Ambush him, mousetrap him. He may be close to immortal, but he's not omniscient nor is he omnipotent. The fact he is an arrogant idiot, will probably play in favor of that. Everyone has a weakness.
I'd rather hit him over the head until he comes to his senses, but if it comes to a last sanction situation, it's going to be akin to finding Corypheus' weakness, but probably a lot more convoluted
Pride will lead to the downfall of Solas.
Could a Templar nullify his powers?
Solas need a bath, do you think he need a bath?
Pride will lead to the downfall of Solas.
I will kill Solas in Dragon Age 4, not because I want to, not because I hate him, but because I have to. His path is the path of madness and genocide, and I will not allow the non elven races of Thedas to suffer and die for the sake of the elves. Solas has to be stopped, even if that means killing him.
Does anyone else plan to kill him?
I don't plan to kill him, but I'm preparing myself for the possibility that I'll have to. I don't *want* to, but you're right. He can't be allowed to do what he's planning.
Pride will lead to the downfall of Solas.
...the irony is strong, isn't it.
If you're interested in the views of the man behind the curtain, well I'd like to be able to have Bones quote me his most memorable line.
"Dammit, Jim. I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker!"? 
True, how do you fight, or kill, someone who can turn you to stone instantly?
Probably involving some kind of super weapon or magical device of doom like the *snaps fingers* Sangraal.
A few of my Inkys absolutely do, but a few want to try to save their friend. If you're interested in the views of the man behind the curtain, well I'd like to be able to have Bones quote me his most memorable line.
Care to share?
"Dammit, Jim. I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker!"?
Unless that's it.
"Dammit, Jim. I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker!"?
Okay, you got me there! I was thinking more along the lines of this, though...
P.S. - As regards your line, I personally liked the one he used when treating the horta the most. "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!" IIRC...
P.S. - As regards your line, I personally liked the one he used when treating the horta the most. "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!" IIRC...
*couple of minutes late* My God Jim I am beginning to think I could cure the common cold."
If he's killable I will probably do two playthroughs (well, probably more): one in which I kill him, and one in which I don't.
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P.S. - As regards your line, I personally liked the one he used when treating the horta the most. "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!" IIRC...
Oh, right! That one. lol Bones just has so many. XD
If he's killable I will probably do two playthroughs (well, probably more): one in which I kill him, and one in which I don't.
I might (might) playthrough the scene of killing him just to see it. And then I will immediately reload and not kill him instead. Although if there's a lot of preconditions (or I just can't bring myself to do it, which is likely), I'll just youtube it like I dis the "Turn Fenris over to Danarius" scene. (And even then I still felt guilty. XD)
Well, this Shem's going to do everything to save his idiot arrogant ass, because in another life, he was my friend.
Was he, though? He is a liar, manipulator and user from start to finish, which means any "friendships" he had within the Inquisition are based entirely on false premises and would never have existed otherwise. If they had known who he is, what he plans to do and has already done, they would have gutted him in an instant and good riddance. For me, that deception completely invalidates any positive feelings towards him because the person who I thought was my "friend" never existed. He may have developed a degree of sincere positive feelings of his own towards some of these lesser beings, but he never allowed them any chance to do the same.
I dislike pretty much everything about Trespasser and what it means for my character and my interest in the franchise, so at this point it would take a lot to make me consider playing DA4. If I do end up buying it, though, I cannot imagine any reason not to kill him. And given the heavily pushed poor-lonely-misunderstood-Solas vibe, I resent the notion that killing him will probably be the "evil" path.
Normally I like redemption stories, and despite his many flaws I did like the character I thought Solas was ... but Bioware isn't exactly giving me anything to work with here to get me invested in the possibility of such a redemption story for him.
Was he, though? He is a liar, manipulator and user from start to finish, which means any "friendships" he had within the Inquisition are based entirely on false premises and would never have existed otherwise. If they had known who he is, what he plans to do and has already done, they would have gutted him in an instant and good riddance. For me, that deception completely invalidates any positive feelings towards him because the person who I thought was my "friend" never existed. He may have developed a degree of sincere positive feelings of his own towards some of these lesser beings, but he never allowed them any chance to do the same.
I dislike pretty much everything about Trespasser and what it means for my character and my interest in the franchise, so at this point it would take a lot to make me consider playing DA4. If I do end up buying it, though, I cannot imagine any reason not to kill him. And given the heavily pushed poor-lonely-misunderstood-Solas vibe, I resent the notion that killing him will probably be the "evil" path.
Normally I like redemption stories, and despite his many flaws I did like the character I thought Solas was ... but Bioware isn't exactly giving me anything to work with here to get me invested in the possibility of such a redemption story for him.
Nope, definitely not killing him. He's spent his entire life trying to help people, so I'll do the same for him. He might be about to make a terrible mistake, but he's not doing out of malice or because he doesn't care. He just happens to currently be a bit of a moron about what he thinks is best, though for what I think are understandable reasons.
