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[Dean_the_Young]

Here's my take on this question of killing Solas.

 

In my headcannon playthroughs of each DA games,  my PC decisions are based on what would make Thedas a better place in the long run.  So in the next DA game with Solas being the main villain, my decision will again be based on this.

 

Currently, the Thedas we have I find to be a shitty one.  Elves as second class citizens, magic being feared and hated, so very little progress in society in general.  Ancient elves has done so much with magic that none since them has been able to replicate, not even Tevinter.  Imagine what the eluvians can do to commerce?

 

I want this to change. So what I'm saying is if killing 90% of the population means I would get a Thedas that would treat elves as an equal race and magic as something to be respected and actually used to improve the lives of Thedosians, then I would most likely join Solas.  If that option is even available.  I hope.

 

In this fictional world in a video game, I am God.  Not Solas.  We all have are own ways of role-playing and that's fine.  One of the things I love about DA is the multiple endings and we can pick and choose what endings we want.

 

Just a hunch, but I've a suspicion that the lives of 90% of Thedosians would be considerably worse under Solas's plan.

 

And that's without scoffing at the prospect of racial equality for the survivors under the regime of a god-complex racial supremacist.

 

 

 

Thedas is stagnating.  What progress has been accomplished in this world since the fall of the Ancient Elves? 

 

 

Pan-racial identity politics, the abolition of slavery in most regions, the dismantling of the mage-supremacist oligarchies, cultural diversity, international cooperation that tolerates and preserves such, physical sciences, the effective end of god-king religious-politics, the tolerance and rise of individualism as the cultural organization of society, and real and ongoing non-violent cultural reform movements.

 

 

 

The Chantry has a lot to do with this stagnation.  And the elves did not help themselves by just giving up the fight.  The dwarves don't care about anyone but themselves.  The Qunari I think sees the problem but their success is limited.  Plus, I don't really like being mind wiped.

 

It really is about time for another elven uprising.  Hopefully this time they succeed.  Not in genocide but in actually achieving an making Thedas realise that slavery is not good.  If they don't succeed, then at least they died fighting.  I am really unhappy with slavery in Thedas.

 

Most of Thedas already realizes that slavery is not good. That's why they largely oppose it, and don't even force mages to work.

 

 

 

Humans has been and will continue to blame elves and magic for everything wrong, true or not.  The elves might as well go wild with it.  Oh, I am totally expecting the humans to form another exalted march against the elves.  I'm hoping for a glorious elven army vs Human army battle!  I wish I can control this battle.  This would be awesome.  The elves might all die and go extinct, but it would still be a glorious battle!

 

 

If the charge is true, it's not a sin- it's a statement of fact.

[fangs4fun]

Just a hunch, but I've a suspicion that the lives of 90% of Thedosians would be considerably worse under Solas's plan.

 

And that's without scoffing at the prospect of racial equality for the survivors under the regime of a god-complex racial supremacist.

 

 

 

 

Pan-racial identity politics, the abolition of slavery in most regions, the dismantling of the mage-supremacist oligarchies, cultural diversity, international cooperation that tolerates and preserves such, physical sciences, and the effective end of god-king religious-politics.

 

 

Most of Thedas already realizes that slavery is not good. That's why they largely oppose it, and don't even force mages to work.

 

 

If the charge is true, it's not a sin- it's a statement of fact.

 

Lots of big words there for a non-native English speaker to understand.  But it is clearl you disagree with my Burn Thedas Burn thoughts.  That's fine.  BW usually gives us choices as to what kind of Thedas we'll have.  You can keep your status quo.  I want change.  If Solas is giving me that, then I'll be on his side.  Regardless of the result, even if he fails, I would still have fun because at least someone is trying to change a stagnating world.

 

Solas's plan is to return the world to its natural state. Without the Veil.  I am fine with that.  We can both speculate what the world will be like if he succeeds.  I am excited to see what it would be.  Maybe it will be better or maybe it will be worse.  

 

When you say most of Thedas do not agree with slavery, I do not see evidence of this.  We see individuals and small group of people who express distaste.   Are they actually doing anything to stop it?  First time I see someone express doing something is Dorian.  One person.  Hope he succeeds.  We see plenty of evidence of elven oppression and superstition against magic.  Not a lot of action to actually change their lot in life.  I think all this is leading to elves fighting back and I want to see this.

[Silcron]

I don't care much about Soias. Didn't particularly like him aside from his banter wtih Vivienne. To me he's just Corypheus 2.0, now actually trying to be an interesting villain. The theory is there but in reality Solas just doesn't click with me aside from the Lore he's provided (and that I know thanks to this forum, haven't played or watched tresspasser.) Maybe if I played Tresspasser I'd get invested, it is possible but sadly after 2 playthroughs on DAI I'd rather spend money on the Tomb Raider season pass.

So more than likely he'll end up dead.

[Medhia_Nox]

Well - I knew Solas and I were going to have problems in our very first coversation in Haven.  

 

Solas:  Imagine man, if like, the Fade... were like... here man.  And like... woah... everything was like... spirits man.

 

Me:  That's a terrible idea.

 

Solas:  Like... open your MIND man... 

