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[Babelas]

I want the last 3 minutes of my life back after viewing this thread.

[Navoletti]

i think if dragon age use other new protagonist in the next game,the franchise lose the essence...now with three different protagonist the franchise have a very danger of finish same of resident evil of capcom..with much plotholes...i think they need use the most favourite carácter of three...the hero of ferelden/warden orlesian with the future protagonist warranty a epic and nostalgic impact in the people.

 

please bioware remember my words...

[Sunnie]

Forgettable.

 

Wait, what was this thread about?

[Donk]

i think if dragon age use other new protagonist in the next game,the franchise lose the essence...now with three different protagonist the franchise have a very danger of finish same of resident evil of capcom..with much plotholes...i think they need use the most favourite carácter of three...the hero of ferelden/warden orlesian with the future protagonist warranty a epic and nostalgic impact in the people.

 

please bioware remember my words...

 

 

There is no better way to express it right now.

[Ariella]

The Orlesian Warden favored over ANY of the other PCs?

The Orlesian warden has less character development than a Skyrim PC, and that says something. The OW is a placeholder, nothing more and using the the character for a pc would do nothing for the 'essence' of the game considering the OW is even farther removed than the HoF from the current storyline.

The war table mission for the HoF was fan service, nothing more. It means jack.

[AresKeith]

The Orlesian Warden is on the same level as the Warden who asked for Stroud/Alistar/Loghain if you left him in the fade

[Nixou]

The Orlesian warden has less character development than a Skyrim PC, and that says something. The OW is a placeholder, nothing more and using the the character for a pc would do nothing for the 'essence' of the game considering the OW is even farther removed than the HoF from the current storyline.

 

 

Yes, and I for one have always thought that it was a mistake to make the HoF Awakening's intended protagonist and the Orlesian Warden the substitute character instead of the other way around.

 

 

 

The war table mission for the HoF was fan service, nothing more. It means jack. 

 

 

It is indeed fan service...

Unfortunately it's fanservice with rather large implications: to "Cure the Calling" mean either finding a safe way to entirely remove the Taint from somebody or finding a way to make someone completely immune (instead of merely partially as the Joining does) of the Taint's deleterious effects.

Given that everything points toward the Taint being the root cause of everything that went wrong in Thedas (if Thedas is the series protagonist, then the Taint is quite obviously its villain), any attempt to nullify it is very relevant to the story.

 

Which leads back to the Writers bad habit concerning the Warden: they don't want to bring this character back, for perfectly understandable reasons, yet they can't refrain themselves from starting new important plot threads that involve this character.

That's why I said that the writers should just have sent the Warden Commander of Ferelden deep in the Deep Roads on some Darkspawn extermination job instead of making up this Cure Quest, and also why I hope the next Dragon Age will be as little Wardeny as possible, so they aren't tempted to come up with another convoluted and potentially world-shaking excuse to keep the Warden offscreen.

[dragonflight288]

I want the last 3 minutes of my life back after viewing this thread.

 

Denied. 

 

[Qun00]

@ Nixou

The next DA won't be wardeny. It's gonna be elfy.

The final DA game definitely will revolve around the 6th Blight, though.

[Sunnie]

There's 2 more OG dragons still alive, why end the series leaving one on the table? I'm not so sure we as players will ever see another "blight", we will likely end the possibility of the last two ever happening.

[Nixou]

@ Nixou

The next DA won't be wardeny. It's gonna be elfy.

The final DA game definitely will revolve around the 6th Blight, though.

 

If I were a beatingbetting man, I'd say that the next DA will mostly be Tevintery until Solas pull a Ganon and hijack the final act, the penultimate game will be about the 6th Blight and the final game of the series will be about the origin of the Taint and how to get rid of it for good.

[Pensieve]

I always wonder why people bother to play games they don't like. I wonder even more why people then go online to complain about a game they don't like to people they don't know and that don't care that you don't like this game. Seriously, if it's not your game, play something else. Do something with your life.

[Ariella]

If I were a beating man, I'd say that the next DA will mostly be Tevintery until Solas pull a Ganon and hijack the final act, the penultimate game will be about the 6th Blight and the final game of the series will be about the origin of the Taint and how to get rid of it for good.

