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[kimgoold]

My HoF is mistress to King Alistair (hardened) and hopefully convinced Ali to kill Anora before she back stabs him at a later date, I was geared to see that  play out in DA2; Anora trying to start a civil war to get throne.. oh well another great story line chance missed.

[Gold Dragon]

In the Dark Future, Ferelden Forces dash themselves against Castle Redcliffe 3 times, and Inquisition once.  According to a journal codex entry.

[Cantina]

 

I played with a king Alistair in DAI and his cameo is disappointing,what about the GW cameo?

Didn't play with it,maybe is better? i Had stroud in my game.

 

 

Maybe if you cross your fingers in DA4, Alistair comes back weighing much more then he did and is in the process of acquiring a second wife (if your Warden married him). In doing so Alistair will declare The Chantry has no place within Fereldan and is not above the King. Allowing him a divorce and free to marry who he chooses. While the female Warden (first wife) is left in exile refusing to give up her position.

 

Smell that? I think Alistair is burning someone at the stake again. Better get the marshmallows.

 

[Dai Grepher]

I like this idea far more than I should.

 

You should... like it more than you should. It's mostly your idea.

 

Drunken Alistair should have a sword and Duncan's shield but with a blue cartoony fish painted over the griffons. He should have a case of liquor with him at all times, and sometimes a mount standing off to the side depending on the map. Also, different mount for different areas. He won't wear Grey Warden armor. He will wear bum clothing with some parts of armor in the Ferelden style. He will also have the fishing pole (found in Descent). He will also turn into a blue ring ally in certain cases if there are enemies near his area. He will drink and drink and drink "health potions" and never fall in battle. His fighting style will be sloppy and wild, yet smooth and graceful. His topic of conversation will fit the map. In Val Royeaux he will remark on the fashion, and the Inquisitor will ask how he got in looking like a bum, and he will sarcastically reply that he entered the city wearing a dress and dancing the Remigold and blended right in, HA! In Emprise du Lion he will be ice fishing and reference how cold it is and how he's freezing his Soldier's Peak off. He'll also tell you to be careful those dragons don't swoop down upon you, because you know what they say about swooping. And in Descent he will be in the spot where you find the fishing pole, and the Inquisitor will ask what he's doing down here. And he'll say, "sitting". And the Inquisitor will say, "ha ha very funny", and Drunken Alistair will say, "thank you". Then you'll ask how he got down here, and he'll sarcastically mock says, "yes, how does a Grey Warden find his way into the Deep Roads? Tis a mystery for the ages." And you'll say it's just strange to see him down there, and he'll say "a Grey Warden in the Deep Roads is the least thing find you'll strange down here."

 

 

...

 

He's drunk after all.

[Aren]

Maybe if you cross your fingers in DA4, Alistair comes back weighing much more then he did and is in the process of acquiring a second wife (if your Warden married him). In doing so Alistair will declare The Chantry has no place within Fereldan and is not above the King. Allowing him a divorce and free to marry who he chooses. While the female Warden (first wife) is left in exile refusing to give up her position.

 

Smell that? I think Alistair is burning someone at the stake again. Better get the marshmallows.

 

Do I heard this story somewhere?

It was the one of  Henry the eighth, more or less

[Cantina]

 

Do I heard this story somewhere?

It was the one of  Henry the eighth, more or less

 

 

kewpie doll for you.

 

Yes. It was indeed part of Henry the VIII life.

[Xetykins]

Maybe if you cross your fingers in DA4, Alistair comes back weighing much more then he did and is in the process of acquiring a second wife (if your Warden married him). In doing so Alistair will declare The Chantry has no place within Fereldan and is not above the King. Allowing him a divorce and free to marry who he chooses. While the female Warden (first wife) is left in exile refusing to give up her position.
 
Smell that? I think Alistair is burning someone at the stake again. Better get the marshmallows.
 

I hate you

[SoSolaris]

I prefer King Alistair, but wished the hardened version of him had affected his DAI dialogue. DAO implies a hardened Alistair becomes a very good monarch, but in DAI he feels late to react and yet at the same time quick to judge. Plus married to Anora they are supposed to be monarchs to be reckoned with, even being "lowly" Fereldens. Oh well. Was neat to see him again never the less.

