One thing that annoyed me was that I didn't hear Cole say "look into my eyes" once! Otherwise he was a cool character, although pretty different to how I imagined him from the book, understandable considering what he went through though.
Did Cole say that to people in the book?
It's only natural to be skeptical of a writer if you dislike a character they've written in the past. We form opinions based on what we've seen. Hey, I have misgivings myself. I liked Cole and I liked the plot and some of the characters in The Masked Empire (Michel and Felessan, mostly), but I didn't like Briala, and I was iffy on Iron Bull. But my apprehensions stem from my dislike of the present fixation on all things elven and my concern that he tends to rely on quirks of mannerism or speech to make characters unique. Cole's alliteration, Bull's modernisms, Solas's iambic speech rhythm. Characters aren't simply collections of check boxes. I take comfort in the knowledge that we haven't seen his entire range. He's relatively new to the franchise, so there will be plenty of opportunities to surprise us. Plus, he will be joined by an entire team of writers. He won't be carrying the entire thing himself.
My problem is more a matter of theme and tone. I like Weekes' characters as a rule, but I like the story and the world to have a darker tone, similar to DAO, and have that be on-screen rather than relegated to the Codex as it is now. I'm afraid Weekes will push the "classic hero" aspect of the game, and leave it impossible to play a more cynical anti-hero, or someone with a consequentialist streak, and still have good outcomes because *sometimes*, these types are right. DAI was actually rather good in that, if you consider some of the decisions you could make, even if it was all much less on-screen than I would've liked. Of course, it all ended up in the same middle-ground generic mix of the final big picture, and that's also not what I want in the end.
Well, my Hawke romanced Merrill.
Merrill stayed in Kirkwall (as explained by Hawke in Skyhold during DAI)
Hawke returned to Kirkwall after Trespasser (ending slide).
Ending=Happy 
Did Cole say that to people in the book?
Yes.
... Because that already was covered in Hawke's cameo. No need to talk about it again.
Normally I would agree; however, they (BioWare writers) did bring Hawke up again with Varric back in Kirkwall after walking out of some crazy Hawke type fight and living (if you chose them not to die in the Fade). It's a happily ever after, but w/o their paramour. Specifically w/o their paramour. BioWare writers tend to be exacting, as exacting as their readers (and wow did I learn a great deal reading this thread tyvm all who responded).
The fact that it was omitted was interesting, and I wondered if it was deliberate.
I apologize for my jumps in logic, that being said, having read BioWare forums for over a year...I accept my guilt *eyeing yesterdays Patron bottle from when I started this thread, but also acknowledge that I am not the only one guilty of such things.
Wow. Have I learned many things from you guys. I really greatly appreciate anyone who took time to write down anything, even those who admonished me. If you're bored enough to need a whipping b*tch on a BioWare forum glad I could provide...for everyone else...thanks for all the great fodder to think about.
I am certainly not saying goodbye to this thread, but thank you all who participated.
If you're bored enough to need a whipping b*tch on a BioWare forum glad I could provide...for everyone else...thanks for all the great fodder to think about.
No, no. Don't do that. You don't know what you're asking.
I just headcanon that him and Anders went back to Kirkwall for a while after the events of Inquisition to help Varric with some stuff, then left on an adventure to separate Justice from Anders with the help of the whatever-you-call them from Jaws of Hakkon.
Hawk is garbage and honestly shouldnt have been present in DAI at all. Bioware simply didnt care about her and DA2 so good on them. Stop whining.
There is mention that the youngest of Josephine's sister end's up with a Rivaini Pirate Capt (so is that to imply Isabela left Hawke for Josie's youngest sister...what?)
Um, no, this is a reference to Josephine's sister's love for tawdry romance novels, one of which you can find at the Winter Palace. It has nothing to do with Isabela. Isabela is not the only Rivaini pirate captain in Thedas.
Um, no, this is a reference to Josephine's sister's love for tawdry romance novels, one of which you can find at the Winter Palace. It has nothing to do with Isabela. Isabela is not the only Rivaini pirate captain in Thedas.
LOL. I got that at this point. However, it is the only one we have been introduced to by name and she was in in DA:I multiplayer...though someone said it was linked that the Rivani pirate Capt. was male.
So sorry my whining bother you, Kingoftime...*lol, wow if what I did was whining...waiting till you see whinging.
I wouldn't worry about KoT, FemShep.
He also started ranting in MEA about how people were whining about wanting other player races. I'm almost certain he's a sock puppet for one of the trolls.
Hawke is beyond awesome and honestly she/he should be present in every DA game as an alternative protagonist. Fortunately, Bioware cares a big deal about Hawke and DA2 (so good on them). Be happy.
I really like your post, KingofTime. 
I suppose the point is, if you are going to mention Hawke in the epilogue, then why not mention how his/her romance panned out? Its obviously going to be of interest to those who played and cared about Hawke in DA2, and it would take hardly any time at all to just include a quick 'And they lived in great mayhem happily ever after' or whatever.
When it would take so little time and effort (literally, its just writing a single extra line of epilogue text for each love interest choice Hawke had!), it feels like something that just should have been there, given how much it would mean to the people who are interested in it. There just doesn't seem to be any reason *not^ to include it, when it wouldn't cost anything, and wouldn't require any extra time or resources to do.
