@Corades: What good path would that be exactly?
He admits to annihilating the elven race... he orchestrates a world ending scenario to power up his magical orb (seriously, DAI is the quest to get Solas' magic 8-Ball working) - and now admits to willingly walking the path to annihilating the new Thedas.
I am sorry, but Solas is going to die or be imprisoned.
Unless they're pulling a Mass Effect: Andromeda... they're not going to obliterate current Thedas.
Maybe everyone has to die so that they become spirits. Only then will their original abilities return to them.
@Corades: What good path would that be exactly?
He admits to annihilating the elven race... he orchestrates a world ending scenario to power up his magical orb (seriously, DAI is the quest to get Solas' magic 8-Ball working) - and now admits to willingly walking the path to annihilating the new Thedas.
I am sorry, but Solas is going to die or be imprisoned.
Unless they're pulling a Mass Effect: Andromeda... they're not going to obliterate current Thedas.
Haha, I just have hope. I mean, in the end he tells you that "you proved I was wrong. Again". When he joins at the beginning he confessed that he didn't see the people around him as people until he got to spend time with them. And now because he made emotional connections he takes no pleasure in what he wants to do. He's starting to doubt.
Solas is a character that can't get over the guilt of what he did. Come on, he destroyed the ancient world, filled with wonders because their colleages planned on destroying everything. He wants to mend his mistake, but in truth he is doing what the other gods wanted, and he doesn't see that. He is too deep in the past to realize that. And my Inquisitor, at least, is going to prove he's wrong. Again
@In Exile: We're seeing him thousands of years later. The reality of it is probably forgotten and he's also polluted it by watching a million other wars and betrayals and genocides.
And... he is definitely not, at all, sane.
Both my female elf & human female mage are going to try their best to redeem him .If all else fails then he will be killed .
I strongly suspect how Solas intends to try and fix things involves spirits in some way and is connected to what happens to people when they die. That is something that has never been revealed but only hinted at and beliefs vary on the matter. He has a strong connection to spirits and I think that is because the origins of the elves lie with the spirits; which is why he understands Cole. Even his way of thinking has that single mindedness that spirits demonstrate; having to fulfil a particular role they perceive for themselves. Also the fact that if the spirit is twisted from its true nature, it becomes perverted into the opposite.
Anyway, if he is not killing the modern elves by destroying them, he may well be destroying their physical form but believes that this will free their spirit to be reborn as they once were, the magic in their blood being the catalyst for this to happen. In the process they may well forget their former identity, so they will live on but not as the personality they were before (which is what he says will happen with his friend that we save). So they are not totally annihilated and are immortal but not the person they once were.
It's not just that he destroyed a world. He erased his people from existence. He's personally responsible for a huge genocide. That he's sane at all is impressive.
Wow, I didn't realize how adorable the non-OGB version is
Is more sweet
It's not just that he destroyed a world. He erased his people from existence. He's personally responsible for a huge genocide. That he's sane at all is impressive.
His people are still around. It's only to bad Solas won't recognize that.
I see Solas as a sociopath, destroying any good will the modern elves have garnered thru the (my) elven HoF and (my) elven Inquisitor. The world was just starting to become a better place for elves (first elven noble in Orlais) and baldy has to throw a spanner in the works that could lead to the extermination of the elven race for good.
This is such a good story arch and really complex villain, but I only see the end of the elves in DA.
His people are still around. It's only to bad Solas won't recognize that.
No. The physical body plan of elves happens to be around. The immortal magical race isn't. That's gone, forever for now, unless Solas reverses whatever it is he did. "His" elves don't exist, because of him. He created something new.
Solas' problem and sin isn't the genocide he perpetrated. It's that he can't accept that there's any value in what he created - because he's ultimately the creator of an entirely new world. But rather than accept it, he wants to wreck it, because he can't handle his guilt.
Right, but that doesn't make us wrong.
We meet Ancient Elves in the Game! Abelas and his group are ancient Elves who have managed to survive for thousands of years hidden away (and he also mentions that they rarely awaken, but when they do they find the world vastly different each time). Solas is an Ancient Elf and while powerful even he has admitted to waking from a long sleep very recently. Abelas also says this line specifically to the Elf Inquisitor when they ask Abelas to help "our" people. "Our people? The ones we see in the forest, shadows wearing Vallaslin? You are NOT my people."