King Alistair also means I didn't have to choose him or Hawke. Sorry Stroud. However I have played Warden Alistair and that has a lot more meat to it than his two second cameo as King, if you have no attachment to Hawke then I recommend Warden Alistair.

Yeah I do wish more could have been done with his cameo as king. But eh, I always thought being a Warden suited him better in previous games anyway. That is, until the Fade quest in this game.... I guess I'm too attached to my Hawke haha

[GoldenGail3]

Maybe if you cross your fingers in DA4, Alistair comes back weighing much more then he did and is in the process of acquiring a second wife (if your Warden married him). In doing so Alistair will declare The Chantry has no place within Fereldan and is not above the King. Allowing him a divorce and free to marry who he chooses. While the female Warden (first wife) is left in exile refusing to give up her position.
 
Smell that? I think Alistair is burning someone at the stake again. Better get the marshmallows.
 

I image that Fergus wouldn't like that.

[RoseLawliet]

Maybe if you cross your fingers in DA4, Alistair comes back weighing much more then he did and is in the process of acquiring a second wife (if your Warden married him). In doing so Alistair will declare The Chantry has no place within Fereldan and is not above the King. Allowing him a divorce and free to marry who he chooses. While the female Warden (first wife) is left in exile refusing to give up her position.

 

Smell that? I think Alistair is burning someone at the stake again. Better get the marshmallows.

 

 

Honestly, I'd love to see that simply for the Chantry's reaction.

[Qun00]

Honestly only way to grasp his personality in this game is to read the war table mission related to him.
During the mages quest the player cannot understand if he is changed since that was a critical situation,in which he had to act like that.

Just take your time and read the notes from this war table mission.
http://dragonage.wik...te_Negotiations

Alistair still is completely clueless when it comes to politics. I love the guy to death, but this lack of growth makes me question if there is any point in putting him on the throne.

[Dai Grepher]

Alistair certainly lacks a commanding presence presence.

[Qis]

I was hoping he's like this when The Inquisitor meet him...

 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

*Only a Prince Consort* Coughs. I pefer Queen Consort to be honest, at least I get to be called "My Queen" instead of "My prince". And it's even proven if you kept Leliana as your Queens mistress, she's delcared the mistress of the Queen of Ferelden. While the Prince Consort is called Prince Consort.

That's utterly ridiculous for several reasons.
Let's just start by saying that the titles of prince and king while referenced as consort are interchangeable and the games make this clear several times during
the course of the franchise by addressing the male warden with both titles.
The situation is no different from the queen consort.
However this is kind of a moot point for me as i do not care about those things in the comparision but more about the things that really matters which are the replayability value across DAO and DAI as well as
the inherent advantages that the king consort has over the queen consort and which made it a better choice than queen consort.


First in order to unlock the queen ending you are locked with one path and with no possibility of permutations which kill the replayability of the game for that character and also you have to sent your LI to bed another woman(and never met his son) and good luck with that.



The king consort ending instead can happen in every possibile way and has much more replayability value from both DAO and DAI.

-It can happen if you recruit Loghain and reedem him

-It can happen if you sacrifice Alistair

-It can happen if you do the DR with the immense advantage of doing It with the warden.

-You can follow Morrigan in Wh and decide if the child is Human or OGB based on your DAO decision.

-In DAI you can unlock both the Altar of Mythal scene or the fade scene.

-Kieran can be both human or OGB and know and live with his father

This is what it matters replayability as well as not be forced by using someone else against their wish for the DR.

In short queen consort is boring because It does not have replayability value and can't be even remotly compare with the male counterpart.
Mind this is not my opinion those are just the rules of the game

[Dai Grepher]

That's utterly ridiculous for several reasons.
Let's just start by saying that the titles of prince and king while referenced as consort are interchangeable and the games make this clear several times during
the course of the franchise by addressing the male warden with both titles.
The situation is no different from the queen consort.
However this is kind of a moot point for me as i do not care about those things in the comparision but more about the things that really matters which are the replayability value across DAO and DAI as well as
the inherent advantages that the king consort has over the queen consort and which made it a better choice than queen consort.


