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[Keitaro57]

Seriously...

 

I'm reading the Bioware forum for a pretty long time now and more and more I get the feeling that the fans here think very poorly of this company. Here come a list of things Bioware seems to be unable to do :

 

*CAN NOT make a long game.

*CAN NOT make different expressions on a alien face.

*CAN NOT make a true romance.

*CAN NOT make an openworld.

*CAN NOT make a complete game.

*CAN NOT make a game without DayOne DLC and microtransactions.

*CAN NOT make a game with several good features : must choose one and only one for the whole game.

*CAN NOT make good hairs.

*CAN NOT build different animations.

*CAN NOT bring something fresh and new.

 

In fact, to stay short, Bioware is totally unable to make a good videogame.

Personnally I hate them for the cold shoulder of the DAI PS360 but it look likes almost everybody here think that this company will screw up MEA. Can you explain me why?

[SardaukarElite]

Can you explain me why?

 

It's because you're taking every person's different negative opinion and putting them together to form a single group opinion.

 

Person A hates feature X.

Person B hates feature Y.

Person C hates feature Z.

 

That doesn't mean that Group ABC hates features X, Y and Z. Person A might love feature X. Hell, if feature X is the inclusion of swords they're probably arguing over it right now. This forum has a large population so it's not hard to find someone who thinks BioWare did any given thing poorly, and you can throw in a few DLC conspiracy theories for good measure. 

 

 

...

 

 

 

The hair does need work though. 

[Ilwerin]

BioWare definitely CAN do the best games, games we all love (even with some flaws) and play for years again and again and even after years of playing we are still able to find something new in them. After all, that is why we are all here  If I take my top 5 best games ever (counting e.g. all DA games as one), 4 are from BioWare.

 

And as for the complaining - don´t take it too seriously  It is just a part of a human nature. Never satisfied, no matter how much feedback is BioWare trying to "incorporate" in their games.

[Fredward]

Grammatically correct sentences?

[Puddi III]

Seriously...

 

I'm reading the Bioware forum for a pretty long time now and more and more I get the feeling that the fans here think very poorly of this company. Here come a list of things Bioware seems to be unable to do :

 

*CAN NOT make a long game.

*CAN NOT make different expressions on a alien face.

*CAN NOT make a true romance.

*CAN NOT make an openworld.

*CAN NOT make a complete game.

*CAN NOT make a game without DayOne DLC and microtransactions.

*CAN NOT make a game with several good features : must choose one and only one for the whole game.

*CAN NOT make good hairs.

*CAN NOT build different animations.

*CAN NOT bring something fresh and new.

 

In fact, to stay short, Bioware is totally unable to make a good videogame.

Personnally I hate them for the cold shoulder of the DAI PS360 but it look likes almost everybody here think that this company will screw up MEA. Can you explain me why?

 

Because they closed Off-topic.

[Keitaro57]

BioWare definitely CAN do the best games, games we all love (even with some flaws) and play for years again and again and even after years of playing we are still able to find something new in them. After all, that is why we are all here  If I take my top 5 best games ever (counting e.g. all DA games as one), 4 are from BioWare.

 

And as for the complaining - don´t take it too seriously  It is just a part of a human nature. Never satisfied, no matter how much feedback is BioWare trying to "incorporate" in their games.

I love the ME trilogy too and, in fact, they are the main reason I bought a Xbox360 in the first place (ME1 was only on 360 at that time).

But the more I read the BSN, the more I found sentences like "they don't have enough ressources to put that in game" or "they never were able to do that, so don't put any hope that it will work"...

In fact, I was wondering : Did REALLY Bioware reach the very bottom of videogame quality or it is only the fans that think so?

I was hyped on MEA and had great hopes. Now, after reading severals thread on this forum, I feel like MEA will be an average shooter.

[Chardonney]

It's because you're taking every person's different negative opinion and putting them together to form a single group opinion.

 

Basically this.

 

I love ME trilogy. It is one of my two all-time favorite games, even though BW completely borked the ending of ME3 and couple of other things while at it. Still, I'm more than willing to give them a chance and I'm eagerly waiting for MEA. Do I express my thoughts, hopes and fears here in forum? Heck yeah but that doesn't mean I want MEA any less or think that it's going to suck. For crying out loud, I wish I already had it in hands. 

 

The key is not to let everything in this forum get to you; if 100 people is going to jump off a bridge, I'm not stupid enough to follow. Sure, I read the posts - good and bad and stupid - but in the end they have zero impact on how I feel about MEA. Only BW can change that and even that remains to be seen only after MEA has been relesed.    

[Donk]

Seriously...

 

I'm reading the Bioware forum for a pretty long time now and more and more I get the feeling that the fans here think very poorly of this company. Here come a list of things Bioware seems to be unable to do :

 

*CAN NOT make a long game.

