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[Aren]

He stinks as king. He's sarcastic and irresponsible regardless of whether he's hardened or not. An absolute joke. He's better off as a Warden. As are we all.

 

 

Nah sorry The warden HoF is better as a king than just a warden

[GoldenGail3]

Nah sorry The warden HoF is better as a king than just a warden

*Only a Prince Consort* Coughs. I pefer Queen Consort to be honest, at least I get to be called "My Queen" instead of "My prince". And it's even proven if you kept Leliana as your Queens mistress, she's delcared the mistress of the Queen of Ferelden. While the Prince Consort is called Prince Consort.

[Dai Grepher]

Nah sorry The warden HoF is better as a king than just a warden

 

Huh? I was talking about Alistair being a bad king. The Cousland is an awesome king.
 

[Dai Grepher]

*Only a Prince Consort* Coughs. I pefer Queen Consort to be honest, at least I get to be called "My Queen" instead of "My prince". And it's even proven if you kept Leliana as your Queens mistress, she's delcared the mistress of the Queen of Ferelden. While the Prince Consort is called Prince Consort.

 

Bah! That's just typical BioWare mess-uppery. The male Cousland is a joint-ruling king no matter what anyone says to the contrary.

[GoldenGail3]

Bah! That's just typical BioWare mess-uppery. The male Cousland is a joint-ruling king no matter what anyone says to the contrary.

Queen Consort Cousland isn't a ruling joint Queen, so why should King Cousland be any different?

[Dai Grepher]

Queen Consort Cousland isn't a ruling joint Queen, so why should King Cousland be any different?

 

Never played a female Cousland, so I can't say for sure, but from what I understood the F!Cousland who marries Alistair will say the same lines as the M!Cousland at the Landsmeet (with Alistair instead of Anora), and she will actually be referred to as her title without the "consort" moniker. So she is actually addressed as a regnant queen would be. The M!Cousland is called "king" in one or two cases, but he is also called "prince" and "consort" in a few cases as well, which is what causes the problem.

 

I don't think anything should be different, because an F!Cousland who marries Alistair is a regnant monarch as well, but in any case, the Cousland who settles the Landsmeet with the marriage option is in fact declaring joint rule as a regnant monarch. There is never any language in that statement which places the Cousland at consort status.

 

Therefore, since the Cousland's statement is law (according to the agreement of the banns to abide by the duel), that is what the canon must reflect, and it does in quite a few instances in DA:O, DA2, and DA:I.

 

If there were to be any differences between the male and female Cousland, it would be the fact that the male Cousland's family name should pass to his spouse, unlike how the female would take Alistiar's family name to replace hers. So if there ever were a question of who is a regnant monarch or not, the male Cousland should have the stronger case since Anora would be taking the Cousland name whereas Alistair would be bestowing the Theirin name to the female Cousland. But again, a Cousland of either gender is a joint ruling monarch.

[duckley]

I would have loved to have seen more screen time with King Alistair, as I always make him King. But I did play him as a warden in DA:I just to get the screen time.

[Tidus]

Actually Alistair is more of a figure head.. We know who rules Ferelden Queen Anora if that end is played out.

[GoldenGail3]

Actually Alistair is more of a figure head.. We know who rules Ferelden Queen Anora if that end is played out.

No. He's a King Regent, and he's done a good job at ruling Ferelden. My Canon Cousland refused to let Anora get the throne, so I guess in my Canon, my Cousland either let Anora go or killed her. But I sort of ship Fergus Cousland/Anora for some reason...

[Tidus]

My female elf dumps Alistair on Anora's lap after they agree to marry each other-a happy arrangement as far as my warden concerned..

 

My warden is now free to wonder the world with her BFF Leliana. That's how I end my female warden games. 

[Toasted Llama]

At least a 2 second scene is better than the 0-second scene I got x'D

Playing through the game, super excited to see old characters faces in next-gen and then all I get from Alistair is a lousy letter! Grumble grumble grumble...

 

But yes, judging from the size cameos by Morrigan and Leliana, the encounter was kinda disappointing. Though look at it from the positive side, at least it's not as bad as Z...aa.....er.... what was his name again?

(No seriously though, did Bioware just completely forget about Zevran?)

[Dai Grepher]

No. He's a King Regent, and he's done a good job at ruling Ferelden. My Canon Cousland refused to let Anora get the throne, so I guess in my Canon, my Cousland either let Anora go or killed her. But I sort of ship Fergus Cousland/Anora for some reason...

 

He's kind of flakey sounding in his letters though, and I think the letters for a hardened Alistair are the same.