 

I think we're going to find out more about the origins of the Blight well before another Archdemon rises. In fact, since old is new again, I have a feeling we may end up dealing with her Old Godness, Razikale, directly considering all the references to her we found in JoH. 

 

Couple of interesting points we already have been shown:

 

Morrigan mentioned in DAO that the demon corruption in the Circle tower looks like Blight taint.

 

Seekers seem to be resistant to red lyrium. Most likely a side effect of their vigil.

 

If the Maker didn't cast them down, the Blight was already in the City, and the Old Gods weren't there. Who called to magisters? Who wanted to expose them to the taint?

 

If the Old Gods weren't cast down, why are the darkspawn driven to find them? If not a punishment (as I mentioned before) it may be an attack. 

 

Just a few odds and ends.

[Andres Hendrix]

I think we're going to find out more about the origins of the Blight well before another Archdemon rises. In fact, since old is new again, I have a feeling we may end up dealing with her Old Godness, Razikale, directly considering all the references to her we found in JoH. 

 

Couple of interesting points we already have been shown:

 

Morrigan mentioned in DAO that the demon corruption in the Circle tower looks like Blight taint.

 

Seekers seem to be resistant to red lyrium. Most likely a side effect of their vigil.

 

If the Maker didn't cast them down, the Blight was already in the City, and the Old Gods weren't there. Who called to magisters? Who wanted to expose them to the taint?

 

If the Old Gods weren't cast down, why are the darkspawn driven to find them? If not a punishment (as I mentioned before) it may be an attack. 

 

Just a few odds and ends.

The Maker cannot be a part of it, because Bioware once said that they would never say if the Maker exists or not. The taint et al, therefore needs another explanation. Also, I don't think anyone called to the magisters, as far as I know they gained a great deal of magical power and wanted to break into the fade to enter the Black City due to their drive for discovery (sort of like wanting to go to the moon). This was spured on by religous fervor involving their 'old gods', which could have been pure delusion. As for the Darkspawn, they are probably the product of a powerful being like Solas, they could be a defense mechanism, or even a magical mistake that was locked away in the fade. They might also have something to do with the titans, the regular lyrium titans had the messed up Dwarves, maybe a red lyrium titan has the Darkspawn?

[Ariella]

The Maker cannot be a part of it, because Bioware once said that they would never say if the Maker exists or not. The taint et al, therefore needs another explanation. Also, I don't think anyone called to the magisters, as far as I know they gained a great deal of magical power and wanted to break into the fade to enter the Black City due to their drive for discovery (sort of like wanting to go to the moon). This was spured on by religous fervor involving their 'old gods', which could have been pure delusion. As for the Darkspawn, they are probably the product of a powerful being like Solas, they could be a defense mechanism, or even a magical mistake that was locked away in the fade. They might also have something to do with the titans, the regular lyrium titans had the messed up Dwarves, maybe a red lyrium titan has the Darkspawn?

 

Actually the Magisters were whispered to, and told how to break the Veil in order to enter the Black City. From the Claw of Dumat statue in the Fade at Adamant:

 

Master unveiled a new altar. It stands higher than a man, like a great statue, and great spikes jut out from its length, hungry for blood. Master calls it "the Claw of Dumat" and says that the altar will help bring Tevinter to glory. I praised it, as was expected, and Master smiled. It was good to see him smile again. He has been fearful of late, vexed by the loss of followers. He has met with the other priests, and in secret, I have heard them discussing ways to return the people of Tevinter to the ways of the Old Gods, as is only just.

 

He spoke to me later in the day, and asked that I call him Corypheus, as it was the name he would take for himself after a ritual. Master - now Corypheus - told me that my people, the elves of old, were tied to the Fade, and that in order to carry out the will of Dumat, he would need to call upon the magic that lives in our blood.

 

Corypheus told me to gather all of the elven servants and bring them to the western hall of our home at midnight. That is the hall where the Claw of Dumat is now kept. There are shackles across the top of the great altar, and pools lined with runes beneath the claws.

 

I have sent my wife and children away, but have not warned the others. A few I may save. If I tried to save us all, we would only be killed in some other way, and others would die in our place.