[Dean_the_Young]

Lots of big words there for a non-native English speaker to understand.  But it is clearl you disagree with my Burn Thedas Burn thoughts.  That's fine.  BW usually gives us choices as to what kind of Thedas we'll have.  You can keep your status quo.  I want change.  If Solas is giving me that, then I'll be on his side.  Regardless of the result, even if he fails, I would still have fun because at least someone is trying to change a stagnating world.

 

 

Ah, there's the problem then. You don't know what 'status quo' or 'stagnant' mean, or else you wouldn't misuse them so.

 

The Dragon Age is far from a stagnant setting. The setting and period of time are, in fact, named for being dynamic and the major political changes underway. Changes that, even without Solas's influence, generally progressive and social improvements rather than the outright reactionary leap-back that Solas desires.
 

 

Solas's plan is to return the world to its natural state. Without the Veil.  I am fine with that.  We can both speculate what the world will be like if he succeeds.  I am excited to see what it would be.  Maybe it will be better or maybe it will be worse.  

 

 

We know quite well that it will be significantly worse for a great many people, because he tells us so.

 

'Natural' does not mean 'good'- nor is there compelling proof that the world can be returned to its pre-Veil state. Divergent evolution, and all that- especially since the politics and identities of the pre-Veil period, the people Solas actually misses, are irrevocably lost.

 

 

When you say most of Thedas do not agree with slavery, I do not see evidence of this.  We see individuals and small group of people who express distaste.   Are they actually doing anything to stop it?  First time I see someone express doing something is Dorian.  One person.  Hope he succeeds. 

 

The indication that most people in Thedas do not agree with slavery would be the fact that most people in Thedas do not allow slavery. Slavery is legally forbidden in Southern (Andrastian) Thedas. Where it occurs, it does so illegally and secretively.

 

Dorian, on the other hand, is actually ambivalent about slavery and is not an abolitionist. Ironically, he is the only character in the cast of Dragon Age Inquistion to openly defend it as an institution.

 

I will, for the sake of generosity, not quibble about whether the qunari caste system constitutes 'slavery.'

 

 

We see plenty of evidence of elven oppression and superstition against magic.  Not a lot of action to actually change their lot in life. 

 

 

 

Unless you're posting in the Dragon Age Inquisition sub-forum without having played the game... yes, there has been a lot of action. Not only was there just a major war and social upheaval in Southern Thedas centered around the mages, it was followed by a significant reformation movement no matter the divine.
 

 

I think all this is leading to elves fighting back and I want to see this.

 

There is no pan-elven movement in Thedas. No 'all elf' identity politics. The Dalish consider themselves the last of the true elves, but do not speak for or want to identify with the rest of the elves. The city elves identify themselves by their nation. And the ancient elves, including Solas, don't see the modern elves as 'their' people.

 

Nor is there a mass 'fighting back', because the 'fighting back' has entirely different things to the different groups. The Dalish concerns and goals are different than the city elf goals and concerns are different than the ancient elf goals and concerns.

[Medhia_Nox]

It's fascinating how many people believe Solas' crap. 

 

Solas:  The Evanuris were like... bad, so I revolted and locked them up.

 

Me:  Wait, you revolted and locked up "how many" evil, almighty Evanuris? 

 

Solas:  Like.. six I think?  Maybe seven.  Hell if I can remember anymore.  It was a long time ago.

 

Me:  Any chance they revolted against you because you wanted to be the "One True God" and you imprisoned them - but destroyed your world - which sent you into a torpor and now you want your world back?

 

Solas:  ..... no. 

 

Me:  Hey, just spitballing here.  It's not like you've NEVER lied before. 

 

Solas:  Yeah, but you can trust all my end game exposition...  honest.  

[Almostfaceman]

It's fascinating how many people believe Solas' crap. 

 

Solas:  The Evanuris were like... bad, so I revolted and locked them up.

 

Me:  Wait, you revolted and locked up "how many" evil, almighty Evanuris? 

 

Solas:  Like.. six I think?  Maybe seven.  Hell if I can remember anymore.  It was a long time ago.

 

Me:  Any chance they revolted against you because you wanted to be the "One True God" and you imprisoned them - but destroyed your world - which sent you into a torpor and now you want your world back?

 

Solas:  ..... no. 

 

Me:  Hey, just spitballing here.  It's not like you've NEVER lied before. 

 

Solas:  Yeah, but you can trust all my end game exposition...  honest.  

 

Eh, it's not just Solas, there's also codex that back up things he tells us... or even things he didn't tell us... like his role in freeing elven slaves. 

[Almostfaceman]

It's fascinating how many people believe Solas' crap. 

 

Solas:  The Evanuris were like... bad, so I revolted and locked them up.

 

Me:  Wait, you revolted and locked up "how many" evil, almighty Evanuris? 

 

Solas:  Like.. six I think?  Maybe seven.  Hell if I can remember anymore.  It was a long time ago.

 

Me:  Any chance they revolted against you because you wanted to be the "One True God" and you imprisoned them - but destroyed your world - which sent you into a torpor and now you want your world back?

 

Solas:  ..... no. 

 

Me:  Hey, just spitballing here.  It's not like you've NEVER lied before. 

 

Solas:  Yeah, but you can trust all my end game exposition...  honest.  

 

It's also interesting you ignore the "end game exposition" considering that Solas literally has nothing to gain from lying at that point. He can snap his fingers and your Inquisitor is dead meat.