 

That ship sort of makes sense, though I don't see Fergus getting along with her. I think if he were to remarry, he would want a woman similar to Oriana. I ship Fergus and Alfstanna, myself. Makes the most sense, especially if the younger Cousland helps her by finding her brother. She gives a family heirloom as a sign of friendship between Highever and Waking Sea. With Fergus as the new Teyrn at the end of the game... the ship sails itself. Sea what I mean?

[sylvanaerie]

At least a 2 second scene is better than the 0-second scene I got x'D

Playing through the game, super excited to see old characters faces in next-gen and then all I get from Alistair is a lousy letter! Grumble grumble grumble...

 

But yes, judging from the size cameos by Morrigan and Leliana, the encounter was kinda disappointing. Though look at it from the positive side, at least it's not as bad as Z...aa.....er.... what was his name again?

(No seriously though, did Bioware just completely forget about Zevran?)

 

Zevran gets several war table missions, and his letters are hilarious.  I understand if he's not romanced you get the missions, if he was romanced, he doesn't turn up because he's with the HoF on his/her mission to cure the Calling.  So it could be you didn't see his missions because he was romanced?

 

At least we don't have to look at scary Post Origins Zevran, and his letters to Leliana/The Inquisitor were pure Zev.  Also, his VA does the dialogue for "American Accent Male" Inquisitor.

 

As for King Alistair, considering he's not there to chit chat with the Inquisitor, but there because Fiona and the mages f*ed up royally, I get why there wasn't a lot of dialogue.  Warden Alistair doesn't have all the ruling pressures to contend with and is a lot more open to discussions about non-inquisition things.  Kind of wish King Al had mentioned the Queen Cousland, but it's all water under the bridge now.

[Toasted Llama]

Zevran gets several war table missions, and his letters are hilarious.  I understand if he's not romanced you get the missions, if he was romanced, he doesn't turn up because he's with the HoF on his/her mission to cure the Calling.  So it could be you didn't see his missions because he was romanced?

 

At least we don't have to look at scary Post Origins Zevran, and his letters to Leliana/The Inquisitor were pure Zev.  Also, his VA does the dialogue for "American Accent Male" Inquisitor.

 

As for King Alistair, considering he's not there to chit chat with the Inquisitor, but there because Fiona and the mages f*ed up royally, I get why there wasn't a lot of dialogue.  Warden Alistair doesn't have all the ruling pressures to contend with and is a lot more open to discussions about non-inquisition things.  Kind of wish King Al had mentioned the Queen Cousland, but it's all water under the bridge now.

 

I actually mean cameos as in actually seeing them, war table missions are like codex entries to me. (Plus I probably missed his wartable missions, because after a certain point I just didn't read the missions anymore and sent whoever had the shortest time.... Im such a great tactician! lol)

 

 

Also, his VA does the dialogue for "American Accent Male" Inquisitor.

 

 Lolwhat? ... That really heavy, qunari/dwarf sounding voice.... is the same as that antivan squishy elf? .... uh... wow. just wow. I did not realize that xD

[roselavellan]

It was disappointing how short the cameo was for King Alistair. I really enjoyed the experience with GW Alistair, and especially when he talks about a romanced HoF. I thought that experience definitely made GW Alistair worthwhile. (Although then you have to choose between Hawke and Alistair in the Fade).

[Dai Grepher]

Too bad there's no representation for the drunken Alistair path. But I guess at this point he would be considered "Recovering Alcoholic Alistair", and that seems boring. I like to think that Alistair sobered up, got over it, and accompanied the Hero on the cure quest.

[GoldenGail3]

He's kind of flakey sounding in his letters though, and I think the letters for a hardened Alistair are the same.

That ship sort of makes sense, though I don't see Fergus getting along with her. I think if he were to remarry, he would want a woman similar to Oriana. I ship Fergus and Alfstanna, myself. Makes the most sense, especially if the younger Cousland helps her by finding her brother. She gives a family heirloom as a sign of friendship between Highever and Waking Sea. With Fergus as the new Teyrn at the end of the game... the ship sails itself. Sea what I mean?

Oh. Yeah, I do. But I don't know where Anora would go then. Maybe she died in mine though.

[Dai Grepher]

Oh. Yeah, I do. But I don't know where Anora would go then. Maybe she died in mine though.

 

That's a good question I've never thought of before. I doubt Alistair would keep her locked up forever. So... if she won't renounce her claim to the throne, I guess that only leaves... the Chantry, exile, or death. I could see her being sent to the Chantry. I could also see her being exiled to the Free Marches. She might even become some low ranking ruler in a town or something. I don't see her remarrying in this case, not even for power. I can't see her being put to death, but a hardened Alistair might do that, especially if she betrayed the Wardens in the Landsmeet. It's a good question.