First in order to unlock the queen ending you are locked with one path and with no possibility of permutations which kill the replayability of the game for that character and also you have to sent your LI to bed another woman(and never met his son) and good luck with that.



The king consort ending instead can happen in every possibile way and has much more replayability value from both DAO and DAI.

-It can happen if you recruit Loghain and reedem him

-It can happen if you sacrifice Alistair

-It can happen if you do the DR with the immense advantage of doing It with the warden.

-You can follow Morrigan in Wh and decide if the child is Human or OGB based on your DAO decision.

-In DAI you can unlock both the Altar of Mythal scene or the fade scene.

-Kieran can be both human or OGB and know and live with his father

This is what it matters replayability as well as not be forced by using someone else against their wish for the DR.

In short queen consort is boring because It does not have replayability value and can't be even remotly compare with the male counterpart.
Mind this is not my opinion those are just the rules of the game

 

OR, BioWare used consort in error, as well as failed to understand the difference between prince and king.

 

But I agree with the rest of your post. Male human noble is the better choice for gameplay reasons. Various options for him. Only one for a female who wants to live and be queen, and a bad one at that.
 

[GoldenGail3]

That's utterly ridiculous for several reasons.
Let's just start by saying that the titles of prince and king while referenced as consort are interchangeable and the games make this clear several times during
the course of the franchise by addressing the male warden with both titles.
The situation is no different from the queen consort.
However this is kind of a moot point for me as i do not care about those things in the comparision but more about the things that really matters which are the replayability value across DAO and DAI as well as
the inherent advantages that the king consort has over the queen consort and which made it a better choice than queen consort.


First in order to unlock the queen ending you are locked with one path and with no possibility of permutations which kill the replayability of the game for that character and also you have to sent your LI to bed another woman(and never met his son) and good luck with that.



The king consort ending instead can happen in every possibile way and has much more replayability value from both DAO and DAI.

-It can happen if you recruit Loghain and reedem him

-It can happen if you sacrifice Alistair

-It can happen if you do the DR with the immense advantage of doing It with the warden.

-You can follow Morrigan in Wh and decide if the child is Human or OGB based on your DAO decision.

-In DAI you can unlock both the Altar of Mythal scene or the fade scene.

-Kieran can be both human or OGB and know and live with his father

This is what it matters replayability as well as not be forced by using someone else against their wish for the DR.

In short queen consort is boring because It does not have replayability value and can't be even remotly compare with the male counterpart.
Mind this is not my opinion those are just the rules of the game

 

Anora refers to the Prince Consort as Prince Consort as does the codexs, and yes, i know there interchangeable but there is a difference between the two - The Prince Consort is someone that can't take control of the kingdom once Anora dies, so you'll go back to being nobody. While the Queen Consort is someone like Anora (who i assume was a Queen Consort during Cailan's reign, unless i'm proven otherwise) and they'll become Queen Regent once the king is dead. And we all have our opinions btw.

 

 

OR, BioWare used consort in error, as well as failed to understand the difference between prince and king.

 

But I agree with the rest of your post. Male human noble is the better choice for gameplay reasons. Various options for him. Only one for a female who wants to live and be queen, and a bad one at that.
 

You do realize i have a Prince Consort, right? I like them as well, but my preference swings towards female human nobles because i myself am female. Lol. And there both equally bad (or mine is.. He's a horrific Prince Consort). He ran off with Morrigan, leaving the kingdom of Ferelden to his wife while he disappeared with Morrigan. 

[Dai Grepher]

Anora refers to the Prince Consort as Prince Consort as does the codexs, and yes, i know there interchangeable but there is a difference between the two - The Prince Consort is someone that can't take control of the kingdom once Anora dies, so you'll go back to being nobody. While the Queen Consort is someone like Anora (who i assume was a Queen Consort during Cailan's reign, unless i'm proven otherwise) and they'll become Queen Regent once the king is dead. And we all have our opinions btw.

