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[katamuro]

Finally did a complete playthrough with all dlc, started a second one with a mage and I am realizing that this version of Leliana so far is the most attractive I have seen in the games. I understand why they made her a non-romancable character but still I wish there was something like the Morrigans story for Leliana in DAI

[straykat]

Finally did a complete playthrough with all dlc, started a second one with a mage and I am realizing that this version of Leliana so far is the most attractive I have seen in the games. I understand why they made her a non-romancable character but still I wish there was something like the Morrigans story for Leliana in DAI

 

I thought she got more content than Morrigan (and Alistair). What do you mean?

[katamuro]

Well my first playthrough was with a live warden that romanced morrigan, my second is with dead warden that romanced Leliana and in both of those situations Leliana didn't really have much content aside from being a spymaster. 

Also doesn't it seem a bit weird  that out of 4 advisors, 3 are romancable but Leliana isn't? You can't even flirt with her like you can do with Harding. 

[Dai Grepher]

I think this is the game where a Leliana romance would have made the most sense. They should have made one for her. If she was in a romance with the Hero, then have her cheat. Or decide not to, based on how awesome the Inquisitor is.

[straykat]

Well my first playthrough was with a live warden that romanced morrigan, my second is with dead warden that romanced Leliana and in both of those situations Leliana didn't really have much content aside from being a spymaster. 

Also doesn't it seem a bit weird  that out of 4 advisors, 3 are romancable but Leliana isn't? You can't even flirt with her like you can do with Harding. 

 

I think your dead Warden playthrough really fits with her character in general. You could see all of her change in character, in light of that, I think?

 

Other than that, she's also a potential Divine.. that's pretty huge compared to any Morrigan content. She's also one with a moral angle that Viv/Cass don't have. You could really change what brand of Divine she is.

 

She also has a role in everything related to Dragon Age (except Stolen Throne and Calling). I don't think there's a character out there with more content.

[katamuro]

 

She also has a role in everything related to Dragon Age (except Stolen Throne and Calling). I don't think there's a character out there with more content.

 

I wasn't talking about content as in all the story bits more like the romantic/personal things. But yeah she is quite important and is by far one of my favourite characters in DAI. And yeah the dead warden romance thing really does suit the world and the warden if he romanced Leliana. 

 

 

I think this is the game where a Leliana romance would have made the most sense. They should have made one for her. If she was in a romance with the Hero, then have her cheat. Or decide not to, based on how awesome the Inquisitor is.

 

Yeah she seems more rounded as a character in DAI than in DAO. In fact I think it would have been a great romance subplot if she didn't get romanced in DAO but in DAI the Inquisitor has to get through her defences, make her open up again. its like we get to see Leliana at one of her most awesome times and yet we don't to be awesome together. It would have made so much sense, Inquisitor and his/her faithful spymaster. 

[straykat]

I wasn't talking about content as in all the story bits more like the romantic/personal things. But yeah she is quite important and is by far one of my favourite characters in DAI. And yeah the dead warden romance thing really does suit the world and the warden if he romanced Leliana. 

 

 

 

Yeah she seems more rounded as a character in DAI than in DAO. In fact I think it would have been a great romance subplot if she didn't get romanced in DAO but in DAI the Inquisitor has to get through her defences, make her open up again. its like we get to see Leliana at one of her most awesome times and yet we don't to be awesome together. It would have made so much sense, Inquisitor and his/her faithful spymaster. 

 

I think at this point she's a Killer Nun. She's focused on other things. So no romance can still make sense.

 

But that's also why I prefer my sacrificed Warden. It ties it all together.

[AresKeith]

I think this is the game where a Leliana romance would have made the most sense. They should have made one for her. If she was in a romance with the Hero, then have her cheat. Or decide not to, based on how awesome the Inquisitor is.

 

How?

