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[SirLadySketch]

Given how well the writers have dropped hints throughout all three games so far, I am sure that there will be some sort of resolution that allows the player to keep Solas alive. For my Lavellan's sake, I can even hope that it's a happy ending for them (ha ha ha), however, if the 'resolution' is to make Solas Tranquil, it's kinder to kill him in the end. If we do have to fight him, I hope that my Lavellan found him, joined him, and falls with him.

 

That said, I don't think that Solas is our end-game bad guy. This is too easy, and there's more going on in Thedas than the elves rallying together for a revolution of sorts. I mean, we haven't even seen the entire map, yet! There could be a new threat from across the sea that no one was expecting. I think he'll play a significant part, and I really don't want to kill him, but I think we'll have a lot of factors to figure into our decision. We've got a lot of major players in the background, and Solas is just one (granted significant) of those world powers:

 

1. Valta and the Titans-- If nothing else, the pure political/moral implications of what Lyrium truly is could potentially throw off the entire Shaperrate's -- and world-- economy

2. The Elvhen Gods

3. The Old Gods

4. Sandal -- who may or may not be one of the above

5. The Inquisitor -- Kieran says that you have old blood, which, in this world, is often tied to old power

6. The Warden -- If they can cure the curse of the blight, think of what that means for Thedas

7. + All of the established monarchies, exisiting world powers, and religions

 

There are a few other things established in DAI's DLC that I forsee coming into play, namely the Avaar and their spirits/gods.

 

I'm a sucker for happy endings so I hope I don't have to kill him, but regardless of what's to come, I'm excited.

[Ariella]

SirLadySketch,

When does Kieren say that? I've never got that dialogue.

[CardButton]

No offense, you're just saying the same thing the other guy is saying, and, frankly, you're not telling me anything I don't already know. 

 

All this does is reinforce the need to restore his people. As they are right now, they're not his people. Like I've been saying all along.

 

Your theorizing about how many "ancient" elves still exist is just that - theorizing - without any support from the story. If you can show me, in the story, where there may be some large number of ancient elves left then please share. But the story, the games, as I know them, have all told us that the ancient elves are dead because the Veil was raised. It's only logical that Solas is going to restore his people by lowering the Veil and making the "modern" elves whole again. 

 

Again, my previous points 1, 2, & 3 mean to share with us that the elves still have a special connection to the Fade. And why tell us that, if not to tell us that special connection can be restored? Come up with some other plausible explanation for the game/story making a special point of telling us this. I'm willing to hear it. 

Right, but that doesn't make us wrong.

 

We meet Ancient Elves in the Game!  Abelas and his group are ancient Elves who have managed to survive for thousands of years hidden away (and he also mentions that they rarely awaken, but when they do they find the world vastly different each time).  Solas is an Ancient Elf and while powerful even he has admitted to waking from a long sleep very recently.  Abelas also says this line specifically to the Elf Inquisitor when they ask Abelas to help "our" people. "Our people? The ones we see in the forest, shadows wearing Vallaslin? You are NOT my people." 

 

Combine this with immensely insightful banter with Cole regarding Solas' breakup with LI Lavellan, it would seem that Solas feels similarly about the Modern Elves as well.  He does not want to perceive them as "real", because if he does he cannot bring himself to do what needs to be done.

• Inquisitor: Perhaps Cole can get a better answer from you than I did.
• Cole: He hurts, an old pain from before, when everything sang the same.
• Cole: You're real, and it means everyone could be real. It changes everything, but it can't.
• Cole: They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them... (gasps) Where did it go?
• Solas: I apologize, Cole. That is not a pain you can heal.

There may be some of the Elven population still linked close enough to their heritage to survive an instant collapse of the Veil and then all that Magic being forced into their physical forms that have been removed from that magic for so long, but they will be the exception (and lets see how many of them survive the widespread demon attacks following the Veils instant removal).  As for his banter with Sera, it almost seems like Pity from Solas' side.  He seems to imply that had she been born an Ancient Elf she would have been something rare or unique, "You are different.  You are the furthest from what you are meant to be", but never does he hint in his dialogue that he intends to save the Modern Elves ... including Sera.

 

Also, aren't you forgetting something very important regarding Solas' character in the DA Universe.  We the Players know who Solas really is, but to the vast majority of the Elves (almost all of them in fact) his legend has been twisted and altered so heavily over time that if anything they would want to kill him rather than join him (assuming they would even believe he is the true Fen'Harel). He, to the Dalish, is the Elven God of Deception and Betrayal, the Dread Wolf.  He is responsible for their god's banishments (gods who they still believe to be real and benevolent), responsible for the downfall of their people and holds partial responsibility for every tragedy the Elves have suffered since the fall of Arlathan.  You think they would trust him or even believe the truth if they were told?

