Yes seems like. Trapping, killing, redeeming all may or may not be permanent solutions. As for the trapping one, there is the issue of Solas being the one who did that in the first place and thus may understand better how to get out of the trap. He is the Dread Wolf after all and seems to be good at getting himself out of tricky situations.
But then for him to get out of the trap he would have to free the Evanuris, and he is far too prideful and wrathful to do that.
But then for him to get out of the trap he would have to free the Evanuris, and he is far too prideful and wrathful to do that.
How do you know you won't risk setting the Evanuris free in your attempts to trap him?
None of us can know the outcome of our preferred method of action. All we can do is hope.
Honestly I won't mind if a redeemed Solas has a perfectly happy ending, goes on to help people, lives happily ever after with a romanced Inquisitor if they're in a relationship. I think Solas' fans and those who romanced him should have a satisfactory ending.
He'll still be crow-food in my world state, but I don't want to impose my world state on anyone who doesn't want it.
I know this is two pages back, but curious. Are there circumstances where you might change your mind?
Pitching in here, I admit for me it's extremely unlikely because Trespasser embodies so many of the biggest issues I have with Bioware's writing in general and this franchise in particular that I'm finally in "to hell with this, I'm done" territory now ... as much as I wish I wasn't. So it's not just a matter of Solas himself but also a matter of addressing all those other problems ... which at this point I do not believe they will do because they do not see them as problems. 
But if these problems were acknowledged and fixed, then I'd want and need Solas to actually show any signs whatsoever that he's actually sincerely remorseful and wants to change ... or just wants to pay the price. I can work with that, even if he goes about it in a flawed way. See: Blackwall, Ser Ruth and others. What I can't work with is the attitude that he reserves the sole right to judge who gets to be a person, that it is entirely up to his intended victims to prove they have any value and that he should maybe not wipe them all out. That, to me, is just a really vile narrative premise.
All I'm (and other Solas fans) are trying to do is get people to look at things from a different angle. I've never said that his plan is a good thing, and I find it to be terrible. But I wont dismiss him as 'just' a villain when there is so much more to his character than that.
Sure. But people who cannot see an honest reason to believe or invest in a redemption arc for Solas do not automatically do that nor are we spiteful "haters" who can't grasp complexity -- just as people who do want to redeem him are not automatically merely a gaggle of rabid fangirls who refuse to think with anything other than their pants and furiously insist that "SOLAVELLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" must be the end-all and be-all of the franchise. There are such people on both sides, absolutely, but don't speak for everyone. I have in the past opposed the notion that enjoying Solas and the unique connection between him and the Inquisitor (unique as in between protagonist and antagonist) is purely the domain of such myopic obsession and thus isn't worthy of future consideration. On the same note, it is absolutely possible to view the Solas from Inquisition as (for the most part) a truly well-written, worthwhile and intriguing character despite his flaws ... yet consider the revelations form Trespasser to be utterly beyond the pale.
None of us can know the outcome of our preferred method of action. All we can do is hope.
Honestly I won't mind if a redeemed Solas has a perfectly happy ending, goes on to help people, lives happily ever after with a romanced Inquisitor if they're in a relationship. I think Solas' fans and those who romanced him should have a satisfactory ending.
He'll still be crow-food in my world state, but I don't want to impose my world state on anyone who doesn't want it.
^^
Thank you.
I'm sorry if I came off as rude earlier. That was out of line of me. While it's not excuse I've been having a pretty bad day.
Pitching in here, I admit for me it's extremely unlikely because Trespasser embodies so many of the biggest issues I have with Bioware's writing in general and this franchise in particular that I'm finally in "to hell with this, I'm done" territory now ... as much as I wish I wasn't. So it's not just a matter of Solas himself but also a matter of addressing all those other problems ... which at this point I do not believe they will do because they do not see them as problems.
But if these problems were acknowledged and fixed, then I'd want and need Solas to actually show any signs whatsoever that he's actually sincerely remorseful and wants to change ... or just wants to pay the price. I can work with that, even if he goes about it in a flawed way. See: Blackwall, Ser Ruth and others. What I can't work with is the attitude that he reserves the sole right to judge who gets to be a person, that it is entirely up to his intended victims to prove they have any value and that he should maybe not wipe them all out. That, to me, is just a really vile narrative premise.