*CAN NOT make different expressions on a alien face.

*CAN NOT make a true romance.

*CAN NOT make an openworld.

*CAN NOT make a complete game.

*CAN NOT make a game without DayOne DLC and microtransactions.

*CAN NOT make a game with several good features : must choose one and only one for the whole game.

*CAN NOT make good hairs.

*CAN NOT build different animations.

*CAN NOT bring something fresh and new.

 

In fact, to stay short, Bioware is totally unable to make a good videogame.

Personnally I hate them for the cold shoulder of the DAI PS360 but it look likes almost everybody here think that this company will screw up MEA. Can you explain me why?

 

Like everything in life, there are two sides to one coin and plenty in between.

 

The reason there is much negativity on here is because people love to whinge more than praise something.. I'm not saying the whinging is entirely unreasonable but much of it is just ridiculous. 

 

Such as a select few people who claim to hate BioWare with all their might and yet... after being disappointed with DAI, for instance, bought the DLCs and then continued to whinge. On top of that, repeatedly making "X game is better than DAI" sometimes prior to "X game" even being released Yeah, we know who I'm talking about.

 

And then there are those with trivial matters.. wait, "trivial" is being generous. PATHETIC would be closer to the mark. I.e:

 

*The top tier staff with the naked woman in DAI is sexist

* Insert romance option here ______ dumped me because they aren't what I expect them to be, yet I continue to b*tch and complain until the cows come home. Oh and BioWare, please add some character development change this character to suit my needs.

* Cassandra looks like a man, Josephine is an alligator/tree hybrid. It's an agenda!

*Oh noez! Halp! There's a transgender character in my game. AGENDA!

 

I have come to the conclusion that this is just a symptom of how degenerate society has become, and really, nothing at all to do with BioWare. I'm not saying, if you hate a game, you aren't allowed to do so; to the contrary. But logically, when you hate a game, you stop playing, or get a refund, then devote your time to a game you actually enjoy.

 

In no way does it seem logical to me, to go onto forums and complain non-stop.

[SnakeCode]

BioWare definitely CAN do the best games, games we all love (even with some flaws) and play for years again and again and even after years of playing we are still able to find something new in them. After all, that is why we are all here  If I take my top 5 best games ever (counting e.g. all DA games as one), 4 are from BioWare.

 

And as for the complaining - don´t take it too seriously   It is just a part of a human nature. Never satisfied, no matter how much feedback is BioWare trying to "incorporate" in their games.

 

I kind of wish the devs took it more seriously though, they seem really out of touch with what a lot of people want. I think they just skim the boards, see them dominated by romance discussion, and go "look guys, MOAR romances. We listened!"

 

I remember David Gaider saying that he takes negative feedback with a grain of salt, which sums Bioware up really. I remember him saying something along the lines of 'we don't read too much of the negative feedback any more, there's only so much you can take." Which is horrible PR, and comes across like 'We can't take criticism.'

 

If CDPR handled all feedback this way, they wouldn't have garnered the goodwill from the gaming community that they have, and nothing would ever get fixed, luckily though they're as consumer-friendly as it gets. Bioware seems to think being consumer-friendly means going to give talks at various panels like Gaymer X.

 

CDPR have a constant presence on their forums, regularly respond in feedback threads, and most importantly, they actually listen. I remember someone posted that they couldn't see the game's visual prompts due to being colour blind. They didn't start a thread on it but posted in a general feedback thread, so unless you were actually reading through the threads it would have been easy to miss. Nevertheless, in TW3's next patch, there was a toggle included that helped colour blind people see the visual prompts. 

 

Here it feels like the Feedback sections are a place Bioware dump you to get you off their back.

 

This place seriously needs a Community Manager.

[Linkenski]

This reminds me of a post at the CDPR boards reading something like "Here's why third act was great" and then went on to explain himself:

 

"Witcher 3 is great game, and thrid act not like people says. Witcher 3 has great story, great characters, and think ending is best no matter what"

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Like everything in life, there are two sides to one coin and plenty in between.

 

The reason there is much negativity on here is because people love to whinge more than praise something.. I'm not saying the whinging is entirely unreasonable but much of it is just ridiculous. 

 

Such as a select few people who claim to hate BioWare with all their might and yet... after being disappointed with DAI, for instance, bought the DLCs and then continued to whinge. On top of that, repeatedly making "X game is better than DAI" sometimes prior to "X game" even being released Yeah, we know who I'm talking about.

 

And then there are those with trivial matters.. wait, "trivial" is being generous. PATHETIC would be closer to the mark. I.e:

 

*The top tier staff with the naked woman in DAI is sexist

* Insert romance option here ______ dumped me because they aren't what I expect them to be, yet I continue to b*tch and complain until the cows come home. Oh and BioWare, please add some character development change this character to suit my needs.