[lynroy]

SirLadySketch,

When does Kieren say that? I've never got that dialogue.

He says it to an elf Inquisitor when you first meet him. Skip to 1:13

 

"The ears gave me away, didn't they."

"No. Your blood is very old. I saw it right away,"

[Ariella]

He says it to an elf Inquisitor when you first meet him. Skip to 1:13

 
"The ears gave me away, didn't they."
"No. Your blood is very old. I saw it right away,"

Aha, I thought it might have crossed all the races, from SirLadySketch's phrasing.

Thank, Lynroy.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Aha, I thought it might have crossed all the races, from SirLadySketch's phrasing.

Thank, Lynroy.

Well, it kind of does. He says similar things about Qunari and Dwarves. 

[Nefla]

He says it to an elf Inquisitor when you first meet him. Skip to 1:13

 

"The ears gave me away, didn't they."

"No. Your blood is very old. I saw it right away,"

Wow, I didn't realize how adorable the non-OGB version is

[ComedicSociopathy]

Wow, I didn't realize how adorable the non-OGB version is

 

Wish Morrigan didn't butt in when he was about to explain things though. 

[CardButton]

Wish Morrigan didn't butt in when he was about to explain things though. 

Agreed! Stupid Exposition Mom! 

[Ariella]

Well, it kind of does. He says similar things about Qunari and Dwarves.

But he doesn't say the *exact* thing. That the Inquisitor has old blood to all of them. So the old blood=old power kind of falls flat unless you're an elf.

The Inquisitor has the potential to be a royal pain in the ass, but not because of whatever they have running in their veins.

Mine personally, has finely chilled pragmatism, thank you.

[NoForgiveness]

Told him I'd kill him... not because of his betrayal or trickery, I don't care about that. He was(and still is) a friend. But now he has made himself my(or i guess my inquisitor's) enemy and I don't spare enemies.

[Dai Grepher]

All this does is reinforce the need to restore his people. As they are right now, they're not his people. Like I've been saying all along.

 

Your theorizing about how many "ancient" elves still exist is just that - theorizing - without any support from the story. If you can show me, in the story, where there may be some large number of ancient elves left then please share. But the story, the games, as I know them, have all told us that the ancient elves are dead because the Veil was raised. It's only logical that Solas is going to restore his people by lowering the Veil and making the "modern" elves whole again. 

 

Again, my previous points 1, 2, & 3 mean to share with us that the elves still have a special connection to the Fade. And why tell us that, if not to tell us that special connection can be restored? Come up with some other plausible explanation for the game/story making a special point of telling us this. I'm willing to hear it. 

 

Yeah. The impression I got is that he will restore the elves who are willing to answer his call. He tried to "enlighten" them before by telling them the truth. They rejected him, probably violently. So now he plans to "awaken" them by showing them a truth they can't deny or ignore. Once he drops the Veil, he believes these elves will be restored, much like how he removed vallaslin from the elvhen.
 

[Abyss108]

Solas specifically says that what he will do will destroy the modern elves.

 

If you ask to join him as an Elf he hates, he says it would kill everyone you have ever known, which doesn't make sense if they could be saved just by following him. 

 

On the other hand, I think someone asked Weekes on twitter about the "destroying your people" part, and whether it was a mistake if he said that to an Elf. It wasn't a mistake but may/may not imply what you think.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Solas could be using the word "destroy" to mean "change beyond recognition" rather than "kill". I don't think he is, mind you. But I suppose its a possibility. Maybe.

[Almostfaceman]

I didn't, so I'm not going to answer for others. 

 

And yet millenia old elves like Solas and Abelas remain looking no older than they were millennia ago. 

 

Evidence?

 

Evidence? 

 

Telling people what they can be if they follow him sounds a lot like a recruitment seminar. Many people have done exactly what you describe to gain followers.

 

And nowhere does he say they will be spared. Plus we can get into the argument of "If you change who someone is, are they still themselves?" 

 

Because it adds to the lore that they would see it differently, just like playing a Dwarf Inquisitor lets you hear the hum. Does it affect the game or story at al? No, it's just a nice touch. 

 

A connection to the Fade doesn't make them unique, since all other races have that connection. For something to be logical, it needs data supporting it. You have none. 

 

The story and the game are data. No other race has the same connection with the Fade that the "modern" or "ancient" elves have. This is why the game designers went through the trouble of pointing this out in Solas' conversation with Sera. His efforts with the Dalish. His conversations with the Inquisitor. 

