How would your Dalish Warden react to the news?
#1
Posté 03 novembre 2015 - 10:43
And while we're at it, what would s/he think of all these elves currently travelling to meet Fen'harel?
Just... try to focus on the character's point of view rather than your personal opinion.
#2
Posté 03 novembre 2015 - 10:51
Even though he's very pro-elf, he would find Solas' plans troubling, as he has friends among humans and his lover is Leliana.
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#3
Posté 03 novembre 2015 - 10:53
The Evanuris - devastated initially because her faith would be shattered, but she'd get over it because she was more passively religious than anything deep. She was never really on board with the backward looking part of Dalish culture - she'd rather focus on the current one. She'd probably want to go be with her people to try and help them deal with it, try to work out how to fill the place of the gods in Dalish culture - assuming that is that these revelations have spread widely, she'd probably feel that they'd be better off believing the lie if it were possible - she'd probably tell Marethari about it if Marethari was alive, but I don't think there's anyone Dalish she has the right relationship with nowadays.
How she feels about people going to join Fen'harel depends how much those people know about his plans. She'd hope they were just dupes thinking that Fen'harel will simply win them a homeland rather than people willing to go along with atrocity.
#5
Posté 03 novembre 2015 - 11:06
The vallaslin's meaning, Mythal, the Evanuris and all the rest.
And while we're at it, what would s/he think of all these elves currently travelling to meet Fen'harel?
Just... try to focus on the character's point of view rather than your personal opinion.
Yeah...not utterly impressed by a version of things that comes from that most reputable source...Fen'Harel. She's gonna need more corroboration.
#6
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 01:00
I think she would shrug and then internally scream. If she knew of Solas plans she would do what she could to kill him, not caring to ask any questions or try to understand his standpoint. She might even be willing to fight the Dalish Inquisitor to get through to him, since she intends to redeem him. My Dalish Warden is not really the type that beleives in fluff like that.
#7
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 01:13
My Dalish Warden wasn't very Pro-Dalish, not even getting their Vallaslin, so would probably laugh at the revelations while also feeling sympathy for those who were supporters of them. As for the elves following Solas, would try to stop as many as they could from making that mistake.
#8
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 01:21
My Dalish Inquisitor would feel at a loss. Everything the Dalish believed, the very things that identify them as a people are all based on a past that they did not understand. And worse of all, it was a past that was now threatening their very existence. What should he do? Who should he tell? Should he say anything at all?
My Inquisitor would remain in his position to ensure he has the power to help his clan and people when needed. However, during the next Arlathvhen, when many of the clans gather, my Inquisitor would plan to be there to give an account of what transpired. And maybe, just maybe, the Dalish could prepare themselves to face the Dread Wolf and his machinations - if it is not already too late.
After that, well - maybe free of a past they did not understand the Dalish could find a new purpose in this world. Maybe even a new home.
Perhaps the Eluvians are the key to a new elven homeland? I'm sure Merrill would just love that....
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#9
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 02:45
My Dalish Warden would probably flip a table. Figuratively. She hates anyone who isn't an elf, and even other elves got on her nerves. So I think she would start a killing spree, if she didn't break down with rage or confusion. I'm not sure if she would kill elves on a killing spree, but she'd be attacking someone. She thinks elves are better than everyone else - especially humans - so finding out that they're no better than Tevinter would not make her less infuriating to be around.
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#10
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 04:54
Vallaslin - he would laugh at the irony, and consider how impressive and empowering it is that the elves managed to reclaim the tattoos and transform them. He would totally keep them on and encourage others to not commit the defeatist act of removing them.
Evanuris - his faith would be shaken but not broken. He would not be surprised that they were fickle beings since they were never claimed not to be. He would be disappointed that they did not live up the idealized versions and best aspects that the Dalish appealed to.
elves joining Solas - he would understand why they flock to him. But he would be skeptical of almost everything about him.
