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[Iakus]

There is no necessary contradiction. As I see it, they destroyed what was left of Arlathan and took it for the whole. It's very plausible. Of course it could all be wrong, but if the ancient history makes sense - and it appears to - I see no reason to question the approximate validity of the times given.

 

But the thing is, less and less of the ancient history is proving to be entirely accurate. The Creators were not gods (not as we understand them), the quickening was not caused by humans.  There was no cataclysmic war between Tevinter and Arlathan.   What else has been misunderstood if not outright rewritten?  By the Chantry, by Tevinter, or simply lost to time?

Corypheus is unreliable, on hand he claims the golden city was already black filled with corruption and dead whispers but he also boasts on how he walked its golden halls as he fights you which is a tad hard to do if the city was already black. He also only claims the maker does not exist in his break you with words speech while in his Journal he merely refers to people praying to a absent god who does not answer and how he would give the people a god that would answer their prayers.

 

There is also the matter that there are ancient records of the golden city being golden before the first blight and word of god from the developers also stated the golden city was indeed golden until the seven magisters breached it.

I would be very curious to see when exactly the records record the Blackening of the city.  And how it corresponds to the magisters performing their ritual.  

 

but Corypheus does make two things absolutely clear despite his ramblings:

 

The Golden City was already blackened when they got there

The City was unoccupied

[Heimdall]

They were invited in the Golden City by their own Gods .

Cory thought his gods were living in there too , he was pretty sure he would find them in here.

 

The whole "religion" of the Old Gods was like this , people prayed and made some sacrifice etc...and they got some boon in return.Visions , teachings about magic , who knows what.

 

Really you can only blame them for killing slaves , in the context of Old Tevinter , the fade wasn't taboo , getting boons from your gods was normal , etc...

That's what actually happened, but I was talking about the Chantry story when taken as a metaphor.  In the Chantry story, the influence of the Old Gods isn't any different than the devil in a Christian story.  Its not about falling victim to a lying serpent, its about allowing yourself to fall victim to temptation to selfishness rather than doing the right thing.  The Old Gods, like the Devil, embody that temptation.  The Magisters tried to put themselves at the center of the universe, to make themselves the most important and powerful beings, an act of supreme pride.  And terrible things happened because they allowed themselves to be seduced by that ego stroking voice of temptation.

 

Like I said, this is my takeaway when reading the Chantry story as a moral metaphor, removing the mythology from it.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

To me, I think Trespasser tells us the timeline from WoT is inaccurate, or if it is, then it doesn't quite tell the story we thought it did. It's also possible there are retcons, because WoT 2 tells us a very different story about human/elven first contact than WoT 1 does.

 

I would be very curious to see when exactly the records record the Blackening of the city.  And how it corresponds to the magisters performing their ritual. 

 

I believe there is this codex entry that tells us it matches exactly.

[In Exile]

But in the Chantry version it wasn't faith that drove them to act but the offer of godlike power. They made the effort for entirely selfish reasons, so I think the moral stands.

 

I don't mean religious faith (I know people like to notionally distinguish between religious faith and other kinds of faith, but that distinction is silly). The magisters had faith that the power was there in that narrative - there was no proof of it besides the whispers, and no evidence they could just take it beyond that they were told. It was greed instead of piety that drove them, but we can easily cast any kind of faithful devotion as greed (i.e., a desire for salvation, etc.).

 

Ultimately, the Magisters didn't do their research and had things go pretty badly for them. 

[d1ta]

While I personally don't have much opinion in the Chantry (since it's a fictional religion in a fictional world ) my characters however, have different opinion regarding it.

Inquisitor Lavellan : Thinks it's just a human religion. A way for them on how to make sense or view the world around them. She respects their view but holds the Elvhen pantheon and lore close to her chest... that is, before the Temple of Mythal. After that (and finding that there is a 'story' of how once Andraste can control a dragon theough her song, Mythal's face on the floor of the temple of sacred ashes.. ) she thought that, "well sh*t, I supposed the humans are screwed too, wether they'd like to admit it or not."
And after Tresspasser, she laughed because her mind just cant seemed to shake the image of Maker Solas and the Herald of Fen'Harel
Let the humans have their belief, she has hers.