 

 

You do realize i have a Prince Consort, right? I like them as well, but my preference swings towards female human nobles because i myself am female. Lol. And there both equally bad (or mine is.. He's a horrific Prince Consort). He ran off with Morrigan, leaving the kingdom of Ferelden to his wife while he disappeared with Morrigan. 

 

Anora also refers to him as "king". So clearly the writers or programmers messed up. And the whole point of Anora trying to call you prince-consort was her attempt at claiming more authority than you, when in fact you were joint-rulers who were jointly elected.

 

Legally the higher ranking teyrn is to take control of the country until a new monarch is elected by the banns. Anora assumes power, and names Loghain (a teyrn) regent. The result was that half the Bannorn refused to recognize his authority. Anora may have been able to act as regent, assuming all other teyrns were dead or otherwise unable to function in the role. However, this would only be temporary until the banns elect a new monarch.

 

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I was addressing a different post.

[Hazegurl]

Anora refers to the Prince Consort as Prince Consort as does the codexs, and yes, i know there interchangeable but there is a difference between the two - The Prince Consort is someone that can't take control of the kingdom once Anora dies, so you'll go back to being nobody. While the Queen Consort is someone like Anora (who i assume was a Queen Consort during Cailan's reign, unless i'm proven otherwise) and they'll become Queen Regent once the king is dead. And we all have our opinions btw.

 

 

You do realize i have a Prince Consort, right? I like them as well, but my preference swings towards female human nobles because i myself am female. Lol. And there both equally bad (or mine is.. He's a horrific Prince Consort). He ran off with Morrigan, leaving the kingdom of Ferelden to his wife while he disappeared with Morrigan. 

The HM HoF has been referred to as both King Consort and Prince Consort.  And he does rule jointly with Anora just as the HF HoF rules jointly with Alistair.  After all, it's the HM and Anora who ushers in a Golden Age. The reason the HM HoF is called "Prince Consort" (stressed more by Anora than anyone else) is because if he held the title of King he would out rank her because the title King holds more weight. The title of Queen Consort holds no such weight. So it's safe to refer to the HF Warden as Queen as referring to her as a Princess or Princess Consort would be odd and more of a title held for a daughter of a King rather than a wife.   However, neither Warden would have the right to just rule if Alistair or Anora dies. This is why Anora could lose her position at the landsmeet so quickly. It doesn't matter if she was married to King Cailan. It only matters if the nobles accept her as monarch after his death. 

 

With that said. It's been referenced in game more than once, in DA2 and Inquisition, that the nobles and regular folks actually consider the HM HoF to be King and the ruler of Fereldan.  So if Anora died, he would have no problems getting the other nobles to accept his rule as King.

 

IMO, I don't think the writers and programmers made a mistake.  Because technically the HM HoF is in fact a Prince Consort. However, it's the people within the story who don't view him as such.

[GoldenGail3]

The HM HoF has been referred to as both King Consort and Prince Consort.  And he does rule jointly with Anora just as the HF HoF rules jointly with Alistair.  After all, it's the HM and Anora who ushers in a Golden Age. The reason the HM HoF is called "Prince Consort" (stressed more by Anora than anyone else) is because if he held the title of King he would out rank her because the title King holds more weight. The title of Queen Consort holds no such weight. So it's safe to refer to the HF Warden as Queen as referring to her as a Princess or Princess Consort would be odd and more of a title held for a daughter of a King rather than a wife.   However, neither Warden would have the right to just rule if Alistair or Anora dies. This is why Anora could lose her position at the landsmeet so quickly. It doesn't matter if she was married to King Cailan. It only matters if the nobles accept her as monarch after his death. 
 
With that said. It's been referenced in game more than once, in DA2 and Inquisition, that the nobles and regular folks actually consider the HM HoF to be King and the ruler of Fereldan.  So if Anora died, he would have no problems getting the other nobles to accept his rule as King.
 
IMO, I don't think the writers and programmers made a mistake.  Because technically the HM HoF is in fact a Prince Consort. However, it's the people within the story who don't view him as such.

Good post.