As far as I'm aware it's not as though he's denying anyone the right to be a person, but from his own perspective he simply doesn't see Current Thedas as "real". How can it be? It's so different from the world he left before going into Elf Stasis, so different from the world he tried to create for his people, so different from what he intended with his removal of the Evanuris. Which is why Lavellan LI scares the crap out of him (as Cole states in Banter later) "You're real, and it means everyone could be real. It changes everything, but it can't".
For Solas to admit to himself that Lavellan (or any Inquisitor for that matter) is real, then he would have to admit that everyone in Current Thedas is real. If he were to admit that, then it is doubtful he could bring himself to do what he feels is necessary to save what remains of the Ancient Elvhen population. In essence, for Solas, admitting the world he currently finds himself in "real" is akin to sacrificing the only way he can see to save his people, damning them to "essentially" extinction. It's this odd mixture of Pride, Deep Shame, Denial and Delusion that I find so damned intriguing about Solas.
As far as I'm aware it's not as though he's denying anyone the right to be a person, but from his own perspective he simply doesn't see Current Thedas as "real". How can it be? It's so different from the world he left before going into Elf Stasis, so different from the world he tried to create for his people, so different from what he intended with his removal of the Evanuris. Which is why Lavellan LI scares the crap out of him (as Cole states in Banter later) "You're real, and it means everyone could be real. It changes everything, but it can't".
For Solas to admit to himself that Lavellan (or any Inquisitor for that matter) is real, then he would have to admit that everyone in Current Thedas is real. If he were to admit that, then it is doubtful he could bring himself to do what he feels is necessary to save what remains of the Ancient Elvhen population. In essence, for Solas, admitting the world he currently finds himself in "real" is akin to sacrificing the only way he can see to save his people, damning them to "essentially" extinction. It's this odd mixture of Pride, Deep Shame, Denial and Delusion that I find so damned intriguing about Solas.
I honestly never really bought that Solas couldn't see the current Thedas as "real". To me, it was always a case that he wouldn't do it, not that he couldn't.
He knows, in his heart of hearts, that its all real and the people of modern Thedas are alive and have lives and emotions, etc. Solas lacks neither the imagination, empathy, or simple observation skills to see it. He just chooses to try to ignore it. He's telling himself its not real, as a salve against his natural horror at the course of action he feels must be taken to restore what he's broken, the only course he sees, the one he's guilt/duty/honor-bound to follow. He's engaging in an attempt at self-delusion as a defense mechanism, to try to make the consequences of his plans easier to swallow. Its why he generally stays solitary. Its why he doesn't join in on Wicked Grace night despite being frighteningly good at cards, or engage in any other scenes with any other companions besides Cole. Its why he's so reluctant with a romanced Inquisitor. Cus letting himself see them as people stops letting him lie to himself and, logically, will make his resolve falter. And he knows it.
But I can't believe the man ever really believed that people weren't real. He just told himself that and clung to it.
I honestly never really bought that Solas couldn't see the current Thedas as "real". To me, it was always a case that he wouldn't do it, not that he couldn't.
He knows, in his heart of hearts, that its all real and the people of modern Thedas are alive and have lives and emotions, etc. Solas lacks neither the imagination, empathy, or simple observation skills to see it. He just chooses to try to ignore it. He's telling himself its not real, as a salve against his natural horror at the course of action he feels must be taken to restore what he's broken, the only course he sees, the one he's guilt/duty/honor-bound to follow. He's engaging in an attempt at self-delusion as a defense mechanism, to try to make the consequences of his plans easier to swallow. Its why he generally stays solitary. Its why he doesn't join in on Wicked Grace night despite being frighteningly good at cards, or engage in any other scenes with any other companions besides Cole. Its why he's so reluctant with a romanced Inquisitor. Cus letting himself see them as people stops letting him lie to himself and, logically, will make his resolve falter. And he knows it.
But I can't believe the man ever really believed that people weren't real. He just told himself that and clung to it.
Isn't there an actual psychological term for what he's experiencing? Dissociation?
Isn't there an actual psychological term for what he's experiencing? Dissociation?
This maybe?