[Dancing_Dolphin]

I remember seeing somewhere that if a character was a LI in a previous game the devs won't make that same character available as a LI in future games. I believe it was Aaryn Flynn who said it, but I'm not sure if he was just talking about DA:I, or all games.

[katamuro]

Yeah I get it why they did that and I am not one of those "ARRGH ME WANT ROMANCE LELIANA", I am just saying that because in DAI she is the best Leliana out of all the games it would have been cool to have that. 

[straykat]

Yeah I get it why they did that and I am not one of those "ARRGH ME WANT ROMANCE LELIANA", I am just saying that because in DAI she is the best Leliana out of all the games it would have been cool to have that. 

 

Fair enough. I still like her from DAO more, but she's definitely better looking.

 

I'm not a fan of this game really, but I'm impressed that they managed to kill 3 birds (or more) with one stone by writing her story this way. She works well if you romanced her before, works as a grumpy Sister who just focuses on the Chantry, works if you killed her at the Temple, etc..

 

They could have easily screwed it all up, but it all kind of works for me.

[Dai Grepher]

How?

 

Well, she's hardly in DA2, so that's obvious. But in DA:O she was just coming out of an abusive relationship. She was searching for herself. A purpose. She was clingy and fragile. She first clung to Dorthea, and then to the Chantry. Even there she was conflicted. Thinking the Maker spoke to her through happenstance and a dream. She liked the attention it got her. She was really still very childish in this game.

 

My M!Cousland easily caught her eye as well as Morrigan's. They fought over him even though he showed no interest in a romance with either of them. Morrigan was quite childish as well. Anyway, when she confessed her love for him he felt that she was just trying to cling to another relationship for stability in her own life. He felt that what she truly need most at that time was not another sexual relationship, or even a romantic one, but what she needed most was a friend to lean on, but not carry her. And I think this turned out well at the end of Origins as well as 2 and Inquisition. She decided to serve the Chantry and look for purpose there. She was set on the moral path, but walking the path was still a choice for her to make alone in order to grow as a person and discover herself.

 

In Inquisition she has made that choice for the most part. She has walked a shadowy path in the name of the greater good. Justinia's death has shaken her faith. I believe this makes more sense in a world state where she was not romanced. If she had been, then the Hero would be able to provide some kind of hope or solace in that dark time. It sort of cheapens the relationship if she can resort to being cold that quickly. It's like all you did to help her in Origins is negated. So, she should be feeling pretty alone in Inquisition, as if the Maker himself isn't even there for her anymore (which is what she implies in her prayer in Haven).

 

So I think this is a much better time to romance her. She has matured, and while she still has some faith, she is not naïve and childish about it anymore. She has also come into her own as a spy, and not just some amateurish bard who works for a duplicitous mistress. She is the mistress now, with several people under her. As Oghren would say... "H-hhhot!"

[straykat]

She wasn't an amateur-ish bard. She had already mastered the "game" and was dealing in international politics.

 

 

As for the rest, I think you're just injecting your own headcanon about "clinging". There's nothing in the game about that.

[Dai Grepher]

She wasn't an amateur-ish bard. She had already mastered the "game" and was dealing in international politics.

 

 

As for the rest, I think you're just injecting your own headcanon about "clinging". There's nothing in the game about that.

 

No she hadn't! Or did you miss the part about Marjolaine playing her like a lute? She was not part of the Chantry officially at that time, and she hadn't even met Josephine yet!

 

She certainly was clingy, and dependent. She can even put aside the Warden poisoning Andraste's ashes in order to hold on to the relationship.

 

And if she is in a romance, you get a letter from the Hero telling you to please encourage Leliana to stay on the moral path because she still struggles or whatever. Again, she needs someone to help define her. How lame is that?

[TheBlackAdder13]

And if she is in a romance, you get a letter from the Hero telling you to please encourage Leliana to stay on the moral path because she still struggles or whatever. Again, she needs someone to help define her. How lame is that?

 

By this logic -- almost every Dragon Age companion needs someone to "define" them.