[Dai Grepher]

The HM HoF has been referred to as both King Consort and Prince Consort.  And he does rule jointly with Anora just as the HF HoF rules jointly with Alistair.  After all, it's the HM and Anora who ushers in a Golden Age. The reason the HM HoF is called "Prince Consort" (stressed more by Anora than anyone else) is because if he held the title of King he would out rank her because the title King holds more weight. The title of Queen Consort holds no such weight. So it's safe to refer to the HF Warden as Queen as referring to her as a Princess or Princess Consort would be odd and more of a title held for a daughter of a King rather than a wife.   However, neither Warden would have the right to just rule if Alistair or Anora dies. This is why Anora could lose her position at the landsmeet so quickly. It doesn't matter if she was married to King Cailan. It only matters if the nobles accept her as monarch after his death. 

 

With that said. It's been referenced in game more than once, in DA2 and Inquisition, that the nobles and regular folks actually consider the HM HoF to be King and the ruler of Fereldan.  So if Anora died, he would have no problems getting the other nobles to accept his rule as King.

 

IMO, I don't think the writers and programmers made a mistake.  Because technically the HM HoF is in fact a Prince Consort. However, it's the people within the story who don't view him as such.

 

It's tough to figure out where you stand, but I think we agree overall. My position is this:

 

Cailan was elected to be king. Some wanted Bryce to be king but either he didn't want to, or not enough people wanted it, or both. So after Cailan was crowned, he married Anora. She became Queen-Consort because she was not elected to rule, she married the ruler.

 

So, when Cailan died and left no heirs to fill in for him, Loghain tried to claim the crown for himself using his own title of teyrn as a legal argument. Anora also tried to use her title as Queen-Consort, as well as her five years of experience as Cailan's administrator to unite the banns. Both of these attempts failed and the banns rejected Loghain, leading to civil war.

 

Legally speaking, it was the Teyrn of Highever who should have been regent. With Bryce and Eleanor dead, the title should pass to one of the surviving Couslands. If Bryce doesn't name Fergus in your conversation in the larder, then it's up in the air. With Fergus missing in action, it leaves the human noble to take on the title by default, as he or she is the most capable of fulfilling the duties. By law this Cousland teyrn is regent until a Landsmeet can be called to settle the matter of who shall rule Ferelden.

 

Finally, at the Landsmeet, the male Cousland can win the duel and declare joint rule. He is thus elected king, and Anora is elected queen. They rule jointly. Neither is a consort, as both were elected jointly. If the Hero dies, then Anora is still a monarch. If Anora dies first, then the Hero is still a monarch. It is only when they both die, or the banns want to replace the surviving one or both of them that a new ruler can be crowned.

 

Basically, a prince-consort or king-consort is a man with no legal power who is married to the Queen. The Hero is the official King. So when BioWare writes lines about the "prince-consort" it really irritates me. They clearly made a mistake in how to recognize him. The Landsmeet elected him as their King and Anora their Queen. So that is what all the codices and dialogues should reflect. I agree that there are those in all three games that refer to the Hero as the ruler or king, but it shows that some writers are working with correct information and others are not.

[Hazegurl]

Legally speaking, it was the Teyrn of Highever who should have been regent. With Bryce and Eleanor dead, the title should pass to one of the surviving Couslands. If Bryce doesn't name Fergus in your conversation in the larder, then it's up in the air. With Fergus missing in action, it leaves the human noble to take on the title by default, as he or she is the most capable of fulfilling the duties. By law this Cousland teyrn is regent until a Landsmeet can be called to settle the matter of who shall rule Ferelden.

 

Finally, at the Landsmeet, the male Cousland can win the duel and declare joint rule. He is thus elected king, and Anora is elected queen. They rule jointly. Neither is a consort, as both were elected jointly.

 

Basically, a prince-consort or king-consort is a man with no legal power who is married to the Queen. The Hero is the official King. So when BioWare writes lines about the "prince-consort" it really irritates me. They clearly made a mistake in how to recognize him. The Landsmeet elected him as their King and Anora their Queen. So that is what all the codices and dialogues should reflect. I agree that there are those in all three games that refer to the Hero as the ruler or king, but it shows that some writers are working with correct information and others are not.