According to cognitive dissonance theory, there is a tendency for individuals to seek consistency among their cognitions (i.e., beliefs, opinions). When there is an inconsistency between attitudes or behaviors (dissonance), something must change to eliminate the dissonance.
http://www.simplypsy...dissonance.html
THIS. Yes. That's exactly the concept I was thinking of.
Like the balcony scene, where he asked if the mark changed her in any way. He's looking for an excuse as to why she's so different to him when up to that point he never cared about any of the people in Thedas or wherever. If you say no it hasn't, he sounds so disappointed. Because that means it's all on her. She reminds him of his people by her own choices, and if she can be like them, so can everyone else if he gives them half a chance and that scares him.I honestly never really bought that Solas couldn't see the current Thedas as "real". To me, it was always a case that he wouldn't do it, not that he couldn't.
He knows, in his heart of hearts, that its all real and the people of modern Thedas are alive and have lives and emotions, etc. Solas lacks neither the imagination, empathy, or simple observation skills to see it. He just chooses to try to ignore it. He's telling himself its not real, as a salve against his natural horror at the course of action he feels must be taken to restore what he's broken, the only course he sees, the one he's guilt/duty/honor-bound to follow. He's engaging in an attempt at self-delusion as a defense mechanism, to try to make the consequences of his plans easier to swallow. Its why he generally stays solitary. Its why he doesn't join in on Wicked Grace night despite being frighteningly good at cards, or engage in any other scenes with any other companions besides Cole. Its why he's so reluctant with a romanced Inquisitor. Cus letting himself see them as people stops letting him lie to himself and, logically, will make his resolve falter. And he knows it.
But I can't believe the man ever really believed that people weren't real. He just told himself that and clung to it.
THIS. Yes. That's exactly the concept I was thinking of.
That looks to be it.
Useless Factoid woman strikes again.
I'm here til Monday. The chicken to to die for...
Or he is simply gathering an army of followers to help him achieve his goals, even if they don't know they'll die in the process. In the same game we fought someone who did exactly that with Corypheus. Again, he doesn't even see modern elves as people.
You just keep ignoring my points and not countering them with anything convincing or substantial in the story. The story raises certain points for a reason, which you just seem to ignore for?
What you ignore:
1. Solas goes to the Dalish to tell them the truth. Obviously, he spends valuable time doing this for a reason.
2. Solas talks to Sera to tell her the truth. Obviously, he spends valuable time doing this for a reason.
3. The game lets an elven Inquisitor see the Crossroads in a different way than any other species. Obviously, the game designers do this for a reason.
4. Solas "not seeing the modern elves as people" does not, in any way, preclude restoring his people. Not anywhere does he say they can't be restored.
5. The game goes out of its way to make the point that Solas does not use blood magic.
6. Most, if not all, of the "ancient elves" are dead. This happened when Solas raised the Veil. So, whom does he want to restore? The obvious and logical answer to that question is the "modern" elves. This would explain why he is drawing the elves to him. It is the easiest explanation, not involving any character assassination or changing Solas into a blood-thirsty blood magic sentient being sacrificer.
7. Solas tells the Inquisitor that they are going to die. This is logical, since Solas doesn't see the Inquisitor joining his cause. Solas' plan is to restore elves that join his cause. Solas may, in fact, admire the Inquisitor because he doesn't see the Inquisitor as someone willing to forsake Thedas *as is* and join his cause.
Now, until you've got something to add from the story other than "Solas doesn't see modern elves as people" I don't see you convincing me my logic is faulty.
You just keep ignoring my points and not countering them with anything convincing or substantial in the story. The story raises certain points for a reason, which you just seem to ignore for?
What you ignore:
1. Solas goes to the Dalish to tell them the truth. Obviously, he spends valuable time doing this for a reason.
2. Solas talks to Sera to tell her the truth. Obviously, he spends valuable time doing this for a reason.
3. The game lets an elven Inquisitor see the Crossroads in a different way than any other species. Obviously, the game designers do this for a reason.
4. Solas "not seeing the modern elves as people" does not, in any way, preclude restoring his people. Not anywhere does he say they can't be restored.