 

Master once laughed and joked. He could be stern, but he was not a cruel man. The weakening of the temples brought fear into his heart, and that fear has changed him. The cuts upon his arms are deeper and longer where he used his blood magic more often. He speaks to his wife little. He listens only to the voices in his dreams.

 

It is almost midnight. The Claw of Dumat, great and spiked and merciless, is all my mind can see. I must gather the others. My family is safe. Corypheus will take me, but not those I love.

 

- Words somehow preserved in blood at the statue's base

 

What's interesting is the Claw resembles architecture found in Bartrand's folly and Heidrun Thaig. Both of those Thaigs were built before the First Blight.

 

And I know we aren't going to get a yea or nay on the Maker, but that's not my point. Corypheus and company went to the Black City to serve the Old Gods, not raid the Maker's home. They found the Blight there already and accepted it into themselves before coming back to Thedas.

 

So, if you take a look at the text from the Claw, these guys were trying to restore the worship of the Old Gods, and something was whispering to at least Cory in his dreams telling him how. But if the OG weren't there, who called them? And if the Chant of Light is wrong about this (which it is) why do the darkspawn seek the Old Gods out if it's not in punishment?

 

The Thedosian version of a biological weapon perhaps.

[Andres Hendrix]

 

Actually the Magisters were whispered to, and told how to break the Veil in order to enter the Black City. From the Claw of Dumat statue in the Fade at Adamant:

 

Master unveiled a new altar. It stands higher than a man, like a great statue, and great spikes jut out from its length, hungry for blood. Master calls it "the Claw of Dumat" and says that the altar will help bring Tevinter to glory. I praised it, as was expected, and Master smiled. It was good to see him smile again. He has been fearful of late, vexed by the loss of followers. He has met with the other priests, and in secret, I have heard them discussing ways to return the people of Tevinter to the ways of the Old Gods, as is only just.

 

He spoke to me later in the day, and asked that I call him Corypheus, as it was the name he would take for himself after a ritual. Master - now Corypheus - told me that my people, the elves of old, were tied to the Fade, and that in order to carry out the will of Dumat, he would need to call upon the magic that lives in our blood.

 

Corypheus told me to gather all of the elven servants and bring them to the western hall of our home at midnight. That is the hall where the Claw of Dumat is now kept. There are shackles across the top of the great altar, and pools lined with runes beneath the claws.

 

I have sent my wife and children away, but have not warned the others. A few I may save. If I tried to save us all, we would only be killed in some other way, and others would die in our place.

 

Master once laughed and joked. He could be stern, but he was not a cruel man. The weakening of the temples brought fear into his heart, and that fear has changed him. The cuts upon his arms are deeper and longer where he used his blood magic more often. He speaks to his wife little. He listens only to the voices in his dreams.

 

It is almost midnight. The Claw of Dumat, great and spiked and merciless, is all my mind can see. I must gather the others. My family is safe. Corypheus will take me, but not those I love.

 

- Words somehow preserved in blood at the statue's base

 

What's interesting is the Claw resembles architecture found in Bartrand's folly and Heidrun Thaig. Both of those Thaigs were built before the First Blight.

 

And I know we aren't going to get a yea or nay on the Maker, but that's not my point. Corypheus and company went to the Black City to serve the Old Gods, not raid the Maker's home. They found the Blight there already and accepted it into themselves before coming back to Thedas.

 

So, if you take a look at the text from the Claw, these guys were trying to restore the worship of the Old Gods, and something was whispering to at least Cory in his dreams telling him how. But if the OG weren't there, who called them? And if the Chant of Light is wrong about this (which it is) why do the darkspawn seek the Old Gods out if it's not in punishment?

 

The Thedosian version of a biological weapon perhaps.

 

The so called whisperings associated with one God does not mean that there was actually something that told them how to do things. It's not enough evidence, and if it were a real case it would be consider anecdotal. I'm saying that the magisters breaking into the fade was likely a product of their ingenuity that was at its height during the golden age of Tevinter. I don't know where you get that they accepted the blight into themselves, it sounds more like the magisters broke in and the alarms went off and they got caught in the traps. If I were to guess why the Darkspawn corrupt old gods, I think the simplest answer is that it has to do with simply spreading the taint as much and as far as possible.