Inquisitor Theodatus Adaar: a Vashoth that desperately seeks and wanted so much to be accepted in the Andrastrian society. His parents left the Qun because they want to 'raise a family' and little Theo always wanted to be helpfull despite the other kids around him treating him unjustly.
What ever the truth reveal though, he's a strong believer that the Chantry and Templars are forces of good and they're there to maintain order. Believing that their mistakes could still be amended with the right leader and support.
I have one dilema over this character though.. who should this dude romance? I'm having tough time deciding between Cassandra or Josephine :/ still can't decide.

[Ariella]

I don't mean religious faith (I know people like to notionally distinguish between religious faith and other kinds of faith, but that distinction is silly). The magisters had faith that the power was there in that narrative - there was no proof of it besides the whispers, and no evidence they could just take it beyond that they were told. It was greed instead of piety that drove them, but we can easily cast any kind of faithful devotion as greed (i.e., a desire for salvation, etc.).
 
Ultimately, the Magisters didn't do their research and had things go pretty badly for them.

They were also panicked. More and more Tevinters were moving away from faith in the Old Gods, and iirc, the Old Gods had stopped communicating with their priests. Then the whispers came.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't mean religious faith (I know people like to notionally distinguish between religious faith and other kinds of faith, but that distinction is silly). The magisters had faith that the power was there in that narrative - there was no proof of it besides the whispers, and no evidence they could just take it beyond that they were told. It was greed instead of piety that drove them, but we can easily cast any kind of faithful devotion as greed (i.e., a desire for salvation, etc.).

 

Ultimately, the Magisters didn't do their research and had things go pretty badly for them. 

 

The moral of the Chantry story is that their goal, motives and desires are inherently wrong. Whether there was enough proof it was possible it completely beside the point.

[Big Blackwall]

I do think that the Chantry had good intentions, but several of its controlling members were corrupted along the way. Overall I think Thedas is a better place with them than without them.

[Hazegurl]

I don't mean religious faith (I know people like to notionally distinguish between religious faith and other kinds of faith, but that distinction is silly). The magisters had faith that the power was there in that narrative - there was no proof of it besides the whispers, and no evidence they could just take it beyond that they were told. It was greed instead of piety that drove them, but we can easily cast any kind of faithful devotion as greed (i.e., a desire for salvation, etc.).

 

Ultimately, the Magisters didn't do their research and had things go pretty badly for them. 

I don't know if their cause can truly be summed up as simple greed.  Cory believed in what his God told him, his desire was to gain power but also to cement his religion which was losing favor with the people. Which is why he was so disappointed in the idea that Dumat may have never existed. The Architect didn't even make a decision until he gathered a full council and spoke to his God himself.  He wasn't eager to leave on the promise of power and it seems like if he wasn't told to go he wouldn't have. I can't speak for the others but it seems like at least two Magisters on record were not there for a smash and grab.

 

I also don't think it's a coincidence that Seven high priests decide to enter the Golden City during a time when Tevinter was becoming less religious and more about using religion as a political tool.  I would say that piety did drive them regardless of what the Chantry says.  I don't see how it's any different than Brother Genitivi searching for the Scared Ashes.

[In Exile]

I don't know if their cause can truly be summed up as simple greed. Cory believed in what his God told him, his desire was to gain power but also to cement his religion which was losing favor with the people. Which is why he was so disappointed in the idea that Dumat may have never existed. The Architect didn't even make a decision until he gathered a full council and spoke to his God himself. He wasn't eager to leave on the promise of power and it seems like if he wasn't told to go he wouldn't have. I can't speak for the others but it seems like at least two Magisters on record were not there for a smash and grab.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that Seven high priests decide to enter the Golden City during a time when Tevinter was becoming less religious and more about using religion as a political tool. I would say that piety did drive them regardless of what the Chantry says. I don't see how it's any different than Brother Genitivi searching for the Scared Ashes.