5. The game goes out of its way to make the point that Solas does not use blood magic.
6. Most, if not all, of the "ancient elves" are dead. This happened when Solas raised the Veil. So, whom does he want to restore? The obvious and logical answer to that question is the "modern" elves. This would explain why he is drawing the elves to him. It is the easiest explanation, not involving any character assassination or changing Solas into a blood-thirsty blood magic sentient being sacrificer.
7. Solas tells the Inquisitor that they are going to die. This is logical, since Solas doesn't see the Inquisitor joining his cause. Solas' plan is to restore elves that join his cause. Solas may, in fact, admire the Inquisitor because he doesn't see the Inquisitor as someone willing to forsake Thedas *as is* and join his cause.
Now, until you've got something to add from the story other than "Solas doesn't see modern elves as people" I don't see you convincing me my logic is faulty.
Solas see's Modern Elves as people, but they are not his people and even though he's intelligent enough to know better he has convinced himself that they (like the rest of modern Thedas) are not "real". He show's no intention of saving even LI Lavellan (arguably the closest relationship he can have to anyone in the game) and downright tells them that they will share the same fate as the rest of Thedas when he brings down the Veil during the events of "Trespasser", despite them being an Elf. He removes their arm because he simply does not want them to suffer needlessly before the end, nothing more.
His sentiment would probably closely resemble that of Abelas in the Temple of Mythal when a Lavellan asks Abelas to help teach the Elven people the truth. "Our" people? The ones who we see in the forest, shadows wearing Vallaslin? You are NOT my people."
Abelas and the other Ancient Elvhen at the Temple of Mythal teach us one thing, there is no guaranteed way of telling just how many of their species still survive or continue to exist (either trapped in the Fade or in deep states of Hibernation across Thedas). We do not know enough about their species, their technology in or out of the Fade, their original populous before the creation of the Veil, or how long they are capable of remaining in stasis to prolong their lives to make any sort of justification as to their remaining numbers. There could be mere hundreds, there could be tens of thousands trapped beyond the Veil or sleeping in the dark, we have no way of knowing.
You just keep ignoring my points and not countering them with anything convincing or substantial in the story. The story raises certain points for a reason, which you just seem to ignore for?
What you ignore:
1. Solas goes to the Dalish to tell them the truth. Obviously, he spends valuable time doing this for a reason.
2. Solas talks to Sera to tell her the truth. Obviously, he spends valuable time doing this for a reason.
3. The game lets an elven Inquisitor see the Crossroads in a different way than any other species. Obviously, the game designers do this for a reason.
4. Solas "not seeing the modern elves as people" does not, in any way, preclude restoring his people. Not anywhere does he say they can't be restored.
5. The game goes out of its way to make the point that Solas does not use blood magic.
6. Most, if not all, of the "ancient elves" are dead. This happened when Solas raised the Veil. So, whom does he want to restore? The obvious and logical answer to that question is the "modern" elves. This would explain why he is drawing the elves to him. It is the easiest explanation, not involving any character assassination or changing Solas into a blood-thirsty blood magic sentient being sacrificer.
7. Solas tells the Inquisitor that they are going to die. This is logical, since Solas doesn't see the Inquisitor joining his cause. Solas' plan is to restore elves that join his cause. Solas may, in fact, admire the Inquisitor because he doesn't see the Inquisitor as someone willing to forsake Thedas *as is* and join his cause.
Now, until you've got something to add from the story other than "Solas doesn't see modern elves as people" I don't see you convincing me my logic is faulty.
When Cole talks about things being "real", which is something he's done since Asunder, I thought it was Cole-speak for "of the physical world". He said this of killing the mages in the White Spire and several other things, that they "made him [Cole] real". So I really have no idea how this affects Solas. But in the off chance it does, well, I don't think Solas ever thought these things and people weren't real, as in "they do not exist". That would just be silly.
When Cole talks about things being "real", which is something he's done since Asunder, I thought it was Cole-speak for "of the physical world". He said this of killing the mages in the White Spire and several other things, that they "made him [Cole] real". So I really have no idea how this affects Solas. But in the off chance it does, well, I don't think Solas ever thought these things and people weren't real, as in "they do not exist". That would just be silly.