 

I had one thought related to this a while ago. If my Cousland had put Alistair on the throne instead and took Gwaren as his own teyrnir, then maybe Anora would have gone to him eventually.

[GoldenGail3]

That's a good question I've never thought of before. I doubt Alistair would keep her locked up forever. So... if she won't renounce her claim to the throne, I guess that only leaves... the Chantry, exile, or death. I could see her being sent to the Chantry. I could also see her being exiled to the Free Marches. She might even become some low ranking ruler in a town or something. I don't see her remarrying in this case, not even for power. I can't see her being put to death, but a hardened Alistair might do that, especially if she betrayed the Wardens in the Landsmeet. It's a good question.
 
I had one thought related to this a while ago. If my Cousland had put Alistair on the throne instead and took Gwaren as his own teyrnir, then maybe Anora would have gone to him eventually.

Well, Anora became a book cleric in my world save. I don't think she'd keep Anora around to pollute Alistair though. So Book cleric it is!

[Dai Grepher]

Book cleric? Is that canon? It sounds like it could be true.

[Tidus]

With my warden its a simple matter..He/She won't kill without just caused and having Alistair to marry Anora is the best path for uniting Ferelden against the blight since that's my warden main goal. My female Elf was more then willing to dump Alistair on Anora.

 

After the blight ends my warden leaves the area since he/she is fed up with Alistair,Anora, politics and darkspawn. You see my warden never wanted to be a grey. Even my city elf wanted to escape and find the Dalish Elves and not join the greys.

[Aren]

*Only a Prince Consort* Coughs. I pefer Queen Consort to be honest, at least I get to be called "My Queen" instead of "My prince". And it's even proven if you kept Leliana as your Queens mistress, she's delcared the mistress of the Queen of Ferelden. While the Prince Consort is called Prince Consort.

They are interchangeable titles prince consort it's equate to king consort they are the same thing,

https://en.wikipedia...ki/King_consort

that is why Anora and the games ((DA2,and DAI)) refer to the Warden sometime as Prince,sometime as king like she did at the post coronation

Anora:

"who shall soon be your king"

or in DAII is referred as king consort in all of his mention,since they are the exact same thing.

Plus unlike Alistair Anora is less legitimated,being the daughter of a disgraced general,not a noble,not the daughter of Maric,this give to his consort pretty much an influence that cannot be overshadowed unlike the AListair scenario,since it stated in DAI that Anora has problems with her legitimacy,thus proof that his consort is more powerful than her,while i would say that Alistar for birthright is always more influential than the Queen consort.

but there was already a topic for that 

http://forum.bioware...prince-consort/

[GoldenGail3]

They are interchangeable titles prince consort it's equate to king consort they are the same thing,
https://en.wikipedia...ki/King_consort
that is why Anora and the games ((DA2,and DAI)) refer to the Warden sometime as Prince,sometime as king like she did at the post coronation
Anora:
"who shall soon be your king"
or in DAII is referred as king consort in all of his mention,since they are the exact same thing.
Plus unlike Alistair Anora is less legitimated,being the daughter of a disgraced general,not a noble,not the daughter of Maric,this give to his consort pretty much an influence that cannot be overshadowed unlike the AListair scenario,since it stated in DAI that Anora has problems with her legitimacy,thus proof that his consort is more powerful than her,while i would say that Alistar for birthright is always more influential than the Queen consort.
but there was already a topic for that 
http://forum.bioware...prince-consort/

Yeah, but the Queen Consort can romace him. Unlike Anora, were your trapped in a loveless marriage. And I betcha, the Queen Consort is most likely more influencing then the lowly Prince Consort who is actively known as prince Consort. The Queen Consort isn't known as the Princess Consort though, only as the Queen Consort. I suppose the one is known as the Prince Consort (and Anora doesn't even take on your name, either. But neither does the Queen Consort for Alistair does either.) Does not have as much power as the Queen Consort, who is known without the Consort part of her name. However, he is know as the Prince Consort, not only a King or Prince (without the Consort tittle of his name).

[Cobra's_back]

It's not a missed opportunity with him and Fiona, Fiona could tell him anytime she wanted but she does not want to. It's not like he's 3 years old and won't remember down the line. He's an adult and finding out that everyone he thought was family or close to him lied about his heritage would do more damage than good. He might even die before all the tensions would be resolved. 

I agree. She never was a mother to him by her choice.

[Tidus]

Dai, I been thinking.. Maybe a a cameo of drunk Hero of Ferelden would be better then a drunk Alistair? After all the "Hero" lost his lady love Leluana and still faces the fact he still not welcome in many places because and looked down upon because he is a Elf.