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[Illyria]

Was he, though? He is a liar, manipulator and user from start to finish, which means any "friendships" he had within the Inquisition are based entirely on false premises and would never have existed otherwise. If they had known who he is, what he plans to do and has already done, they would have gutted him in an instant and good riddance. For me, that deception completely invalidates any positive feelings towards him because the person who I thought was my "friend" never existed. He may have developed a degree of sincere positive feelings of his own towards some of these lesser beings, but he never allowed them any chance to do the same.

 

I dislike pretty much everything about Trespasser and what it means for my character and my interest in the franchise, so at this point it would take a lot to make me consider playing DA4. If I do end up buying it, though, I cannot imagine any reason not to kill him. And given the heavily pushed poor-lonely-misunderstood-Solas vibe, I resent the notion that killing him will probably be the "evil" path.

 

Normally I like redemption stories, and despite his many flaws I did like the character I thought Solas was ... but Bioware isn't exactly giving me anything to work with here to get me invested in the possibility of such a redemption story for him.

 

It's... really not that simple.  Nothing about Solas is.

 

The man we met in Inquisition is the 'real' Solas.  The Dread Wolf is just a mask he wears to make the tough decisions easier to make.  Trespasser made it very clear that DAI was the first time he'd been allowed to be himself since before the rebellion.  This is another theme presant in Inquisition - look at the Inquisitor.  Even if she denies being the Herald of Andraste that is what she is the people of Thedas.  The Inquisitor is a symbol as much as she is a person.

 

Life is Strange is the most recent event that heavily enforces this

 

Spoiler

I wiped out a town to save Chloe, and killed my canon Hawke to save Alistair.

I'm pretty prepared for any tough choices DAI can throw at me for when it comes to redeeming Solas.

[Mlady]

It's... really not that simple.  Nothing about Solas is.

 

The man we met in Inquisition is the 'real' Solas.  The Dread Wolf is just a mask he wears to make the tough decisions easier to make.  Trespasser made it very clear that DAI was the first time he'd been allowed to be himself since before the rebellion.  This is another theme presant in Inquisition - look at the Inquisitor.  Even if she denies being the Herald of Andraste that is what she is the people of Thedas.  The Inquisitor is a symbol as much as she is a person.

 

 

Spoiler

I wiped out a town to save Chloe, and killed my canon Hawke to save Alistair.

I'm pretty prepared for any tough choices DAI can throw at me for when it comes to redeeming Solas.

 

Spoiler

After seeing it recently I played it, and I tried both, but felt more empty with the town saved. I feel that despite her death was meant to be, Arcadia was a mess that just bound to blow itself up someday on its own. What made it hard is her begging me to save her mother. It was so hard to decide when she did that.

[Illyria]

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After seeing it recently I played it, and I tried both, but felt more empty with the town saved. I feel that despite her death was meant to be, Arcadia was a mess that just bound to blow itself up someday on its own. What made it hard is her begging me to save her mother. It was so hard to decide when she did that.

 

Spoiler

I can't agree with using more timetravel to fix the mistake she made with timetravel.  It's likely just going to keep making things worse.  The game kept telling me 'this action will have consequences'.  Well, I took the consequences.

Plus, there's a chance a lot of people surived (the town itself was doomed anyway). After playing LIS and choosing Chloe over Arcadia Bay I actually got a lot more insight into how Solas must feel, and why he takes the actions he's taking. Like I said before, if he was the player character what he's doing wouldn't even be an issue to most people.

[Ariella]

Life is Strange is the most recent event that heavily enforces this

 

I keep seeing it everywhere but haven't played it yet. Maybe for the holidays...

 

But from what I heard about it, that makes sense.

 

I'm just glad it's a choice I don't have to make in real life. I'd suck.

[AresKeith]

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People saving Chloe? ew

 

[Ariella]

It's... really not that simple.  Nothing about Solas is.

 

The man we met in Inquisition is the 'real' Solas.  The Dread Wolf is just a mask he wears to make the tough decisions easier to make.  Trespasser made it very clear that DAI was the first time he'd been allowed to be himself since before the rebellion.  This is another theme presant in Inquisition - look at the Inquisitor.  Even if she denies being the Herald of Andraste that is what she is the people of Thedas.  The Inquisitor is a symbol as much as she is a person.

 

Hell, Harding even says as much at the end of Jaws of Hakkon. That it makes the Inquisitor seem more than a person, and less.

[Mlady]

Spoiler

I can't agree with using more timetravel to fix the mistake she made with timetravel.  It's likely just going to keep making things worse.  The game kept telling me 'this action will have consequences'.  Well, I took the consequences.