The actual story is pretty complicated. But for the sake of argument I was playing the Chantry story straight. My point was nevertheless that it's not quite so clear whether the point of the story is made even if we accept the premise, because it's not really hubris or pride as much as it is a lack of preparation. I suppose one could argue pride is the cause of not preparing, but these religious stories about pride tend to me more about humility and accepting your place vs. still being all for usurping power as long as you're smart about it.

[Ieldra]

But the thing is, less and less of the ancient history is proving to be entirely accurate. The Creators were not gods (not as we understand them), the quickening was not caused by humans.  There was no cataclysmic war between Tevinter and Arlathan.   What else has been misunderstood if not outright rewritten?  By the Chantry, by Tevinter, or simply lost to time?

The thing is, all of our knowledge about the world is preliminary and subject to being revised by new evidence or because of evolving methods. At any time, we can only work with the evidence we have, and assuming it's false without a reason just because it isn't the whole, complete truth is unjustified. So yeah, we shouldn't take all this as "The Final Truth", but since we shouldn't take *anything* as "The Final Truth" it makes no difference. We work with what we have and draw our conclusions from it until there's evidence that changes the picture.

 

Specific points:

 

(1) That the Evanuris were no gods is a matter of debate since there is no agreed-upon definition of the term. Any deity that exists is indistinguishable from a wizard with world-shattering powers, because divinity, as far as we can determine, is no intrinsic attribute but an attribute conveyed by those who call that entity a god. Thus, for the history it makes no difference at all whether or not the Evanuris were gods or super-powerful mages, because that's for all intents and purposes one and the same.

 

(2) You say there was no big war between Arlathan and Tevinter. You don't know that. I consider it very likely that the solid-world-aspect of Arlathan that was left after the sundering of the Veil was still powerful enough to give Tevinter considerable resistance, and that the intact Elvhenan would've crushed the Imperium like an anthill.

 

(3) The quickening was not caused by humans. No surprise here, I say. That was always rather implausible. The revelation actually creates more plausible history and makes the picture much clearer than it was before.

 

So yes, we should remain open to further revelations that prove the old legends wrong here and there. But then, we should *always* be open to that. One set of new documents can revise even history that's much better established. For a student of history, that's perfectly normal. One suspects that many historians would rather like this to happen more often, simply because revisions are more interesting than "the established theory is true".

[Iakus]

The thing is, all of our knowledge about the world is preliminary and subject to being revised by new evidence or because of evolving methods. At any time, we can only work with the evidence we have, and assuming it's false without a reason just because it isn't the whole, complete truth is unjustified. So yeah, we shouldn't take all this as "The Final Truth", but since we shouldn't take *anything* as "The Final Truth" it makes no difference. We work with what we have and draw our conclusions from it until there's evidence that changes the picture.

 

Specific points:

 

(1) That the Evanuris were no gods is a matter of debate since there is no agreed-upon definition of the term. Any deity that exists is indistinguishable from a wizard with world-shattering powers, because divinity, as far as we can determine, is no intrinsic attribute but an attribute conveyed by those who call that entity a god. Thus, for the history it makes no difference at all whether or not the Evanuris were gods or super-powerful mages, because that's for all intents and purposes one and the same.

 

(2) You say there was no big war between Arlathan and Tevinter. You don't know that. I consider it very likely that the solid-world-aspect of Arlathan that was left after the sundering of the Veil was still powerful enough to give Tevinter considerable resistance, and that the intact Elvhenan would've crushed the Imperium like an anthill.

 

(3) The quickening was not caused by humans. No surprise here, I say. That was always rather implausible. The revelation actually creates more plausible history and makes the picture much clearer than it was before.