I highlighted the parts I have a problem with, because we sort of agree except for these parts, I think.  Bryce most likely would have been named Regent over Loghain.  However, Loghain actually had the right to claim the seat of Regent over The Warden. Actually he has far more of a claim over it than the Warden because he's an official Teryn whereas the Warden is a maybe, probably, sort of Teryn.  However, the issues Loghain had with gaining support proved that just calling yourself Regent in a system where you're expected to curry favor and be liked isn't going to cut it.  Fereldan is not really a hierarchy system where everything, including regency is just passed to the Warden simply because nobles liked Bryce enough to want him as King.  Both Loghain and Bryce were Teryns and therefore equal in power to claim the seat. In other words, the regent title for the Hero was not a sure thing.  If the Warden had declared himself Regent with nothing to show for it, I'm sure the Banns would have taken issue with that as well.

 

If the Blight had never happened and by some strange twist of fate, the Couslands ended up dead and missing all but the Hero, and Cailan ended up dead at the same time, there would most likely be a landsmeet where Loghain and the Hero could attend to decide who would take up the Regency until a monarch is chosen.  And I think people would have chosen Loghain over a brand new Teryn. But that's my personal opinion.

 

At the Landsmeet, the Hero is not elected as an official King in the same way Cailan was King.  Anora is elected as the monarch with the Hero's support and the marriage cements that support and lends weight behind Anora. Yes, you rule jointly but you are legally in the position Anora was in when she was married to Cailan.  There is nothing that needed to be corrected as the hero is "Prince-Consort or King-Consort" not "King Cousland of Fereldan"

 

It was Daivd Gaider who wrote the ending slides where the Hero is named Prince Consort. Just a heads up.

 

However, in the eyes of nobles and regular people in Thedas, he is considered the ruling King of Fereldan. So......if Prince/King Consort Cousland ever decided he wanted to officially become King Cousland. He would pretty much have to get rid of Anora, take a new wife to sever ties with Anora completely, garner the support of the Banns et al, and be elected Monarch officially. Meaning that there would have to be some sort of power struggle.

[Dai Grepher]

I highlighted the parts I have a problem with, because we sort of agree except for these parts, I think.  Bryce most likely would have been named Regent over Loghain.  However, Loghain actually had the right to claim the seat of Regent over The Warden. Actually he has far more of a claim over it than the Warden because he's an official Teryn whereas the Warden is a maybe, probably, sort of Teryn.  However, the issues Loghain had with gaining support proved that just calling yourself Regent in a system where you're expected to curry favor and be liked isn't going to cut it.  Fereldan is not really a hierarchy system where everything, including regency is just passed to the Warden simply because nobles liked Bryce enough to want him as King.  Both Loghain and Bryce were Teryns and therefore equal in power to claim the seat. In other words, the regent title for the Hero was not a sure thing.  If the Warden had declared himself Regent with nothing to show for it, I'm sure the Banns would have taken issue with that as well.

 

If the Blight had never happened and by some strange twist of fate, the Couslands ended up dead and missing all but the Hero, and Cailan ended up dead at the same time, there would most likely be a landsmeet where Loghain and the Hero could attend to decide who would take up the Regency until a monarch is chosen.  And I think people would have chosen Loghain over a brand new Teryn. But that's my personal opinion.

 

At the Landsmeet, the Hero is not elected as an official King in the same way Cailan was King.  Anora is elected as the monarch with the Hero's support and the marriage cements that support and lends weight behind Anora. Yes, you rule jointly but you are legally in the position Anora was in when she was married to Cailan.  There is nothing that needed to be corrected as the hero is "Prince-Consort or King-Consort" not "King Cousland of Fereldan"

 

It was Daivd Gaider who wrote the ending slides where the Hero is named Prince Consort. Just a heads up.

 

However, in the eyes of nobles and regular people in Thedas, he is considered the ruling King of Fereldan. So......if Prince/King Consort Cousland ever decided he wanted to officially become King Cousland. He would pretty much have to get rid of Anora, take a new wife to sever ties with Anora completely, garner the support of the Banns et al, and be elected Monarch officially. Meaning that there would have to be some sort of power struggle.