* Cassandra looks like a man, Josephine is an alligator/tree hybrid. It's an agenda!

*Oh noez! Halp! There's a transgender character in my game. AGENDA!

 

I have come to the conclusion that this is just a symptom of how degenerate society has become, and really, nothing at all to do with BioWare. I'm not saying, if you hate a game, you aren't allowed to do so; to the contrary. But logically, when you hate a game, you stop playing, or get a refund, then devote your time to a game you actually enjoy.

 

In no way does it seem logical to me, to go onto forums and complain non-stop.

 

Yeah I don't get it either, I think some posters here are just attention trolls who don't care about BioWare games one way or the other and just want to rile up the fanbase with constant nonsense. They offer nothing constructive to any discussions.

 

Another thing to consider is gamer entitlement I think some gamers honestly think that just because they have choices in the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series that have ownership in the franchise itself. Here is my answer to them: What you is a copy of game and that is all you own your part in the transaction between you and BioWare is over. You do not own a stake in the franchise, and BioWare can do whatever they want with their franchises including moving the next ME game to another galaxy, not canonizing your favorite ending, changing a character's sexulaity, and bringing back characters you personally don't like, and/or "killed" off/didn't recruit or in your playthrough and not explaining it. 

 

My advice is: if you don't like BioWare game post your reasons in a polite and constructive manner and then leave BSN if you have nothing else to contribute.  

[SnakeCode]

The sexist 'Staff of the Archon' thread is legendary. 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

I kind of wish the devs took it more seriously though, they seem really out of touch with what a lot of people want. I think they just skim the boards, see them dominated by romance discussion, and go "look guys, MOAR romances. We listened!"

 

I remember David Gaider saying that he takes negative feedback with a grain of salt, which sums Bioware up really. I remember him saying something along the lines of 'we don't read too much of the negative feedback any more, there's only so much you can take." Which is horrible PR, and comes across like 'We can't take criticism.'

 

If CDPR handled all feedback this way, they wouldn't have garnered the goodwill from the gaming community that they have, and nothing would ever get fixed, luckily though they're as consumer-friendly as it gets. Bioware seems to think being consumer-friendly means going to give talks at various panels like Gaymer X.

 

CDPR have a constant presence on their forums, regularly respond in feedback threads, and most importantly, they actually listen. I remember someone posted that they couldn't see the game's visual prompts due to being colour blind. They didn't start a thread on it but posted in a general feedback thread, so unless you were actually reading through the threads it would have been easy to miss. Nevertheless, in TW3's next patch, there was a toggle included that helped colour blind people see the visual prompts. 

 

Here it feels like the Feedback sections are a place Bioware dump you to get you off their back.

 

This place seriously needs a Community Manager.

 

I recall reading somewhere that for most large companies the community manger has to spend more time on social media sites like youtube, twitter, facebook, and reddit.  

I think part of the problem is that BSN has developed a rep as being one of the most vile and toxic video game forums on the net (and that is saying something) and that has filtered back to devs who work for BioWare who probably think "why would any sane person at BioWare put up with all the bile and crap there when I can be making games they're going to love and spend time on sites that are less toxic" which makes does make a certain amount of sense to me. If I was working for BioWare and wanted feedback BSN would be the last place I would go too. Also some communities are just filled with suck ups who will do nothing but praise you and getting outside of that bubble is also important. 

 

CDPR is just the new favor and believe me they will fall just as hard maybe even harder than BioWare supposedly has eventually. 

[Statichands]

Your avatar though, I don't think a 3 fingered Quarian would be able to play a 6 string guitar well 

[Donk]

 

Yeah I don't get it either, I think some posters here are just attention trolls who don't care about BioWare games one way or the other and just want to rile up the fanbase with constant nonsense. They offer nothing constructive to any discussions.

 

Another thing to consider is gamer entitlement I think some gamers honestly think that just because they have choices in the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series that have ownership in the franchise itself. Here is my answer to them: What you is a copy of game and that is all you own your part in the transaction between you and BioWare is over. You do not own a stake in the franchise, and BioWare can do whatever they want with their franchises including moving the next ME game to another galaxy, not canonizing your favorite ending, changing a character's sexulaity, and bringing back characters you personally don't like, and/or "killed" off/didn't recruit or in your playthrough and not explaining it. 

 

My advice is: if you don't like BioWare game post your reasons in a polite and constructive manner and then leave BSN if you have nothing else to contribute.  

 

It isn't just limited to BioWare games, though.

 

I lurked in the Steam forums for a time when TW3 was released. While people in here may think the game is godlike (me included) plenty of people weren't impressed, and it was very BSNish in nature.