Combine this with immensely insightful banter with Cole regarding Solas' breakup with LI Lavellan, it would seem that Solas feels similarly about the Modern Elves as well. He does not want to perceive them as "real", because if he does he cannot bring himself to do what needs to be done.
- Inquisitor: Perhaps Cole can get a better answer from you than I did.
- Cole: He hurts, an old pain from before, when everything sang the same.
- Cole: You're real, and it means everyone could be real. It changes everything, but it can't.
- Cole: They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them... (gasps) Where did it go?
- Solas: I apologize, Cole. That is not a pain you can heal.
Or, "they" are the Elven Gods. Sleeping and Hurting.
@In Exile: We're seeing him thousands of years later. The reality of it is probably forgotten and he's also polluted it by watching a million other wars and betrayals and genocides.
And... he is definitely not, at all, sane.
Is it DSM4TR or DSM5 you're using as diagnostic tool?
Or, "they" are the Elven Gods. Sleeping and Hurting.
Except he makes it clear over and over again that he has no interest in freeing them.
No. The physical body plan of elves happens to be around. The immortal magical race isn't. That's gone, forever for now, unless Solas reverses whatever it is he did. "His" elves don't exist, because of him. He created something new.
Solas' problem and sin isn't the genocide he perpetrated. It's that he can't accept that there's any value in what he created - because he's ultimately the creator of an entirely new world. But rather than accept it, he wants to wreck it, because he can't handle his guilt.
I see Solas as a sociopath, destroying any good will the modern elves have garnered thru the (my) elven HoF and (my) elven Inquisitor. The world was just starting to become a better place for elves (first elven noble in Orlais) and baldy has to throw a spanner in the works that could lead to the extermination of the elven race for good.
This is such a good story arch and really complex villain, but I only see the end of the elves in DA.
I agree that Solas's plans will have a huge effect on the elves of Thedas. If a significant amount of elves back Solas up and he fails people won't soon forget his supporters and the humans will be all too willing to lump all elves together. All the strides your Warden made (if the Hero's boon counted for anything you could have a settlement for Dalish or an elven Bann), that Orlais made by opening up the University, that your could Dalish Inquisitor make, and Divine Leliana will try to make for the elves will all be for naught if humans decide to turn the blame on all the elves of Thedas. And the more suspicious humans become of elves the more they'll push them to revolting or following Solas, and so on and so fourth.
I don't think all the elves will be wiped out, but I do think this can definitely set back all the progress they've made in recent times.
Here's my take on this question of killing Solas.
In my headcannon playthroughs of each DA games, my PC decisions are based on what would make Thedas a better place in the long run. So in the next DA game with Solas being the main villain, my decision will again be based on this.
Currently, the Thedas we have I find to be a shitty one. Elves as second class citizens, magic being feared and hated, so very little progress in society in general. Ancient elves has done so much with magic that none since them has been able to replicate, not even Tevinter. Imagine what the eluvians can do to commerce?
I want this to change. So what I'm saying is if killing 90% of the population means I would get a Thedas that would treat elves as an equal race and magic as something to be respected and actually used to improve the lives of Thedosians, then I would most likely join Solas. If that option is even available. I hope.
In this fictional world in a video game, I am God. Not Solas. We all have are own ways of role-playing and that's fine. One of the things I love about DA is the multiple endings and we can pick and choose what endings we want.
Here's my take on this question of killing Solas.
In my headcannon playthroughs of each DA games, my PC decisions are based on what would make Thedas a better place in the long run. So in the next DA game with Solas being the main villain, my decision will again be based on this.
Currently, the Thedas we have I find to be a shitty one. Elves as second class citizens, magic being feared and hated, so very little progress in society in general. Ancient elves has done so much with magic that none since them has been able to replicate, not even Tevinter. Imagine what the eluvians can do to commerce?
I want this to change. So what I'm saying is if killing 90% of the population means I would get a Thedas that would treat elves as an equal race and magic as something to be respected and actually used to improve the lives of Thedosians, then I would most likely join Solas. If that option is even available. I hope.
In this fictional world in a video game, I am God. Not Solas. We all have are own ways of role-playing and that's fine. One of the things I love about DA is the multiple endings and we can pick and choose what endings we want.
I too would dearly love to improve the world of Thedas, no Slavery and bigotry outlawed , We can only hope the game DA4 allows us to radically improve the lot of the downtrodden and disenfranchised races/people of Thedas .