 

I'll do the same, bold the parts I disagree with. First, "The Warden" could mean anyone. I think it would be less confusing to just use "Human Noble" or "HN". Ignoring that Loghain committed treason (since this isn't immediately proven to the banns), his right to the regency is superseded by the higher ranking teyrn. If you ask Bryce if Fergus is the new teyrn, he will say yes. So I do believe Bryce and Eleanor's deaths cause the title to officially pass to one of the Cousland siblings (or Fergus if he is named). As long as a Cousland lives, the title passes to the one who survives. Also, I believe this is why Howe intended to kill all the Couslands, including Oren. It's like what Thom Rainier was ordered to do. Leave no heirs. And this was so Loghian would be the only remaining teyrn in Ferelden.

 

Loghain may have been able to pull it off, had he not withdrawn from Ostagar without even an attempt to rescue the King. What caused the banns to reject him was the report that he abandoned the King, or worse, the rumor that he orchestrated his demise.

 

I agree that the regency is not automatically passed to the HN, but that is the legal process in Ferelden. Teyrns are above the banns. They are war leaders. They are indeed tasked with security and administration of their protected bannorns, and in the event the King dies, the highest ranking teyrn is legally supposed to act as regent until a Landsmeet can be called and a new monarch elected. Still, I realize there must be some recognition of titles that must necessarily take place. Before Lothering, no one even knew that the youngest Cousland survived. So once the HN is recognized as surviving, then legally the regency should fall to him since he is Teyrn by default (Fergus is not known to be alive). Banns should start allying with him.

 

The Teyrn of Highever is a higher rank than the Teyrn of Gwaren. The codex on Highever states this, and it states that the Couslands are the second most powerful family in Ferelden, with the King's being first.

 

I agree that the regency was not a sure thing, but not because the HN did not deserve it by law. The recognition was prevented because of the circumstances. The HN was not known to have survived, Highever was in disarray, Loghain was claiming the regency, Rendon was trying to claim the title of Teyrn of Highever (though the codex states this was in question in the HN playthrough), and the banns were engaged in civil war with Loghain and his allies.

 

Upon seeing the Cousland alive, the banns should uphold their oaths of fealty to the Cousland family. Also, there was the Cousland Family Sword and Shield of Highever. By the time the Landsmeet takes place this is all rather irrelevant, as they are electing the next monarch. So the question of regency is never even addressed.

 

I don't think there would be a Landsmeet to choose the regent. I think the Seneschal of Denerim probably would have contacted the Cousland and requested that he take on the role until the Landsmeet is called to elect the next monarch. If no reply is made, then the Teyrn of Gwaren would be contacted.

 

For me it comes down to this. The Landsmeet sides with the Wardens (the HN in essence). Loghain refuses to obey their decision. The HN suggests a duel. The banns agree to abide by the outcome. The HN wins. The HN states who shall rule. There are two different ways to phrase it depending if Loghain is alive or dead, but both phrases state that the Coulsand will rule Ferelden jointly with Anora and they will marry. And this is what the banns agree to. So both were elected simultaneously by the HN's word. This is different from what Anora was to Cailan who was elected solely. She only administered because Cailan delegated power to her. He could revoke it at any time, and was indeed planning to divorce her eventually. The HN's power cannot be revoked by Anora.

 

That's fine. I hold the canon above what David Gaider may write in error. He was not the only writer (even if he was the lead at the time), and he also said the epilogues were just made to give some feeling of closure to the story. They never imagined that the series would take off into something bigger, and many epilogue slides are now non-canon. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but it is clear that not all the writers were on the same page regarding the HN's title if he declares joint-rule, and this continued even into Inquisition.

