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[nevsky41]

I have an issue with the fact that apparently, the Keep makes being friends with Vivienne and giving her the actual snowy wyvern's heart mutually exclusive?  In all my playthroughs, I have NEVER been friends with Vivienne (my choices just always garner her disapproval), but I always gave her the actual snowy wyvern's heart, so the fact that the Keep apparently thinks that I can't give her the snowy wyvern's heart without being her BFF is ridiculous.

[dgcatanisiri]

I get the impression that in giving her the heart of the snowy wyvern, it cements their relationship as friendly enough to fall under the category of 'earned her friendship.' You may not raise her approval up enough to get her to discuss becoming Divine with you, but in doing this thing for her, it's enough of to get her friendly, as opposed to explicitly antagonistic.

[Renata]

I get the impression that in giving her the heart of the snowy wyvern, it cements their relationship as friendly enough to fall under the category of 'earned her friendship.' You may not raise her approval up enough to get her to discuss becoming Divine with you, but in doing this thing for her, it's enough of to get her friendly, as opposed to explicitly antagonistic.

 

This is pretty spot on. Regardless of whether you were friendly or not with Vivienne before - if you give her a real Snowy Wyvern heart, all the "friends" dialogue options in the game open up for the remainder of your interactions with her. 

[wannabemage]

But then why have two separate tiles for personal quests and friendship at all, if they're intrinsically linked? I thought we were going to be able to construct slightly more complicated relationships with our companions this way, by completing their personal quest but still not getting along. Or vice versa. My Inquisitor gave Viv the snowy wyvern heart, because she tries to be nice to everyone, but those two disagreed on literally everything else.

[Bellanaris88]

That actually upsets me too. I want the Keep to reflect my Inquisitors relationship with their companions. Even in-game, in the scene after that quest, Vivienne makes it clear that she only used my Inquisitor for her own ends. There was nothing friendly about it.

[nightscrawl]

That actually upsets me too. I want the Keep to reflect my Inquisitors relationship with their companions. Even in-game, in the scene after that quest, Vivienne makes it clear that she only used my Inquisitor for her own ends. There was nothing friendly about it.

 

Yes, I completely agree. During this quest, and even after her Bastien dies, my Inquisitor is polite, but not caring. The only reason he gives her the real heart is because that's just the kind of guy he is -- honest. It's not an act of friendship; he was asked to do something, said he would, and goes and does it. That's all. In the later conversation with Bastien's relatives I choose the aggressive options. I really don't think we should be considered friends.

 

Before this point in the game, my approval is so low that I'm able to trigger the "moving furniture" dialogue. I also avoid doing the "I want to help the Circle" quest, since that raises her approval.

 

Because the wyvern quest is triggered automatically via cutscene, you can't avoid taking it other than not talking to her at all.

 

 

However, I will say that this isn't necessarily a Keep issue. The Keep is only showing us what flags are triggered. If the game registers us as friends based on completion of this quest, then there is nothing to be done other than a patch, which is unlikely.

[Bellanaris88]

Ah.. That's why I got the spa-day scene with her in Trespasser. And I checked my files, I had -68 approval from her on my last save before I started the DLC.

 

That's very strange, but as you say, it's a game issue.

[AnimalBoy]

Good thing i enjoy being friends with everyone.

[JWvonGoethe]

This issue seems to affect every companion. The most bizarre example is that it happens when you force Solas to kill his friend, which Solas greatly disapproves of. But if you kill his friend then the Keep forces you to be friends with Solas. Since when did killing someone's friend against their wishes make you close with that person?

Bear in mind there is an actual cutscene in the game, during which Solas can bring up how much he dislikes you due to the actions you took during his personal quest. You can punch him during that cutscene.

Why go to all the trouble of putting that cutscene in the game if the Keep is going to force us to be friends with him anyway?