Especially when they know that many DA2 fans were aggrieved not to have the last DLC for DA2 to finish Hawke's story, and that the appearance of said character in DAI was massively unsatisfying to many. To quote a line from Josephine in one of the War Table missions 'Why antagonize these people, when it would take so little to appease them?'
Any argument against this must take into account the minuscule amount of time and effort it would have taken to have included this. It really wasn't much to ask, and this is precisely the sort of thing that you *know* people who care about a character want to know about the most. Yet Bioware continually underestimate that, and their track record on romance continuity and content is always utterly woeful. Tresspasser was another prime example, with some romances getting some attention, others hardly any. When are Bioware going to wake up and realize that people care about this stuff, and whether you, they or anyone thinks they should or shouldn't, it doesn't change the fact that it is an important issue for them.
So stop messing this stuff up and making it seem like you couldn't care less about it! Because even if that's true, you shouldn't be letting it seem that way!
Um, no, this is a reference to Josephine's sister's love for tawdry romance novels, one of which you can find at the Winter Palace. It has nothing to do with Isabela. Isabela is not the only Rivaini pirate captain in Thedas.
Josie's sister tried to run off with.....
I suppose the point is, if you are going to mention Hawke in the epilogue, then why not mention how his/her romance panned out? Its obviously going to be of interest to those who played and cared about Hawke in DA2, and it would take hardly any time at all to just include a quick 'And they lived in great mayhem happily ever after' or whatever.
When it would take so little time and effort (literally, its just writing a single extra line of epilogue text for each love interest choice Hawke had!), it feels like something that just should have been there, given how much it would mean to the people who are interested in it. There just doesn't seem to be any reason *not^ to include it, when it wouldn't cost anything, and wouldn't require any extra time or resources to do.
Especially when they know that many DA2 fans were aggrieved not to have the last DLC for DA2 to finish Hawke's story, and that the appearance of said character in DAI was massively unsatisfying to many. To quote a line from Josephine in one of the War Table missions 'Why antagonize these people, when it would take so little to appease them?'
Any argument against this must take into account the minuscule amount of time and effort it would have taken to have included this. It really wasn't much to ask, and this is precisely the sort of thing that you *know* people who care about a character want to know about the most. Yet Bioware continually underestimate that, and their track record on romance continuity and content is always utterly woeful. Tresspasser was another prime example, with some romances getting some attention, others hardly any. When are Bioware going to wake up and realize that people care about this stuff, and whether you, they or anyone thinks they should or shouldn't, it doesn't change the fact that it is an important issue for them.
So stop messing this stuff up and making it seem like you couldn't care less about it! Because even if that's true, you shouldn't be letting it seem that way!
Yes, this guy should have written OP.
If you're going to the trouble of mentioning it...why not add 5-10 more words to the epilogue since Hawke so we get the conclusion to her/his romance story...because it's BioWare, and of course a percentage of the players are interested in the conclusion. It's simply strange that it was omitted. That seems like a choice.
Why? IDK. I don't write for them. Logic would dictate w,y,z. however we're on a BioWare forum, there is no logic...just cannon to comment over and inflammatory threads to create, though the "witcher is so much better crowd" is quiet lately. Perhaps they liked Hawke, he was human...but you could play him as a woman...snap...I missed the Witcher crowd. (It's okay there is no fanfic for Witcher.)
*eyeing tequila bottle...backing away from keyboard...
I should limit myself to DQ in BioWare when drinking and gaming...yeah, that deadline will be there tomorrow;)
Can't tell you how much more educated I am on Hawke even in DA:I Tres DLC though.
*Cheers.
Patrick Weekes said on Twitter that Hawke had a happy ending with all possible romance options. It's just not mentioned in Trespasser's epilogue slides.
Yeeeah. Somehow I doubt any ending with Anders is gonna be happy.
Yeeeah. Somehow I doubt any ending with Anders is gonna be happy.
Well, it's happy for Anders and Hawke. Can't say the same about all the victims Anders leaves in his wake.
Yeah... Hawke and their LI. Um, well, you see, the thing is...
And apparently Bioware doesn't either.
Yeeeah. Somehow I doubt any ending with Anders is gonna be happy.
I feel like this might be the reason Hawke's LI isn't mentioned in the Trespasser epilogue, actually. They could have thrown in a sentance about how Merrill and Hawke went back to Kirkwall or Isabela and Hawke took to the high seas together or Fenris and Hawke went hunting slavers or Sebastian and Hawke settled down in Starkhaven, but a happy ending with Anders seems like it would take more than a couple of lines to achieve.
No, no. Don't do that. You don't know what you're asking.
It's worth noting that Varric apparently keeps in contact with Isabela, as indicated by his dialogue with the Inquisitor after Into The Abyss, if Hawke goes off to Weisshaupt. Seems reasonable enough that Isabela would also return to Kirkwall when Hawke does, provided she doesn't already go to her usual haunts over the past couple years since the end of Corypheus. I feel that for this sort of thing, headcanon works just fine for lack of any contradictory evidence. Also, the way I see it, if Hawke had a successful romance with Isabela, that means she came back to the city even with the danger of being killed by a qunari horde. I don't see why she'd stay away when her good buddy Varric now runs the place.
I'm happy that they had Hawke just go back to Kirkwall, because all her stuff is there, like the friggin dual-blades that she apparently left in the damn trunk of her estate. That and Merrill wouldn't have anyone else to drag her along to go kill things in the woods.
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