[Wulfram]

I find Leliana for most of the game rather dull. Then she lurches into one of two badly written caricatures at the end. Then gets a bit better for Trespasser.

I didn't think the romance was well handled, at least if the Warden was alive. It just feels like bland fanservice that's directed squarely at the player rather than giving any sense that it was part of a natural conversation with the Inquisitor, and it fits poorly with her overall story. At least if the Warden lived, dead romanced warden works much better.

[katamuro]

I find Leliana for most of the game rather dull. Then she lurches into one of two badly written caricatures at the end. Then gets a bit better for Trespasser.

I didn't think the romance was well handled, at least if the Warden was alive. It just feels like bland fanservice that's directed squarely at the player rather than giving any sense that it was part of a natural conversation with the Inquisitor, and it fits poorly with her overall story. At least if the Warden lived, dead romanced warden works much better.

 

See I thought that a warden with the kind of character who would romance leliana and would be all goody good would also be the one who would go to his death rather than rely on a sex-ritual or send someone else in his place. Which is how I made it. Which is why I think it would have been a great place for a romance, but not the kind of "he/she IS THE ONE" but the kind of mutual acceptance, one where both Inquisitor and spymaster find someone they can trust and rely on fully. A mature romance. Of course I haven no idea if bioware is actually capable of doing it that way. So far both Cassandra's and Josephine's romances felt as if they lacked something. 

[TheBlackAdder13]

See I thought that a warden with the kind of character who would romance leliana and would be all goody good would also be the one who would go to his death rather than rely on a sex-ritual or send someone else in his place. Which is how I made it. Which is why I think it would have been a great place for a romance, but not the kind of "he/she IS THE ONE" but the kind of mutual acceptance, one where both Inquisitor and spymaster find someone they can trust and rely on fully. A mature romance. Of course I haven no idea if bioware is actually capable of doing it that way. So far both Cassandra's and Josephine's romances felt as if they lacked something. 

 

My warden was a goody good who romanced Leliana but ultimately he was scared shitless of being a warden and dying early (hence why he kept Avernus alive and had him continue his experiments "ethically") and Alistair kept insisting that he be the one to kill the arch demon so ultimately he let him go for it but felt bad about it. (Plus the calculating part of him also agreed with Alistair that Anora would be a better monarch than Alistair).

[katamuro]

My warden was a goody good who romanced Leliana but ultimately he was scared shitless of being a warden and dying early (hence why he kept Avernus alive and had him continue his experiments "ethically") and Alistair kept insisting that he be the one to kill the arch demon so ultimately he let him go for it but felt bad about it. (Plus the calculating part of him also agreed with Alistair that Anora would be a better monarch than Alistair).

 

My warden usually ends up getting Alistair to marry anora anyway but executes Loghain. I wish there was an equally "humorous" options in dialogue to what we got in DA2 with Hawke. I just can't resist making him into a smartass and romancing Isabella. That is the thing with DAI so far, half way through my second playthrough and I still can't decide which options I like best in DAI. And they were so clear in both DAO and DA2. 

[Dai Grepher]

By this logic -- almost every Dragon Age companion needs someone to "define" them.

 

No, because they don't have a letter stating that they need someone to help them stay on whatever path. Any other character that you help or affect one way or the other just has it happen naturally without any explanation. Like how you affect someone in real life based on how you influence them with either encouragement or criticism.
 

[introverted_assassin]

I don't get where you're coming from. If Leliana is romanced and she gets that letter from the Warden...it's her LOVER...being concerned...like a lover should be...knowing what she's been through. that's not a good example of her co-dependent issues(notice that I acknowledge that she does have them).