Plus, there's a chance a lot of people surived (the town itself was doomed anyway). After playing LIS and choosing Chloe over Arcadia Bay I actually got a lot more insight into how Solas must feel, and why he takes the actions he's taking. Like I said before, if he was the player character what he's doing wouldn't even be an issue to most people.

 

OMG I did too! That game actually helped me see Solas differently and really put myself in his situation.

 

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When Chole said "what we had was real" I almost did a double-take too lol

[Illyria]

Spoiler

People saving Chloe? ew

 

 

And I want to redeem Solas.  There's clearly no hope for me.

 

OMG I did too! That game actually helped me see Solas differently and really put myself in his situation.

 

Spoiler

When Chole said "what we had was real" I almost did a double-take too lol

 

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Yeah - post Trespasser made it hard to like Solas and I get why people want to kill him (although I don't like people reducing his character to 'he is evil. Must stabkill' because that is doing a major disservice to Weekes). LIS helps put you in his (lack of) shoes, though.

[Ariella]

I honestly realized that Solas' conflict can be distilled into what he says after the Arbor Wilds and you respond that you'd make things better:

 

"What if it isn't? What if you wake up to find that the future you shaped is worse than what was?"

 

And that's the crux of it. What do you do?

[Mlady]

I honestly realized that Solas' conflict can be distilled into what he says after the Arbor Wilds and you respond that you'd make things better:

 

"What if it isn't? What if you wake up to find that the future you shaped is worse than what was?"

 

And that's the crux of it. What do you do?

 

My reply was I keep trying until I make it better because we can't change the past... yeah... he was too happy with that reply.

[Boost32]

I will kill Solas in Dragon Age 4, not because I want to, not because I hate him, but because I have to. His path is the path of madness and genocide, and I will not allow the non elven races of Thedas to suffer and die for the sake of the elves. Solas has to be stopped, even if that means killing him.[/size]
 
Does anyone else plan to kill him?[/size]

Yes, I plan to kill him too.

Solas is a megalomaniacal on the loose, thousand of peoples died because of his actions and more will die because of him. He has to pay for his crimes and I would never risk the fate of the world to try to save a madman.

[Illyria]

Yes, I plan to kill him too.

Solas is a megalomaniacal on the loose, thousand of peoples died because of his actions and more will die because of him. He has to pay for his crimes and I would never risk the fate of the world to try to save a madman.

 

And this is what I meant by 'disservice to Weekes.'

 

If that's truely all you got from his character then I'm sorry for you.

[Boost32]

And this is what I meant by 'disservice to Weekes.'

If that's truely all you got from his character then I'm sorry for you.

Because sane people want to destroy the world and help a Darkspawn magister, right?

And no, it is not all I got from his character, but its the most important part.

And you dont need to feel sorry for me, I dont care for what you think about me.

[ModernAcademic]

I was going to murder that bald headed bastard, but what if there's an even worse threat to Thedas in DA4?

 

Here's my plan: throw Solas against the new villain. Let them tear each other apart and protect the innocent caught in the crossfire. Whoever comes out alive will have to deal with the Qunari hordes invading the South.

 

Should everything go wrong, just flee to Rivain, change your name and become a pirate, Isabela style. Nobody needs to know.

[Illyria]

Because same people want to destroy the world and help a Darkspawn magister, right?

And no, it is not all I got from his character, but its the most important part.

 

And his character is so much more complex than that.

 

Sorry if I sounded harsh before but I was just saying that I don't mind people wanting to kil him (because I can see where they're coming from) it's the reducing of his character to 'he's evil. Must stabkill' that I dislike.

 

Solas has woken up in what is basically a post-apocalyptic world.  The people he attempted to save are now worse off than they were in his time, and dying out.  Demons are created because they're torn through the veil he created.  Are you saying that if you were in Solas' shoes you wouldn't do everything in your power to fix your mistakes?  What he's doing is terrible, and he needs to be stopped, but his desire is to save his people.  Dialogue with Cole implies that there are people trapped and this is who he's trying to save (and 'the People, they need me' line at the end of the base game supports this).

 

The most important part of Solas character is he cares so deeply about the world, and that he is conflicted over his duty to his people, and what he personally wants (we see Solas as a person and The Dread Wolf simultaneously, like we get to see the Herald as both a symbol and a person throughout DAI) and this is especially true with a romanced!Solas - the only time he considers giving up on his mission.

[Ariella]

And this is what I meant by 'disservice to Weekes.'

 

If that's truely all you got from his character then I'm sorry for you.

 

He's baiting you, Illyria. I have Boost in my ignore file for very good reason.

[Aren]

I prefer to talk to people,especially if they didn't yet fulfilled their plans.

Who knows maybe i'm mad and i want to try to use my diplomatic skills first.

[Boost32]

And his character is so much more complex than that.
 