 

So yes, we should remain open to further revelations that prove the old legends wrong here and there. But then, we should *always* be open to that. One set of new documents can revise even history that's much better established. For a student of history, that's perfectly normal. One suspects that many historians would rather like this to happen more often, simply because revisions are more interesting than "the established theory is true".

I would take what you say a bit further.  That we are in the midst of a massive shift in understanding about Thedas' history.  THis may well be the upheaval Flemeth has been hinting at.  New (or rather, old) sources of information are returning, reshaping assumptions about the world.  I don't think anything can be taken for granted anymore

 

To address your points:

 

1) this is why I qualified my statement with them not being gods "as we understand them"  THe assumption of a god seems to be the old-man-with-a-long-white-beard.  Omniscient, omnipotent, eternal.  When it seems that the "gods" of Thedas seem more akin to ancient Norse or Greek gods.  Powerful, but flawed.  Certainly not all-knowing, and potentially killable (albiet with great difficulty)

 

2) Actually Abelas confirms the lack of a war, saying the elves destroyed themselves.  Tevinter simply moved in afterwards and finished what was left.

 

3) It certainly helps confirm that the humans were not responsible for the fall of the elves.  But what precisely happened is still a question.  Everything we thought we knew about Arlathan, and possibly ancient Tevinter is wrong.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

If there was a war with the remains of the Elvhenan, then I would suspect that the fall of the elves still occurred before the arrival of humans because history doesn't have even the slightest memory of an Elvhenan as awe inspiring powerful as we now know it was, nor do even human myths and legends contain stories of a catastrophe like it's collapse or the fundamental nature of reality changing. 

 

Also, I'm not super knowledgeable about the religion of ancient peoples but I thought even ancient Norse and Greek deities were believed to be divine in a way that makes them in some way inherently different from humanity. Even ancient gods who aren't thought to be omnipotent are thought to have a fundamentally different place in the cosmos than mankind. I mean, for example, the ancient Greeks had a vaguely similar story to the Chantry about the dangers of hubris in the tragedy of Bellerophon.  He believed himself to be worthy to join the gods and tried to fly up to mount Olympus but this angered Zeus, so he sent a gadfly to sting his horse which caused Bellerophon to fall back down to Earth. 

 

And I believe the Vikings believed Odin or Frejya or the Valkyries would spirit the souls of the dead to the afterlife. That's something the Dalish believe Falon'din could do, but presumably he can't since he isn't the type of being they think him to be.

[QueenCrow]

If there was a war with the remains of the Elvhenan, then I would suspect that the fall of the elves still occurred before the arrival of humans because history doesn't have even the slightest memory of an Elvhenan as awe inspiring powerful as we now know it was, nor do even human myths and legends contain stories of a catastrophe like it's collapse or the fundamental nature of reality changing. 

 

Also, I'm not super knowledgeable about the religion of ancient peoples but I thought even ancient Norse and Greek deities were believed to be divine in a way that makes them in some way inherently different from humanity. Even ancient gods who aren't thought to be omnipotent are thought to have a fundamentally different place in the cosmos than mankind. I mean, for example, the ancient Greeks had a vaguely similar story to the Chantry about the dangers of hubris in the tragedy of Bellerophon.  He believed himself to be worthy to join the gods and tried to fly up to mount Olympus but this angered Zeus, so he sent a gadfly to sting his horse which caused Bellerophon to fall back down to Earth. 

 

And I believe the Vikings believed Odin or Frejya or the Valkyries would spirit the souls of the dead to the afterlife. That's something the Dalish believe Falon'din could do, but presumably he can't since he isn't the type of being they think him to be.

Funny thing is, in Ynglinga Saga, which is based upon earlier skaldic poem Ynglingatal, it is said that Odin and his people came from the South, were regular people and were so gifted (with widsom and magic) that Northern peoples began to revere them and worship them as gods.  That sounds similar to the Elvhen gods - regular elves, but gifted in magic.  So perhaps Falon'Din could usher spirits to another world with his particular magical gifts even though it turns out he was a regular guy with some extraordinary talents.  And perhaps that's why elves began to revere, worship, and/or serve him?