[Ariella]

The so called whisperings associated with one God does not mean that there was actually something that told them how to do things. It's not enough evidence, and if it were a real case it would be consider anecdotal. I'm saying that the magisters breaking into the fade was likely a product of their ingenuity that was at its height during the golden age of Tevinter. I don't know where you get that they accepted the blight into themselves, it sounds more like the magisters broke in and the alarms went off and they got caught in the traps. If I were to guess why the Darkspawn corrupt old gods, I think the simplest answer is that it has to do with simply spreading the taint as much and as far as possible.

This makes no sense in that how did the magisters know HOW? The Veil was an immutable law, and if you actually listen to Corypheus both at Haven and after he wakes in Legacy, he's a believer. He specifically says the he entered the Fade to serve the old gods but found the Blight instead and Embraced it.

Patrick Weekes has said that for Corypheus entering the City was akin to someone entering Heaven and finding it debased. Weekes also pointed out that Corypheus and Leliana have something in common: they're both burned believers.

And how would the magisters know about the power n elven blood? Or that it was connected to the Fade?

This wasn't some whim, it was a massve undertaking that violated natural laws. And this was in a time where their power was waning, so it was a terrible throw of the dice. Why take such a step?

And according to Corypheus' memory crystal:

"I recited the old verses-how easily they come- even after so long a slumber. Yet I still do not feel the presence of Dumat, no whispers, no commands, silence has fallen."

This isn't antecdotal. This is primary source. He is expecting to hear whispers or commands even now.

The Blight is a tool. What's behind it is the real threat.

And no, I don't think somethink like the darkspawn would just be created by someone like Solas.

We don't know what the Blight really is. The idol predates the First Blight and we've got two Thaigs where the architecture observably matches the Claw.

Bioware doesn't put this stuff in for yucks, anymore than Solas not leaving footprints in the snow when he talks to the IQ about the orb after the sing-a-long was a graphics mistake.

[Donk]

I always wonder why people bother to play games they don't like. I wonder even more why people then go online to complain about a game they don't like to people they don't know and that don't care that you don't like this game. Seriously, if it's not your game, play something else. Do something with your life.

Because whinging provides people with purpose they lack elsewhere.

[dragonflight288]

I always wonder why people bother to play games they don't like. I wonder even more why people then go online to complain about a game they don't like to people they don't know and that don't care that you don't like this game. Seriously, if it's not your game, play something else. Do something with your life.

 

But that requires more effort than it takes to get online and type. It requires the most dangerous of past times. THINKING!

 

[Vegeta 77]

Warden fans cry some more

[Nixou]

And how would the magisters know about the power n elven blood? Or that it was connected to the Fade? 

 

 

Probably because the Magisters are descended from ancient Elven lords who porked some of those exotic Humans who had recently migrated in their empire: the Magisters' ancestors were raised in Elven culture and some of it remained once the Elven civilization collapsed and Tevinter took its place.

[GoldenGail3]

Warden fans cry some more

I'm a Warden fan who wants my Warden retired. Left be. Not killed. Left alone, to bear Alistairs children. ;P I disagree with the OP. Of the Warden returns, they'll be killed. And no, that's so not want I want.

[Ariella]

Probably because the Magisters are descended from ancient Elven lords who porked some of those exotic Humans who had recently migrated in their empire: the Magisters' ancestors were raised in Elven culture and some of it remained once the Elven civilization collapsed and Tevinter took its place.

Not sure if you're joking or not, but if you're not, I'd like to see where you're getting it from.

Tevinter might have gotten blood magic in general from the elves, but that's most likely because they picked the corpse clean.

[Solace]

Mass Effect showed me that I dislike playing the same character in every installment of a series...so please no. In addition to that, the only thing worth bringing back from Origins is the tactics system. To be honest, the only interesting thing about the Warden's story was Duncan and Morrigan.

[Nixou]

Not sure if you're joking or not, but if you're not, I'd like to see where you're getting it from.

 

 

Ever since Origins there's been numerous hints that Tevinter was a human offshot of the Elven empire. My personal pet theory regarding Tevinter is that it was founded soon after the Veil was erected by elf-blooded human mages who mimicked their elven forefathers and eventually enslaved their elven cousins after these were done demolishing their already weakened civilization in a civil war.