All the strides your Warden made (if the Hero's boon counted for anything you could have a settlement for Dalish or an elven Bann), that Orlais made by opening up the University, that your could Dalish Inquisitor make, and Divine Leliana will try to make for the elves will all be for naught if humans decide to turn the blame on all the elves of Thedas.
Right, because it's not like the humans have a legitimate reason to be wary this time. A figure out of elven legend, who had been called a god (regardless of his own feelings on the matter), who appears to be effectively immortal and powerful beyond any other mage, amassed an army. Of course it can't be this rebel army's fault. All they want to do is unspecified, horrendous damage to the world as we know it. How dare the humans think poorly of this?
Don't misunderstand. All of my PCs have been egalitarian through and through, and they'll continue to be so, judging each person as an individual. However, that won't stop them from acknowledging general statements that are true, such as "many elves are working to screw everyone over."
Thedas is stagnating. What progress has been accomplished in this world since the fall of the Ancient Elves? The Chantry has a lot to do with this stagnation. And the elves did not help themselves by just giving up the fight. The dwarves don't care about anyone but themselves. The Qunari I think sees the problem but their success is limited. Plus, I don't really like being mind wiped.
It really is about time for another elven uprising. Hopefully this time they succeed. Not in genocide but in actually achieving an making Thedas realise that slavery is not good. If they don't succeed, then at least they died fighting. I am really unhappy with slavery in Thedas.
Humans has been and will continue to blame elves and magic for everything wrong, true or not. The elves might as well go wild with it. Oh, I am totally expecting the humans to form another exalted march against the elves. I'm hoping for a glorious elven army vs Human army battle! I wish I can control this battle. This would be awesome. The elves might all die and go extinct, but it would still be a glorious battle!
Thing is, Solas -- even more than Corypheus before him -- is basically a walking advertisement for the Saarebas treatment ... hell, for the argument that even the Saarebas treatment is way too lenient. People like these two show why magic is rightfully feared and hated. It has nothing to do with "propaganda" from the oh-so-evil Chantry, but with the actions of individuals like this. Monsters with a god complex, no matter how much they may deny that is what they are.
As much as I'd personally like to see a true high-magic setting for once, with spirits mingling freely with mortals and everyone capable of shaping reality instead of this fairly generic and IMO pretty boring nth regurgitation of a pseudo-medieval Europe, as much as I'd leap at the chance to bring it about in a less apocalyptic manner that actually benefits and has room for people who aren't ancient elves, this "let's force an end to bigotry by destroying the world, that'll teach them" approach just boggles my mind. Not to mention that it's not even on Solas' agenda. He may have been a champion of the downtrodden once, but now all he really cares about is the restoration of his people at the expense of everyone else.
Here's a weird thought and tell me if this sounds absolutely bonkers, but the difference in perspective when an Elven Inquisitor goes into the Crossroads in Trespasser (and when another race goes there) got me thinking about Abelas and Solas. It's bright, full of color, really interesting to look at (can you imagine what it would look like to an Ancient Elf?)... but for every other race it looks much like it did the first time Morrigan showed us that place. Grey, misty, full of shadow and haze. What if this is literally how the Ancient Elvhen see modern Thedas (without the Fade) and those who live within it. Greyscale, full of shadows and mist (it might actually be worse for them than in regards to the physical world). This would actually explain a LOT about their behavior and would make what Abelas says to the Dalish Quizzy quite literal "Our" people? The ones we see in the forest, SHADOWS wearing vallaslin? You are not my people."
How much would that screw up someones perception of the world or the people in it? Murky and grey, lacking in complete substance. It would be like walking in a dream, or moving into a dark place after spending hours surrounded by nothing but bright light. 
Or, "they" are the Elven Gods. Sleeping and Hurting.
But the Elven Gods aren't "Hiding", I'm Solas knows exactly where he trapped them and he would certainly not give a crap if they were "Hurting".
Cole's spirit of mercy thought-reading thing only seems to work in regards to memories that cause great pain, regret, remorse, or sadness. Solas hate's the Evenuris and despite regretting what his decision did to the Elvhen people, I'm sure he doesn't regret for a second the direct impact his creation of the Veil had on the other "Gods" personally. He believes that their murder of Mythal (even now) deserves a fate worse than death, that was the whole point of sealing them away in the Fade rather than straight up killing them. 
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