Sorry if I sounded harsh before but I was just saying that I don't mind people wanting to kil him (because I can see where they're coming from) it's the reducing of his character to 'he's evil. Must stabkill' that I dislike.
 
Solas has woken up in what is basically a post-apocalyptic world.  The people he attempted to save are now worse off than they were in his time, and dying out.  Demons are created because they're torn through the veil he created.  Are you saying that if you were in Solas' shoes you wouldn't do everything in your power to fix your mistakes?  What he's doing is terrible, and he needs to be stopped, but his desire is to save his people.  Dialogue with Cole implies that there are people trapped and this is who he's trying to save (and 'the People, they need me' line at the end of the base game supports this).
 
The most important part of Solas character is he cares so deeply about the world, and that he is conflicted over his duty to his people, and what he personally wants (we see Solas as a person and The Dread Wolf simultaneously, like we get to see the Herald as both a symbol and a person throughout DAI) and this is especially true with a romanced!Solas - the only time he considers giving up on his mission.

I dont said he is evil, I said he is insane. I'm not judging his character in a black and white morality.

He helped Corypheus rise to power and only helped the Inquisition because his plan went wrong. He shares the blame for the Breach's creation, people died, suffered and lost everything because of it, to me they deserve justice and in my opinion he should be punished with the harshest punishment.

I do believe his friendship after he started to see others as people was real, I believe he is deeply conflicted and he truly feel bad because of it. But his actions speak louder to me, what he is trying to do is abominable, dont fool yourself if you think he will not provoke more deaths after you can talk him down, so I will not try to save him, I dont think he deserves it.

[Aren]

I will kill Solas in Dragon Age 4, not because I want to, not because I hate him, but because I have to. His path is the path of madness and genocide, and I will not allow the non elven races of Thedas to suffer and die for the sake of the elves. Solas has to be stopped, even if that means killing him.

 

Does anyone else plan to kill him?

[Robert Cousland]

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That is dangerously black and white

Doesn't mean it isn't true.

 

It was Shepard's duty to ensure that the bomb went off on Virmire, and she sacrificed a friend to do it. Does that make their friendship any less?

Don't get me started on the stupidity that was the Virmire choice. 

 

Gandalf knew he was most likely sending Frodo to his death, even though they were close, because the survival of the whole of Middle Earth was more important than one person.

I recall Gandalf not wanting Frodo to do it, but when Frodo volunteered he joined him to help protect him. 

[AresKeith]

 

Doesn't mean it isn't true.

 

Because it's not true, at least not always 

 

[Ariella]

 

Doesn't mean it isn't true.

 

Don't get me started on the stupidity that was the Virmire choice. 

 

I recall Gandalf not wanting Frodo to do it, but when Frodo volunteered he joined him to help protect him. 

 

 

 

Stupid or not, does it make it any less. Was Shepard less of a friend because she did her duty as an officer?

 

Gandalf knew it was going to come to that. There wasn't any other way, though he wanted there to be. Who else could bear the Ring?

 

And AresKeith is right. The world is rarely black and white, us and them. Seeing it that way can be VERY dangerous indeed.

[Illyria]

 

Doesn't mean it isn't true.

 

Don't get me started on the stupidity that was the Virmire choice. 

 

I recall Gandalf not wanting Frodo to do it, but when Frodo volunteered he joined him to help protect him. 

 

 

What's the problem with the Virmire choice?

[dawnstone]

I will kill Solas in Dragon Age 4, not because I want to, not because I hate him, but because I have to. His path is the path of madness and genocide, and I will not allow the non elven races of Thedas to suffer and die for the sake of the elves. Solas has to be stopped, even if that means killing him.

 

Does anyone else plan to kill him?

Meh, I have one female elf rogue who is going to try to save him, and one male elf rogue who is going to kill him, based entirely on how well they got along. That may change depending on what actually happens in DA4.

 

I don't think Solas is insane, he's trying to fix a mistake he made, and I believe, trying to get his surviving people into a better position for something worse that's coming. He has told you what he's going to do, whether he likes you or hates you - basically go take a vacation and wait for the endtimes, or get up off your ass there's going to be a fight, and you need to be prepared if you want to save your people.

 

His people are his responsibility, your people are yours. He's not leaving you blind and ignorant to what is coming, which is a lot more than he had to do if he really wanted you dead.

 

Honestly, I'm worried about Valta and her Titan, and all the unknowns they present. The Titan is awake, and acting through her, likely to wake the other Titans. Which may require removing the Veil. I predict that if Solas doesn't do it, Valta will. With an entire Titan's worth of lyrium behind her there's not much that can get in her way - except maybe a former Evanuris who knows how to kill Titans... like Solas.

 

 Thedas is pretty much screwed, from above, from below, I guess we'll just have to wait and watch.