Illyria quoted the specific context of the "real" comments. While its Cole talking, he's expressing Solas' thoughts. So its not just about what Cole considers "real" to mean, but what Solas is thinking that Cole is using the word "real" to express. General consensus is that "real" in Solas' context equates to truly being a person or not. Truly "existing" in the way that matters to him. Quote below:
It's in a romance banter between Cole and Solas, after Solas has broken up with Lavellan in Crestwood.
(If the Inquisitor romanced Solas)
- Cole: (If the Inquisitor kept the vallaslin) Stop. You are perfect exactly as you are. But then you turned away. Why?
- Solas: I had no choice.
- Cole: She feels her face, marked, marred without malice. She didn't know. She thinks it's why you walked away.
(Or)
- Cole: (If the Inquisitor had the vallaslin removed) Ar lasa mala revas. You are so beautiful. But then you turned away. Why?
- Solas: I had no choice.
- Cole: She is bare-faced, embarrassed, and she doesn't know. She thinks it's because of her.
- Solas: You cannot heal this, Cole. Please, let it go.
- Inquisitor: Perhaps Cole can get a better answer from you than I did.
- Cole: He hurts, an old pain from before, when everything sang the same.
- Cole: You're real, and it means everyone could be real. It changes everything, but it can't.
- Cole: They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them... (gasps) Where did it go?
- Solas: I apologize, Cole. That is not a pain you can heal.
When Cole talks about things being "real", which is something he's done since Asunder, I thought it was Cole-speak for "of the physical world". He said this of killing the mages in the White Spire and several other things, that they "made him [Cole] real". So I really have no idea how this affects Solas. But in the off chance it does, well, I don't think Solas ever thought these things and people weren't real, as in "they do not exist". That would just be silly.
Solas see's Modern Elves as people, but they are not his people and even though he's intelligent enough to know better he has convinced himself that they (like the rest of modern Thedas) are not "real". He show's no intention of saving even LI Lavellan (arguably the closest relationship he can have to anyone in the game) and downright tells them that they will share the same fate as the rest of Thedas when he brings down the Veil during the events of "Trespasser", despite them being an Elf. He removes their arm because he simply does not want them to suffer needlessly before the end, nothing more.
His sentiment would probably closely resemble that of Abelas in the Temple of Mythal when a Lavellan asks Abelas to help teach the Elven people the truth. "Our" people? The ones who we see in the forest, shadows wearing Vallaslin? You are NOT my people."
Abelas and the other Ancient Elvhen at the Temple of Mythal teach us one thing, there is no guaranteed way of telling just how many of their species still survive or continue to exist (either trapped in the Fade or in deep states of Hibernation across Thedas). We do not know enough about their species, their technology in or out of the Fade, their original populous before the creation of the Veil, or how long they are capable of remaining in stasis to prolong their lives to make any sort of justification as to their remaining numbers. There could be mere hundreds, there could be tens of thousands trapped beyond the Veil or sleeping in the dark, we have no way of knowing.
No offense, you're just saying the same thing the other guy is saying, and, frankly, you're not telling me anything I don't already know.
All this does is reinforce the need to restore his people. As they are right now, they're not his people. Like I've been saying all along.
Your theorizing about how many "ancient" elves still exist is just that - theorizing - without any support from the story. If you can show me, in the story, where there may be some large number of ancient elves left then please share. But the story, the games, as I know them, have all told us that the ancient elves are dead because the Veil was raised. It's only logical that Solas is going to restore his people by lowering the Veil and making the "modern" elves whole again.
Again, my previous points 1, 2, & 3 mean to share with us that the elves still have a special connection to the Fade. And why tell us that, if not to tell us that special connection can be restored? Come up with some other plausible explanation for the game/story making a special point of telling us this. I'm willing to hear it.
Let's take this a step further.
8. Corypheus and the other magisters were told by the whispers they heard that elves needed to be sacrificed due to the power in their blood. Not just anyone, specifically elves. This comes from the Claw of Dumat statue in the Fade at Adamant.
This being the case, modern elves still have the potential, and I doubt, as you point out, Almostfaceman, that there are enough ancient elves to sustain a viable population. It sounds slightly callous but at the same time, I don't see Solas simply breeding elves, considering his disdain for the Qunari.
I agree, there's nothing I've seen in the story that indicates that there's some large number of ancient elves in hiding or *in stasis* somewhere.