[Lavellan-San]

i saved Petrice and she promised help. where is she there's no reason to cast her away.

 

She could be used as a sacrifice for blood magic and I still wouldn't care, bastard killed Saemus.

[CuriousArtemis]

I'm really indifferent and I want to get people's opinions on the Chantry, thoughts?

 

I think it's not terrible writing but not great either... it's essentially the Catholic religion/myth repackaged. Andraste=Jesus, The Maker=Yahweh, Female priests=male priests. It made for an interesting D&D campaign no doubt but for a massive gaming franchise I think the idea should have been a bit more original and complex.

[Hellion Rex]

I like a Cassandra run Chantry, and that's about it.

[kal_reegar]

Do you support the Chantry?

 

Yes, always.

As Cousland, because "things have always been this way".

As Hawke, because "the templars and the gran cleric rules kirkwall. Being friend to them might be useful".

As Trevelyan, because "the herald of andaraste/inquisitor is supposed to do so".

[Gervaise]

I normally play elves so have never really had much time for the Chantry.   In DAO the Chantry sister just stood by while I was kidnapped from my wedding to be raped by Vaughan.    She should have been raising the alarm straight away.    Nor was the Chantry particularly outraged when I revealed that Loghain was selling elves into slavery but the Reverend Mother got really upset that he interfered with a Templar's "sacred" duty.   Get your priorities right, woman, Andraste fought to free the slaves from Tevinter.    My Dalish discovered that the Chantry had removed the Canticle of Shartan from the Chant for political reasons.    Surely if this was the holy word of Andraste and her followers, you shouldn't be taking bits out?      Our trip to the Shrine of Sacred Ashes confirmed Shartan's role, his motivations and that he considered we were betrayed.    So all in all I didn't have much respect for the Chantry either in character  or out of it.     My human noble was a believer - why shouldn't he be?

I actually almost had more sympathy for the Templars than the mages in DAO because of the lyrium addiction that is forced upon them and the dreadful affects when it is withdrawn.

 

In DA2 my Hawkes were generally Andrastrian, in other words believed in the Maker and that Andraste was his prophet, but did not have much faith in the Chantry itself.  Didn't agree with Andes blowing the place up though because it really messed things up for the other mages.    It was confirmed by Cullen in DAI that Anders was right about the number of mages being made tranquil, illegally.   Cole confirmed the sexual abuse and rape of mages and particularly tranquil by Templars.   Yet nothing was done about it.    Cassandra was right that the Seekers failed in their duty to regulate abuses.   She was truly shocked by what Cole revealed.

 

DAI has removed much of my respect for the Chantry.   The number of times my elf wanted to tell the truth but was advised not to because we should let the people have their faith.    I discovered by reading various codices that apparently the Chant bears no relation whatsoever to the real history of Andraste's crusade (as confirmed in WoT2).     Not only had they removed Shartan from their history but had also airbrushed Ameridan out as well.     When the Dalish clan wished to make a peace offering over Red Crossing none of my advisers (all Chantry believers) wished to encourage its acceptance in the spirit in which it was given.    When I met one of the few remaining senior Chantry figures with Vivienne, she was dressed as a noblewoman, not in Chantry robes.   The thought that Leliana could become Divine and then have the hall run with blood if she didn't get her way or that Vivienne could ever have been voted in, just destroyed any vestiges of respect I might have had for the institution.    I don't see it as a unifying force because those in the nobility give scant respect to the moral code of the Chant.     Local chantries may do good works among the poor and orphans but as Merrill pointed out in DA2, the Dalish look after everyone in their clan, so it might well be that the good chantry sisters would do this without being attached to the bigger organisation.