 

I've provided the data, in the game. You're choosing to ignore it. I can't help you with that. We can agree to disagree. 

 

Solas is the one who initiated raising the Veil. He obviously, and quite logically, set aside special providence for himself to survive the raising of the Veil. Abelas is also under special conditions, in a magical Temple set up by Mythal, preserved by ancient spells she set up. The vast majority of ancient elves are gone, as it stated repeatedly throughout all three games.  The only elves remaining in any significant numbers that there is evidence of - is the "modern" elves. 

[Abyss108]

Solas could be using the word "destroy" to mean "change beyond recognition" rather than "kill". I don't think he is, mind you. But I suppose its a possibility. Maybe.

 

I assumed kill based of what Solas said in game, but what Weekes tweeted made me think maybe not. Or, Weekes could just have just said that to keep people guessing!

[myahele]

Well Solas did "change beyond recognition" the world and look what happened. And he'll plan on doing it again. 

 

People will most likely die as a result of such a drastic change back into a veil-less world.

[Illyria]

I assumed kill based of what Solas said in game, but what Weekes tweeted made me think maybe not. Or, Weekes could just have just said that to keep people guessing!

 

Do you have a link to Weekes' tweet?  I've not seen that one.

[Abyss108]

Do you have a link to Weekes' tweet?  I've not seen that one.

 

Here it is - https://twitter.com/...756673182011398

 

Not a bug, but we can "question the interpretation". He also doesn't confirm that Solas' people are ancient elves when asked. Could both just be to encourage speculation, or it could be hinting at something! 

[Ariella]

Here something from Britannica about viable population studies. It's germaine to the conversation.

http://www.britannic...able-population

As I said, something to think about.

[CardButton]

I kind of assumed that the reason that Solas and Abelas had managed to stay alive for so long is that they were in deep states of hibernation for much of the time and that while they were active and conscious that they were still under the effects of the Quickening, therefore whenever awake they age like any other elf.  If this isn't the case and they somehow managed to hold onto their Elven immortality for so long, how? 

 

I was under the impression that the Elves began their Aging as a result of being separated from the Fade by the creation of the Veil, but if Solas and Abelas managed to keep themselves from aging then what makes them different from the rest of their species?  If it was this separation from the Fade that caused the aging process (and if Solas is trying to save the Modern Elves and not the Ancient Elves) then presumably reconnecting the Fade the physical world would bring back that Elven eternal life and obscene amount of Elven magic back right? 

 

Then there is this whole weird thing when you realize that an Elven Inquisitor has been physically in the Fade 3 times (and potentially Sera once) through the course of their adventures, did they regain their Elven immortality and power while they were in there?  Or is being physically in the Fade not enough to grant those things back and if that is the case, what is? 

[Illyria]

I kind of assumed that the reason that Solas and Abelas had managed to stay alive for so long is that they were in deep states of hibernation for much of the time and that while they were active and conscious that they were still under the effects of the Quickening, therefore whenever awake they age like any other elf.  If this isn't the case and they somehow managed to hold onto their Elven immortality for so long, how? 

 

I was under the impression that the Elves began their Aging as a result of being separated from the Fade by the creation of the Veil, but if Solas and Abelas managed to keep themselves from aging then what makes them different from the rest of their species?  If it was this separation from the Fade that caused the aging process (and if Solas is trying to save the Modern Elves and not the Ancient Elves) then presumably reconnecting the Fade the physical world would bring back that Elven eternal life and obscene amount of Elven magic back right? 

 

Then there is this whole weird thing when you realize that an Elven Inquisitor has been physically in the Fade 3 times (and potentially Sera once) through the course of their adventures, did they regain their Elven immortality and power while they were in there?  Or is being physically in the Fade not enough to grant those things back and if that is the case, what is? 

 

I think Weekes would answer like this:

 

Spoilers!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think Weekes would answer like this:

 

Spoilers!

Nah. "Spoilers!" is Mike Laidlaw's thing. Patrick Weekes wouldn't take that from him. 

[Illyria]

Nah. "Spoilers!" is Mike Laidlaw's thing. Patrick Weekes wouldn't take that from him. 

 

Weekes already stole it.

 

Like Blackwall stole the beards to gain the power of the Wardens, so Weekes steals the catchphrases to gain the power of the devs.

[Corades]

Unfortunately, my Lavellan is madly in love with him. And I just love Solas character... Sooo I guess I'll try to convince him to go to the good path somehow. Hopefully.