With regards to *in stasis* ... Uthenera was not a means to preserve elven immorality - for anybody who thinks that's what it was for. It was actually the opposite. Uthenera was an ancient elf getting tired of life, going to sleep, and possibly dying. There were a small number who used uthenera to explore the Beyond, or Fade, and bring back knowledge - but that was for a special few and even fewer could explore the Beyond and sustain themselves without assistance.
http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Uthenera
You just keep ignoring my points and not countering them with anything convincing or substantial in the story. The story raises certain points for a reason, which you just seem to ignore for?
What you ignore:
1. Solas goes to the Dalish to tell them the truth. Obviously, he spends valuable time doing this for a reason.
2. Solas talks to Sera to tell her the truth. Obviously, he spends valuable time doing this for a reason.
3. The game lets an elven Inquisitor see the Crossroads in a different way than any other species. Obviously, the game designers do this for a reason.
4. Solas "not seeing the modern elves as people" does not, in any way, preclude restoring his people. Not anywhere does he say they can't be restored.
5. The game goes out of its way to make the point that Solas does not use blood magic.
6. Most, if not all, of the "ancient elves" are dead. This happened when Solas raised the Veil. So, whom does he want to restore? The obvious and logical answer to that question is the "modern" elves. This would explain why he is drawing the elves to him. It is the easiest explanation, not involving any character assassination or changing Solas into a blood-thirsty blood magic sentient being sacrificer.
7. Solas tells the Inquisitor that they are going to die. This is logical, since Solas doesn't see the Inquisitor joining his cause. Solas' plan is to restore elves that join his cause. Solas may, in fact, admire the Inquisitor because he doesn't see the Inquisitor as someone willing to forsake Thedas *as is* and join his cause.
Now, until you've got something to add from the story other than "Solas doesn't see modern elves as people" I don't see you convincing me my logic is faulty.
I'm not ignoring anything, especially since a few of these points were never even brought up in the conversation before now.
1. The reason being he wants pawns for his plan. He can't do this on his own. He needs an army, just like he did the first time. Trying to convince the Dalish would have him no longer be an adversary figure so they wouldn't oppose him and even join him.
2. Like above, he is trying to gather allies. Sera, as insufferable as she is to him, has proven to be a formidable fighter and thus a useful ally, especially with the Friends of Red Jenny network.
3. Of course elves see it differently. They have inherited their ancestors genes. It's like why modern Dwarves are still connected to the Titans and have the potential for magic, even if they don't know it. Doesn't mean they won't die with the others.
4. And nowhere does he say the modern elves are the people that will be restored. Meanwhile he has said they will die along with everyone else.
5. What does Blood Magic have to do with anything? I never said Solas was a blood mage.
6. Where is the evidence that the Ancient Elves are all dead? Most sure, but never all. The existence of Abelas and the other Sentinels points to the opposite and that there are survivors, and even Solas says there are places with people like Abelas.
7. Solas says everyone will die. "Burn in the Raw Chaos" I believe his exact words were.
You claim people opposing Solas are merely speculating, but you haven't provided a single piece of evidence other than your opinions that support your viewpoint.
I'm not ignoring anything, especially since a few of these points were never even brought up in the conversation before now.
1. The reason being he wants pawns for his plan. He can't do this on his own. He needs an army, just like he did the first time. Trying to convince the Dalish would have him no longer be an adversary figure so they wouldn't oppose him and even join him.
2. Like above, he is trying to gather allies. Sera, as insufferable as she is to him, has proven to be a formidable fighter and thus a useful ally, especially with the Friends of Red Jenny network.
3. Of course elves see it differently. They have inherited their ancestors genes. It's like why modern Dwarves are still connected to the Titans and have the potential for magic, even if they don't know it. Doesn't mean they won't die with the others.
4. And nowhere does he say the modern elves are the people that will be restored. Meanwhile he has said they will die along with everyone else.
5. What does Blood Magic have to do with anything? I never said Solas was a blood mage.
6. Where is the evidence that the Ancient Elves are all dead? Most sure, but never all. The existence of Abelas and the other Sentinels points to the opposite and that there are survivors, and even Solas says there are places with people like Abelas.