 

I recall one complaint in particular about not being able to sit in a tavern and have a drink whenever you want. The eff?

 

Besides, any BioWare fan knows by now that while you do have choices, it still follows a linear path. If people want choice in the way they want they should play CRPGs. Plenty of games provide this, for instance Wasteland 2.

 

 

The sexist 'Staff of the Archon' thread is legendary. 

 

It provided me with laughter for a good two weeks.

[Daopsin]

They can make long and complete games, it's just DA:I suffered from poor side content and ME3 suffered from bad endings. They were otherwise solid RPG's.

[Chealec]

Your avatar though, I don't think a 3 fingered Quarian would be able to play a 6 string guitar well 

 

It's all about the power chords!

[Cyberstrike nTo]

It isn't just limited to BioWare games, though.

 

I lurked in the Steam forums for a time when TW3 was released. While people in here may think the game is godlike (me included) plenty of people weren't impressed, and it was very BSNish in nature.

 

I recall one complaint in particular about not being able to sit in a tavern and have a drink whenever you want. The eff?

 

Besides, any BioWare fan knows by now that while you do have choices, it still follows a linear path. If people want choice in the way they want they should play CRPGs. Plenty of games provide this, for instance Wasteland 2.

 

I lurked on Steam when I foolishly considered getting back into PC gaming for a day or two and IMHO the Steam Community that is one of the worst communities on the net. Steam Community makes BSN look like Heaven. Then people wonder why I dislike PC gaming so much blame Steam.  

[SnakeCode]

I lurked on Steam when I foolishly considered getting back into PC gaming for a day or two and IMHO the Steam Community that is one of the worst communities on the net. Steam Community makes BSN look like Heaven. Then people wonder why I dislike PC gaming so much blame Steam.  

 

I think the point is BSNers seem to think this place is a pit compared to other gaming forums (and forums as a whole,) but those of us who frequent other games' forums realise that the constant negativity, arguments and "toxicity" is actually pretty typical of most forums, and online communities in general.

[wolfsite]

Mainly it's because people react and follow things with more drama and instigation in general.

 

Even when someone does a positive thread someone comes in and starts putting negative comments, why? for the reaction.  Some people just love putting things down just to instigate others for a reaction (which is what a lot of threads around here end up these days) and it is a lot easier to  go after and respond to negative feelings in the online world than positive feelings.

[KingofTime]

Blame bioware self righteous entitled pricks who thinks the company owe them an then some.

[straykat]

I'll just be over here, chilling out. Will be happy enough if this game is as good as ME2.

[Keitaro57]

Your avatar though, I don't think a 3 fingered Quarian would be able to play a 6 string guitar well 

Download some Geths in the guitar and everything is possible.

 

I understand the other posters : There is a lot of negatve feedback in this forum. But the main problem for me is the lack of hope : the negative guy don't say something like "this part don't work correctly. I hope they will make it better next time" but "They will never ever be capable to do it good. Forget all about it, it never happened". In fact, as a player of the PS360 version of DAI, I must say I understand them : My game was working before the updates. Now, it is a crappy mess good for the trash bin. Bioware utterly destroyed my game.

 

Angry persons are always louder than happy one. But the lack of Bioware feedback make things always more worse.

[wolfsite]

Angry persons are always louder than happy one. But the lack of Bioware feedback make things always more worse.

Unfortunately when Bioware employees show up here they tend to become targets and take a lot of abuse for things they may not even have contributed to.  We have a lost a few community managers of the past few years because of the hostility and some have even called this place "toxic" which, honestly, I can't blame them.

 

there was as time when we could go back and forth with tons of staff here rather constructively but those days are long gone, you are better talking to them through twitter or other social media rather than here.

[sjsharp2011]

BioWare definitely CAN do the best games, games we all love (even with some flaws) and play for years again and again and even after years of playing we are still able to find something new in them. After all, that is why we are all here  If I take my top 5 best games ever (counting e.g. all DA games as one), 4 are from BioWare.

 

And as for the complaining - don´t take it too seriously  It is just a part of a human nature. Never satisfied, no matter how much feedback is BioWare trying to "incorporate" in their games.

Indeed most of my gameplay time I've spent this year has been spent playing Bioware's games. Even after I finish my current run I suspect I'll be doing at least 1 more befoer the year is out too. I just enjoy playing them so much these days by them I'm reffering to both the ME and DA series. Of course I think there are areas they can improve but I think given time and good direction I think they will. There will always be areas that they can improve and there always will be. But that's how gaming should progress and get better.Because if they don't push themselves they'll have nothing left to aim for he series will stagnate and Biowaer will stop making money and end up shutting down. So they have to keep pushing in order to continually improve