 

Masked Empire confirmed how little anyone actually follows the moral code set out in the Chant.    Justinia encouraged Celene to put down the elven revolt with violence instead of insisting upon justice for the elven merchant that had started it.    Nobles thought insulting the memory of their prophet with a sleazy play was amusing and a good move in the game.    Chevaliers train their recruits by sending them out to kill elves in the alienage.    Don't tell me the Chantry aren't aware this went on.

 

WoT2 just seemed to confirm that very little of the actual Chant came from Andraste herself.  It seems that many parts of the Chant are likely based off older elven myth, the invention of Hessarian or Drakon.    Parts have been added in and then taken out again over the years according to the whim of the current Divine.    Drakon is actually the founder of the Chantry, not Andraste, and most of the ideas about it being a unifying force come from him.    The history of Andraste is totally different to what is contained in the Chant.    What with the revelations about Solas and the Veil, together with the whole history of the evanuris and the Titans, that doesn't leave much room for the Maker, except as a first cause who has taken no interest since.    Very little of what Andraste claims about creation seems to match with what has been revealed.    

 

So all in all I see no reason to support the Chantry except as a human for purely selfish, political motives.    My elves see no reason to do so at all. 

[ModernAcademic]

I support the original principle which guided the foundation of the Chantry and its proposal: the establishment of an institution that would bring order in a world rendered asunder by chaos through the creation of a religion to unify hearts and minds.

However, as it happens to any political institution, the Chantry became corrupted and faultered many times on its original mission. The only way is to either promote a complete reform or dissolve the Chantry and replace it with a similar institution, but one who is under close scrutiny of the authorities.

Either way, institutions like the Chantry are needed and will forever exist, even when they take a completely different form. There will always be a need for something that fills the role of a guide in spiritual matters in every society. The issue is what shape does that institution take: an oppressive, dogmatic church or an inclusive, philosophical cult?

[fangs4fun]

I dislike the organisation.  I am okay with people believing in the Maker and Andraste.

[Master Warder Z_]

 When the Dalish clan wished to make a peace offering over Red Crossing none of my advisers (all Chantry believers) wished to encourage its acceptance in the spirit in which it was given.    

 

That really makes a lot of sense though, given that erm...Both sides still sort of have a bit of resentment over the fact elven soldiers hopped border, murdered a bunch of people and led to a war that killed a lot of folks on both sides, and the current state of elven terrorists squatting all over the place.

 

Not getting involved AT ALL in that powder keg is the best choice.

 

Also on topic: Holy crap the Chantry told the truth about this surprise surprise, Red Crossing happened more or less as history via them said it did. Elven invasion, murder and rightful retribution on the invaders.

[SwobyJ]

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Maker

 

I think somehow Solas' actions connect with their Maker. I feel that much of the beliefs of the people of Thedas are messed up and misread stories from the fall of Arlathan and somehow Andraste's actions were either combined with it or this Maker who spoke to her is not the real Maker and is what is sealed within the Black City. The same City that holds the taint and that led Corypheus to open the gates and release part of it.

 

lol @ some Wiki user being your only source. 

 

The Chant says nothing about the Maker creating the Veil. It was only assumed.

 

The Chant described the creation of existence from silence, and the realm of the spirits (The Fade), and the realm of mortals (Thedas).

 

The Veil is not THE barrier between realms - it is A barrier between them. It is a special magic.

 

Basically, the Maker created the Fade and Thedas, and the differences between them, but he did NOT, as per the Chant (forget about the Chantry etc assumptions), create the Veil between the realms.

 

So previously, the Fade and Thedas intermingled - different rules, but in coexistence.

 

Maker theology is still intact. It is perhaps only current day Chantry interpretations that can be indisputably, at least from the Inquisitor's perspective, considered wrong.