#11
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 05:03
My boyfriend's CE Warden (and he told me this, so I'm not making this up) would have joined Solas in a heartbeat, even if his plan means the destruction of modern elves along with the rest of the shemlen. "Kamikaze strike", he called it. He was a very anti-human CE. The way he thought, the ancient elven civilization came first and without the artificial construct of the Veil, therefore it's more "natural" and... better? Superior because it came before? His Warden took Morrigan's ritual deal so that he could survive the archdemon and continue to fight on behalf of the elves, proving to the evil shemlen overlords that elves can do great things, so I can see how helping Solas would simply be the same desire on a grander scale.
As for the revelations about ancient elven culture, I don't think he would have cared. The actual origin of the vallaslin wouldn't surprise him, since he considers everything that allegedly happened long ago (he's mainly talking about the history of Thedas as it's portrayed in the Chant of Light) to be questionable at best. Of course things would be misremembered. Plus, he never really cared for the Dalish disdain for city elves. The humans were more than willing to treat them all equally badly, so they should band together. All it would take to convince him (even though he wouldn't need convincing) is Solas talking enthusiastically about how good Mythal was and how bad the rest of them were, which we know he likes to do.
#12
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 05:06
I played the Dalish Warden as someone who slowly warmed up to the Chantry. So they wouldn't mind, I think.
#13
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 05:08
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#14
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 05:41
I don't have one, All human on my end.
#15
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 08:45
Well, for starters my Inquisitor would ask his LI (Leli in my case) about, "how good are you in quelling his anger/rage/confusion/denial/the not so good aspects of his emotions?"
Then :
1. Droped the news on him
2. Leave. What ever his bad reactions are, he's Leli's problem now
I imagined it would shaken him up quite a bit, like somebody would have swept the rug from under his feet. And Darth Vader's expression of "NOOoooooo...!!!" Pretty much sums up his feelings.
He'd probably:
1. Firstly entertain the probability of joining an elven deity and thought that whatever the cost for Elven Glory and 'restoring' the world to it's 'natural state' might just be worth the cost. He's tired of elven being under the thumb of the humans (dalish or CE)
2. Valaslin : So I'm a slave to Mythal (his choice of valaslin) she's alive, kicking and I'd be honored should she ever consider me as one of her follower (in what ever capacity)
3. Then think about the impending death of the millions, the lives he helped save, the world he helped shaped. Then began to think hard about the Evanuris on how they used to live and thought about the uglier aspect of Tevinter slavery.
Thoughts roam on the faces of those he'd hold dear, battle bond that goes beyond clan and kin and realize the err of his first thought. And lastly he knew, that his heart will always sings for the Nightingale.
4. Looking up to the new world state: Dalish Inquisitor and Comtes of Kirkwall, married her commander (maybe it's about high time he presents Leliana with a promise ring, hmn?) she is also BFF with Divine Victoria, Briala is the new Marqueese of the Dales and Wycome seemes to be doing great. He hopes that there will be more Wycomes in the future.
This is the idealistic and harder path. But now he girds himself in trully becoming Dalish: Never Again Shall We Submit. To any form of opression and the idea of mass destruction. Who knows, maybe one day the world will return to a time where humans and elves can coexist in peace and harmony again (indicated by the ruins he found with Tamlen)
#16
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 08:48
My City Elf... Doesn't have Vallaslin, obviously. Likely along the lines of "Well, that went better than expected."
As for Solas' plans, she would likely try to stop him, because she still loves King Alistair. Who isn't Hardened, by the way.
#17
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 09:09
He would laugh at the irony that his vallaslin is of Mythal, and that Mythal was Flemeth and that he killed her for the love of Morrigan.
As for the elven pantheon, he would be shaken because despite living among humans since he left his clan, he never cared for the Chantry or the Maker, proud Dalish to the core and claiming to be wherever he goes, I'm sure he'll have a serious talk about all this with Morrigan and perhaprs, with my Dalish Inquisitor if one day they meet each others, especially regarding Solas and the eluvians, especially the eluvians, the reason that he became what he is now : Grey Warden and HoF.