Besides, the world has the potential to be a better place with him, than without him. He's incredible powerful, and has shown in the past he will go out of his way to help people. The world is a better place with people like that. Killing him, instead of redeeming him, would remove that potential to do good, for the sake of petty revenge.
Nope! Not killing him. I'm going to find another way. I never kill unless there's no option left.
Nope, definitely not killing him. He's spent his entire life trying to help people, so I'll do the same for him. He might be about to make a terrible mistake, but he's not doing out of malice or because he doesn't care. He just happens to currently be a bit of a moron about what he thinks is best, though for what I think are understandable reasons.
Besides, the world has the potential to be a better place with him, than without him. He's incredible powerful, and has shown in the past he will go out of his way to help people. The world is a better place with people like that. Killing him, instead of redeeming him, would remove that potential to do good, for the sake of petty revenge.
How is killing him to stop him from destroying the world and everyone in it "petty revenge"?
I plan to save Solas from himself. If that's not possible, I'm going to stop him. If stopping him means killing him, so be it.
How is killing him to stop him from destroying the world and everyone in it "petty revenge"?
Because the question is redeem or kill. Not "let him destroy the world" or kill.
If there is no option for redemption, killing him is obviously a better choice than not. But if there is a way to stop him by showing him he is wrong and letting him live to affect the world in a positive way, then I can't think of any reason to kill him other than vengeance.
Because the question is redeem or kill. Not "let him destroy the world" or kill.
If there is no option for redemption, killing him is obviously a better choice than not. But if there is a way to stop him by showing him he is wrong and letting him live to affect the world in a positive way, then I can't think of any reason to kill him other than vengeance.
What he is doing can be seen as beyond redemption for many characters and players though. And just because they don't see the redemption path as the right choice doesn't mean all that is left is vengeance. There are dozens of other rationals that work with choosing killing him other redeeming him.
What he is doing can be seen as beyond redemption for many characters and players though. And just because they don't see the redemption path as the right choice doesn't mean all that is left is vengeance. There are dozens of other rationals that work with choosing killing him other redeeming him.
What he is doing can be seen as beyond redemption for many characters and players though. And just because they don't see the redemption path as the right choice doesn't mean all that is left is vengeance. There are dozens of other rationals that work with choosing killing him other redeeming him.
Well, what do you mean by "beyond redemption"? I can see two meanings for that -
1 - You won't be capable of of convincing him he is wrong. In which case, the only option is kill, so the discussion is moot, and I already said that killing him is obviously better than letting him destroy the world.
2 - He doesn't deserve redemption. Which I personally disagree with, but is a perfectly valid opinion to have. However - I think this is irrelevant. If Solas is redeemed, I believe he will go on to help other people who need it. So the world with Solas redeemed is a better world than the one where he is dead. Killing him does less good than redeeming him.
You can of course have your own rational for killing him/saving him, that's just mine. 
I thought the whole choice thing was daft really. I simply want to stop Solas from destroying the world. If I can persuade him not to do so and use his powers to benefit the oppressed and down trodden in the current world then I'll be happy but I'm not going to hold back from killing him if he seems hell bent on going through with his plan. So they are not mutually exclusive actions; just whatever works to prevent Armageddon.
At the moment I am finding it hard to envisage what it is going to take to dissuade him from his plan. He admits that the people he has met deserve better than to end in a fiery death and he has either declared his respect for me or love for me, yet still he intends to press ahead. The only thing I can come up with is that in fact he is himself under some sort of geas that obliges him to do so and the only way to prevent this, would be to break the compulsion. What mitigates against this idea is that his writer maintained that he almost did give up his plan out of love for female Lavellan but then overcame this doubt and proceeded as before because otherwise he would not have been true to himself. This suggests that he is acting entirely of his own free will. Plus, according to Cole, he killed his friend Felassan for the crime of thinking Briala was a person. It is likely that he knew Felassan back in the old days and thus for far longer than the Inquisitor. If he didn't respect the opinion of his old friend and at least give consideration to his ideas about Briala before killing him, why would a recent acquaintance have any more success?
Whenever Solas expresses regret about what he must do or is described as sad about his actions, I keep recalling the Walrus from the tale of the Walrus and the Carpenter. He encourages the oysters to leave the safety of their bed and come for a pleasant stroll along the beach as a pretext so the pair them can eat them. When it becomes apparent what they are going to do, "I weep for you", the Walrus said, "I deeply sympathise. With sobs and tears he sorted out those of the largest size."
Solas problem is that he does believe in good and evil or right and wrong; simply purpose and freedom of thought and action. He thinks he is being kind and benevolent if the people and creatures of Thedas are free and comfortable at the moment of their death. It is very difficult countering such a person.
Was he, though? He is a liar, manipulator and user from start to finish, which means any "friendships" he had within the Inquisition are based entirely on false premises and would never have existed otherwise.
It's not really that simple.
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