[Dai Grepher]

See I thought that a warden with the kind of character who would romance leliana and would be all goody good would also be the one who would go to his death rather than rely on a sex-ritual or send someone else in his place. Which is how I made it. Which is why I think it would have been a great place for a romance, but not the kind of "he/she IS THE ONE" but the kind of mutual acceptance, one where both Inquisitor and spymaster find someone they can trust and rely on fully. A mature romance. Of course I haven no idea if bioware is actually capable of doing it that way. So far both Cassandra's and Josephine's romances felt as if they lacked something. 

 

Eh, you forget about Loghain though. My Hero, the M!Cousland I wrote about above, was noble and moral. He spared Loghain for several goody-good reasons, and allowed him to redeem himself against the Archdemon. So I think a goody-good might spare Loghain for moral reasons that Leliana would agree with (especially if a Cousland or Tabris who can show an unfathomable capacity for forgiveness). Also no Dark Ritual necessary. But I agree Leliana's attitude in Inquisition is better explained under the condition that the romanced Hero died, rather than lived.

 

I also agree that the DA:I romance would have to be mature and clearheaded. No silly concepts of being in love or infatuation that causes irrationality. Just two companions being together, sharing each other's pain and multiplying each other's joy. I would have also liked to see them choose to have the relationship public or keep things private. Like it exists only for them any no one else.

 

I think Anora's had all the makings of a mature romance, though the storyline can hardly be called one. Still, my King Cousland pulled it off perfect, as far as he was able to. Saved Anora, said all the right things, surrendered to Cauthrien to allow Anora's escape, showed relief that Anora was alright upon returning, set up the joint rule business, won the Landsmeet ten times over with her support, bested her father (the example she uses to measure all men), accepted his surrender and gave him a second chance even at the cost of Alistair's disdain, let Loghain redeem himself, and then he stuck around to help rebuild and rule until Awakening, then after saving Amaranthine he returned to court. Anora makes romantic references, but I realize this isn't a full out romance storyline. But for what it is, it's a mature one.

 

I think Cassandra's romance was good. I also think it was mature. I mean, she's like around 40, so it better be. She was the one with the defenses that had to be eased through. She liked silly romance, but in a fun way. Basically she liked a man who could express feelings in specific circumstances that were safe to her. I also like that you could do the opposite of what she wanted all throughout the game and she still loved the Inquisitor regardless, and she doesn't ever bring it up as a negative. If that isn't mature, I don't know what is. My male human mage conscripted templars, secured the 3-way deadlock in Orlais, kept the Wardens, and at least completed the ritual in the Temple of Mythal, though he did not drink of the Well. And while he did not take any position on being the Herald or not until learning the truth (and then told the world the truth that he was not the Herald of Andraste), he did believe in the Maker and appreciated Cass thinking the Maker sent him. He also said he was the Maker's chosen before fighting Corypheus. So I think Cass' romance worked very well and was plenty mature. Just wish there was more of it in Trespasser.

[Dai Grepher]

I don't get where you're coming from. If Leliana is romanced and she gets that letter from the Warden...it's her LOVER...being concerned...like a lover should be...knowing what she's been through. that's not a good example of her co-dependent issues(notice that I acknowledge that she does have them).

 

I'm not referring to her lover sending a letter to her. The Hero sends a letter to the Inquisitor asking him/her to basically encourage Leliana toward the good path because she has trouble staying on that path or whatever.

[leaguer of one]

I think your dead Warden playthrough really fits with her character in general. You could see all of her change in character, in light of that, I think?
 
Other than that, she's also a potential Divine.. that's pretty huge compared to any Morrigan content. She's also one with a moral angle that Viv/Cass don't have. You could really change what brand of Divine she is.
 
She also has a role in everything related to Dragon Age (except Stolen Throne and Calling). I don't think there's a character out there with more content.

She's not in any of the comics.

[Qun00]

Yeah I get it why they did that and I am not one of those "ARRGH ME WANT ROMANCE LELIANA", I am just saying that because in DAI she is the best Leliana out of all the games it would have been cool to have that.

Yeah, she's badass as hell now.

The mysterious spymaster who is feared by everyone.