrival in another galaxy.

 

So the wormhole sucked them to a place they couldn't readily escape from, wouldn't someone have noticed? Here's everyone shown to be in the Normandy for reference:

 

That's the (virtually) mass-free space corridor created by the relay collapsing because of the relay's destruction. These mass relays operate in the Milky Way and Joker most likely used the address of another known Milky Way relay as a destination. When the relay was destroyed, de corridor began to collapse from one end. What you see there, is normal space inside our galaxy, probably about halfway to the destination relay, maybe in an unexplored part of the galaxy.

 

The stars "standing still" in the rift while the stars zooming in the corridor could be because of the Lorentz transformation, as compared to those stars, the Normandy moves incredibly fast (and the camera moves with the ship).

 

The extended cut ending shows the Normandy leaving the planet too.

[AlanC9]

even though we know that we've explored the majority of the Milky Way already, at the very least knowing all of the sentient species living there.

Neither of these are true.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bioware confirmed that the Normandy is still in the MIlky Way and not Andromeda. Sorry but your hypothesis is incorrect. 

 

even though we know that we've explored the majority of the Milky Way already, at the very least knowing all of the sentient species living there.

This is factually incorrect. Web know according to the lore that less than 1% of the Milky Way galaxy has been explored by our cycle, leaving virtually all of it still unexplored. With all the races discovered in the 1% of the galaxy we have explored, there is no way the other 99% of the galaxy is completely uninhabited by unknown races. 

[Chardonney]

Stranding the Normandy into Andromeda would've definitely been one of the worst ideas ever. 

[Abocreature]

Bioware confirmed that the Normandy is still in the MIlky Way and not Andromeda. Sorry but your hypothesis is incorrect. 

 

welp

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Another thing was that the iOS app, if you selected the high EMS destroy ending had you receiving an e-mail informing you (Shepard) that your LI was looking forward to visiting you in ICU. That LI could be Liara, Kaidan, Ashley, Garrus, Samantha, or Steve from the Normandy.

[Display Name Owner]

Oh?

 

I guess it's over my head. What is the answer?

 

To take all the rules about inbreeding and just throw them out the window. You can't see because the Stargazer scene only shows silhouettes, but that child is terribly deformed. He has 2 faces.

[AlanC9]

Another thing was that the iOS app, if you selected the high EMS destroy ending had you receiving an e-mail informing you (Shepard) that your LI was looking forward to visiting you in ICU. That LI could be Liara, Kaidan, Ashley, Garrus, Samantha, or Steve from the Normandy.

One of these days someone's going to have to post a screenshot of that.

[Arcian]

Not bad but one problem:

 

How does the crew re-populate with so few numbers?

The same way the deep south does.

[Arcian]

Another thing was that the iOS app, if you selected the high EMS destroy ending had you receiving an e-mail informing you (Shepard) that your LI was looking forward to visiting you in ICU. That LI could be Liara, Kaidan, Ashley, Garrus, Samantha, or Steve from the Normandy.

That's actually from the beginning of the game if you romanced Kaidan or Ashley in the previous games.

[themikefest]

How did they know Anderson is dead to have his name on the wall if they're in Andromeda? The same for Shepard?

[AlanC9]

QEC?

[themikefest]

Is there anything to suggest that a QEC can reach Andromeda?

[Zehealingman]

One of these days someone's going to have to post a screenshot of that.

 

Wow, after all those years I've never heard of this.

EDIT: Nevermind, I guess.

[Chealec]

Is there anything to suggest that a QEC can reach Andromeda?

 

I don't think there's an effective maximum range with quantum entanglement, not that anyone has been able to test it yet, but quantum physics is weird

[themikefest]

If ems is above 2700, that means all endings were available. If ems is below 2600, the Normandy is stuck on that planet needing repairs. So that means only control or destroy was chosen. If ems is below 1750, the door to the Normandy won't open suggesting all onboard are dead because destroy was the only option.  Rebuilding of any type would be unlikely

 

The other thing is that memorial scene from above can have some of those characters dead.

[Statichands]

If ems is above 2700, that means all endings were available. If ems is below 2600, the Normandy is stuck on that planet needing repairs.

 

I thought you needed like 5000 to get every ending? 

[themikefest]

I thought you needed like 5000 to get every ending? 

No.

 

With the extended cut, 3100 ems is needed to get the breath scene. All 3 endings, control, destroy and synthesis will be available if ems is at least 2700 or higher.

 

Before the the extended cut was released, 4000 ems was needed if Anderson is 'saved' to get the breath scene. If the player chooses to let TIM shoot Anderson, 5000 ems is needed to get the breath scene. If ems is at least 2800 or higher, control, destroy and synthesis will be available

[Catastrophy]

Not bad but one problem:

 

How does the crew re-populate with so few numbers?

Romance options.

[Statichands]

No.

 

With the extended cut, 3100 ems is needed to get the breath scene. All 3 endings, control, destroy and synthesis will be available if ems is at least 2700 or higher.

 

Before the the extended cut was released, 4000 ems was needed if Anderson is 'saved' to get the breath scene. If the player chooses to let TIM shoot Anderson, 5000 ems is needed to get the breath scene. If ems is at least 2800 or higher, control, destroy and synthesis will be available

 

 

Alright, the IGN page I was looking at a couple of weeks ago needs to be updated.  Wait, can you save Anderson? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Alright, the IGN page I was looking at a couple of weeks ago needs to be updated.  Wait, can you save Anderson? 

No, Anderson dies no matter what. At best he is just alive for a couple more minutes.