 

Maker creates Fade --> Maker creates Spirits --> Maker creates Thedas --> Maker creates Man -----> Veil created

 

 

So the Maker turned from his firstborn

And took from the Fade
A measure of its living flesh
And placed it apart from the Spirits, and spoke to it:

 

This just means the Maker took from the Fade a part of it and placed it as its own realm, one separate from where the Spirits resided. What was the previous 'Balance' of 'Everything Fade', is now a state of opposition. From there being Fade vs Thedas, all sorts of other opposition arises.

 

From his Voice, the Maker creates the Fade and its Spirits. From a portion of what the Fade is, the Maker creates Thedas, since the Spirits were but echos of his Voice. His Voice plus this portion of the Fade forms Thedas and its basic workings. A new world, but a world that is like the dead echo of an echo. But in this world, the Maker created Man (dunno how other races may fit in). Man were given souls/made in the composition that makes up souls, and therefore, while limited by the realm of Thedas and their placement in it, had all the possibilities to do things and become things that the spirits did not (or at least had, but could not comprehend due to their nature as fixtures of the Maker's Voice). Man could 'choose' (even if choice might be considered an illusion).

 

 

 

Nothing about this speaks of the Veil. In fact, we already know that magic exists that has much more fluid and smooth travel and existence between realms. They are but wavelengths. The Veil is like its own wavelength that interrupts the flow between the Fade and Thedas. It makes the difference between them much more prominent - it doesn't completely close either off, but it locks away a lot. It is engineered by Solas.

 

 

TLDR; Really, nothing in DAI contradicts the CHANT. It contradicts the CHANTRY, but we're allowed to reform or use or do whatever with that. What happens in DAI is a big message of 'Not everything is what it seems', NOT 'everything your culture was founded on was a complete lie'. This is even true for the Dalish - feel betrayed by revelations about Fen'Harel, sure, but it isn't a mistake that Solas is considered a trickster god to be wary of, and its likely still true that the Creators at least originally had benevolent intentions. The foundations of belief have sense to them.

[GoldenGail3]

All of my characters have been devout Andrastians, though each in their own ways.
 
My first (and who I consider my primary) character, Elissa Cousland, was the most zealous. She was like Cassandra in many ways, stubborn and willful and self-righteous, but far less gregarious or likable. She was cold and harsh and utterly devoted to her duty, whether it be to the Maker, the Wardens, or Ferelden. She was also a borderline human supremacist, given her background; she spent her life with elven servants, and was taught that magic was a dangerous weapon abused by most.
 
My Hawke had her faith in the Maker, yes, but I picture her as an Andrastian in the same way Varric is. She doesn't see it as the governing force of her life, and part of her just likes the idea of someone always looking out for her.
 
My Trevelyan's faith was tested, but she always believed that she was chosen by Andraste; she just wasn't sure if she was worthy. She isn't rigid and uncompromising like Elissa, but she's no pushover, and by the time Trespasser rolls around she's a staunch supporter of Divine Victoria.

My Cousland has always been kind and respectful of everyone around her, she's never been overly zealous of the Maker (though she does believe In Him.) she's dedicated and headstrong though (and a bit of a hopeless romantic too). Our Couslands may not get along so well... Mines Queen Cousland, isn't yours Mistress Cousland? Also, Angelica has nothing against Elves or any other species, and as such she was the goodest good girl ever. She Romaced Alistair, and was ambious enough to rule besides Alistair.

My Hawke was Snarky. And he was a Mage. He was like 'well, Andraste didn't believe in Mages! Why should I believe anything she says?' So he's on the end on whenever he should or shouldn't believe in the Maker.

My Quiz was a hard core Andasteran, from day one she worshiped him, and unlike Hawke (their both mages), she hold heartly believed in the Maker. She was respectful towards The Temple though, and did there rituals like she intented to do.

(All of mine are human. I don't know why, I made them all human. Well, I do have a lot of Lavellens, so I'm fine!)

[prosthetic soul]

The Chantry is basically real life Catholicism but with female priests instead of males. 

 

So....no? 

 

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I'm a Deist btw