#18
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 09:24
Unlike my Lavellens who consider the meaning their markings have now to be as important, if not more, as past meanings, Mahariel would want to rip them from her skin. Discovering that her gods weren't gods, but mages with slaves, would devastate her. Eventually that pain would transform into to rage and she'd want to hunt down and kill Fen'harel, because both in the Dalish tales and in the truth as he sees it, he's responsible for mass devastation, so either way the Dread Wolf must die. If she ever did manage to kill him she wouldn't know how to deal with the fact that it didn't make her feel any better.
#19
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 09:35
I did have a dalish warden; she wasn't my canon but I did that playthrough.
I don't know how inclined she'd be to believe any of it, even if it came from the horses' mouths. Coming to grips with the fact that she killed Mythal, even if she got better later, would be a challenge. If Solas was capable of convincing her that he was the Dread Wolf and not just some madman, she'd be disinclined to believe anything else he said, given that the Dread Wolf is a trickster and a liar.
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#20
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 09:47
"After all the **** I've seen, I am not even surprised."
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#21
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 10:09
My Warden Surana who romanced Morrigan and did the Dark Ritual would be more worried about whatever it is Flemeth did to Kieran and how that will affect him. Other than that, after killing two "gods" (Urthemiel and Flemeth), the Dread Wolf is just another target.
#22
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 10:15
Lyna Mahariel: "Meh" (returns to ruin peoples' lives)
#23
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 10:38
Screw everyone else, and Solas too for his stupid plan for unleashing said toddlers back into the world.
#24
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 03:44
Arrow to the Egg! ![]()
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#25
Posté 04 novembre 2015 - 05:38
The vallaslin's meaning, Mythal, the Evanuris and all the rest.
And while we're at it, what would s/he think of all these elves currently travelling to meet Fen'harel?
Just... try to focus on the character's point of view rather than your personal opinion.
My character is a severely autistic hunter who thinks of little else except tinkering with, building, and then going out to hunt with traps.
She likes living with the Dalish insofar as it allows her to travel through the forests, enjoy the scenery, and hunt for game. While she likes and feels more comfortable with Dalish than anyone else (since they are her people), she's not an automaton who blindly believes the rhetoric. (But then, no Dalish are.)
If told that vallaslin used to be slave markings, she'd probably at first feel very irritated and start scratching at her face, furious that she got "tricked" into put a mark of bondage on herself when she likes freedom best. But over time I think it'd sink in that the mark doesn't have any practical power (it's not like it's a literal slave marking with a literal slave master she has to bow to), and she's already a "slave" to the Grey Wardens anyway, so it's small beans by comparison. She'd eventually settle down and it'd mean no more to her than the knots in her hair.
Mythal and the Evanuris wouldn't surprise her because, shock, the Dalish never claimed they had the absolute truth of the past, just that they're trying to rediscover it. She herself was never religious or really cared about the past since it wasn't hunting; I think she mostly only cared about receiving guidance from Andruil for the hunt, June to craft traps, and Sylaise to build a fire and cook food. Knowing their history would probably earn more of a "Huh, so that's what happened," and probably confusion/emptiness that the gods she invokes to do these things don't really hear or answer her invocations.
As for elves running to the Dread Wolf, probably indifference with a hint of annoyance. She really doesn't care about the affairs of others; she lives her life, wants them to live theirs. If city elves are unhappy living with humans, she's not surprised they'd run off to join someone promising a better life. If fellow Dalish forgo their "Fen'Harel is an evil trickster" thinking to join him, she'd probably assume they found out something about him to change their minds. Either way though, since she's looking for a cure to the Calling (the ultimate hunt), she's too busy to really think about it.





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