 

I think he already is the King officially. When Anora speaks to you after the Landsmeet, she mentions that she will announce the engagement after the coronation ceremony, provided the HN is still interested. One option is to ask if you could get out of it if you were no longer interested. Anora says that short of dying against the archdemon, probably not. I think this means that the HN cannot get out of the marriage because the banns agreed to joint-rule between a married king and queen. However, yet another response to her is to say that you're interested if it gets you on the throne. Now, she tries to shoot you down immediately, but I don't believe this would be a dialogue option if it weren't the case. Talking to her at the post-coronation ceremony gives the option to say that you look forward to being king. She again tries to shoot you down, calling you prince-consort, but then says the title is perhaps a technicality. She then suggests they speak more later about the role he wishes to play. So even according to Anora the prince-consort title is a ruse. The HN is King, but Anora doesn't want to have to struggle to maintain her authority. I don't blame her for her attitude. She was betrayed by her last husband and then even by her own father. Also, she introduces the HN to those gathered as one who "will soon be your king".

 

So I think we agree that he's a joint-ruler, we just differ on his official title. But then again, so do BioWare's writers.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

However, in the eyes of nobles and regular people in Thedas, he is considered the ruling King of Fereldan. So......if Prince/King Consort Cousland ever decided he wanted to officially become King Cousland. He would pretty much have to get rid of Anora, take a new wife to sever ties with Anora completely, garner the support of the Banns et al, and be elected Monarch officially. Meaning that there would have to be some sort of power struggle.

This seems to be a more intreasting plot than the one we had from DAI.
Anyway imho the position of consort is perfect because it leaves less responsability and this mean more time for the warden to do what they want, i say leave to Anora the majority of the job she is even pretty good at it.

[In Exile]

The HM HoF has been referred to as both King Consort and Prince Consort.  And he does rule jointly with Anora just as the HF HoF rules jointly with Alistair.  After all, it's the HM and Anora who ushers in a Golden Age. The reason the HM HoF is called "Prince Consort" (stressed more by Anora than anyone else) is because if he held the title of King he would out rank her because the title King holds more weight. The title of Queen Consort holds no such weight. So it's safe to refer to the HF Warden as Queen as referring to her as a Princess or Princess Consort would be odd and more of a title held for a daughter of a King rather than a wife.   However, neither Warden would have the right to just rule if Alistair or Anora dies. This is why Anora could lose her position at the landsmeet so quickly. It doesn't matter if she was married to King Cailan. It only matters if the nobles accept her as monarch after his death. 

 

With that said. It's been referenced in game more than once, in DA2 and Inquisition, that the nobles and regular folks actually consider the HM HoF to be King and the ruler of Fereldan.  So if Anora died, he would have no problems getting the other nobles to accept his rule as King.

 

IMO, I don't think the writers and programmers made a mistake.  Because technically the HM HoF is in fact a Prince Consort. However, it's the people within the story who don't view him as such.

 

Is there any indication whatsoever as to joint rule in-game, not in the codex? All that I recall in-game is that the Landsmeet crowns Anora, and that she insists that you will be second fiddle and subordinate to her. I'm talking about DA:O. 

[Hazegurl]

Is there any indication whatsoever as to joint rule in-game, not in the codex? All that I recall in-game is that the Landsmeet crowns Anora, and that she insists that you will be second fiddle and subordinate to her. I'm talking about DA:O. 

There isn't much in game in DAO except the ending slides which states that they could either vie for power or usher in a Golden Age. This seems to suggests that for this to happen both parties would be active in ruling. Anora also made the Warden the general of her armies. So the Warden has military power.  Then Anora let it slip when she announced the Warden as Fereldan's King. In awakening Anora tells the Warden that she regrets pulling him away from Court (probably a lie), then Loghain mentions that Anora finally got him away from Court. And when you consider the fact that he is a Tyerin and is already in good graces with most of the Banns (depending on if he won the Landsmeet in the dialogue) it would be extremely difficult for Anora to just brush aside his opinions.

 

This seems to be a more intreasting plot than the one we had from DAI.
Anyway imho the position of consort is perfect because it leaves less responsability and this mean more time for the warden to do what they want, i say leave to Anora the majority of the job she is even pretty good at it.

 

A royal power struggle would have been pretty awesome.  Especially for the Warden that did the dark ritual and therefore has an heir. I would imagine that it would be pretty easy to oust Anora since her being barren seems to be a big negative with the nobility. I sort of headcanon that my Warden is curing the taint so he could secure the throne for his mage kid. Why not? better than sitting in some parallel mirror world forever. lol!