7. Solas says everyone will die. "Burn in the Raw Chaos" I believe his exact words were.
You claim people opposing Solas are merely speculating, but you haven't provided a single piece of evidence other than your opinions that support your viewpoint.
Yes, I brought up all those points before. You can check. My previous posts are still there.
Blood magic was brought up because some have speculated that Solas will sacrifice the "modern" elves in a blood magic ritual to "restore" these mysterious non-existent "ancient" elves floating around somewhere.
Response to point 6 - Solas and the Dalish say the elves lost their ability to live forever and became mortal. That's the state of "modern" elves. That's where the ancient elves went - to death. Because they're no longer immortal.
Response to point 7 - Solas doesn't say everyone will die and he does say he's going to restore his people. He says to the Inquisitor that *they* will die and that makes sense. You'll notice Solas doesn't ask the Inquisitor to join them. That's because he knows the Inquisitor won't join him. Anyone who doesn't join him can't be restored.
Response to point 3 - of course it means they won't die with the others. Otherwise it's pointless to bring it up at all.
Response to point 1 & 2 - Solas doesn't hold army recruitment seminars with the Dalish or with Sera. He tries to tell them who they really are, what really happened to them. He tries to explain to Sera how she's different than say, a human. He doesn't lavish praise on her fighting skills. This "recruitment" notion you have is pure nonsense. It makes much more sense that he'll attract elves by showing them that they can be immortal again, that they can have power over humans and restore ancient Arlathan.
I've played the game. Nowhere does Solas say that all modern elves are going to die. He just says a lot of people... most people... are going to die. He's right. That's what you'd expect from the natural order reverting to something else. Nothing he says indicates that the "modern" elves can't be restored.
No offense, you don't even explain why the game designers would go to the trouble of making the Inquisitor see the Crossroads differently if they're an elf.
There'a method to their madness, and it's perfectly logical that it's pointing out that "modern" elves can be salvaged because they haven't lost what makes them unique from other races.
Blood magic was brought up because some have speculated that Solas will sacrifice the "modern" elves in a blood magic ritual to "restore" these mysterious non-existent "ancient" elves floating around somewhere.
I didn't, so I'm not going to answer for others.
Response to point 6 - Solas and the Dalish say the elves lost their ability to live forever and became mortal. That's the state of "modern" elves. That's where the ancient elves went - to death. Because they're no longer immortal.
And yet millenia old elves like Solas and Abelas remain looking no older than they were millennia ago.
Response to point 7 - Solas doesn't say everyone will die and he does say he's going to restore his people. He says to the Inquisitor that *they* will die and that makes sense. You'll notice Solas doesn't ask the Inquisitor to join them. That's because he knows the Inquisitor won't join him. Anyone who doesn't join him can't be restored.
Evidence?
Response to point 3 - of course it means they won't die with the others. Otherwise it's pointless to bring it up at all.
Evidence?
Response to point 1 & 2 - Solas doesn't hold army recruitment seminars with the Dalish or with Sera. He tries to tell them who they really are, what really happened to them. He tries to explain to Sera how she's different than say, a human. He doesn't lavish praise on her fighting skills. This "recruitment" notion you have is pure nonsense. It makes much more sense that he'll attract elves by showing them that they can be immortal again, that they can have power over humans and restore ancient Arlathan.
Telling people what they can be if they follow him sounds a lot like a recruitment seminar. Many people have done exactly what you describe to gain followers.
I've played the game. Nowhere does Solas say that all modern elves are going to die. He just says a lot of people... most people... are going to die. He's right. That's what you'd expect from the natural order reverting to something else. Nothing he says indicates that the "modern" elves can't be restored.
And nowhere does he say they will be spared. Plus we can get into the argument of "If you change who someone is, are they still themselves?"
No offense, you don't even explain why the game designers would go to the trouble of making the Inquisitor see the Crossroads differently if they're an elf.
Because it adds to the lore that they would see it differently, just like playing a Dwarf Inquisitor lets you hear the hum. Does it affect the game or story at al? No, it's just a nice touch.
There'a method to their madness, and it's perfectly logical that it's pointing out that "modern" elves can be salvaged because they haven't lost what makes them unique from other races.
A connection to the Fade doesn't make them unique, since all other races have that connection. For something to be logical, it needs data supporting it. You have none.
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