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[Tidus]

I started DA:0 #14 yesterday  as a male  Shem and so far I'm not impress with a human rogue. I'm leveling and equipping this guy just like I would a Dwarf or Elf and still he's still hitting in the upper 20s  after the first battle of Redcliff. By comparison my elf or dwarf  rogue would be hitting in the 30 to low 40s by now. 

 

My other rogue Leliana is hitting in the 30s- low 40s and is equipped with the same weapons as my warden- a Dwarven long sword and enchanted dagger..I'm beginning to wonder if I really want to face the fade with my weak hitting shem warden.

 

Since this is the third time I've tried using a shem I was wondering should I use two enchanted daggers or start over as a warrior or female mage?

[straykat]

Humans have the best raw stats as rogues. You're doing something wrong if they're weaker.

 

 

I don't think their story is necessarily the best though. And there isn't that much difference in the stats.. but just saying.

[Qis]

For me Human Noble only good being Warrior, sword and shield tank, Templar spec. I do try making a rogue but it just doesn't make right, somekind of lacking something, never finish with rogue Human Noble

 

Dwarf Commoner more suitable for DW Dagger-Dagger rogue, City Elf being DW Sword-Sword Warrior, well this just my opnion anyway

 

It is because of the starting gear, Human Noble get sorry to say shitty starting gear all the way through origin phase, the only good gear is Cousland Sword and Shield in which can be used up to killing the Orge in Ostagar and the Undead of Redcliffe being a tank, but afterward it just loose it's charm, unless you use a mod making Cousland Sword and Shield upgradeable. Other origins could pick up numerous gears to choose and some are upgraded tier, randomly of course, City Elf could get full set of chainmail in the castle, Dalish got armor +1 Dex, ring +1 Dex for example. Starting gear is not quite balanced between origins.

 

But it is all about how to set up your character for middle game, then it just doesn't really matter anymore.

[Dai Grepher]

Wouldn't know. My Cousland is a dual weapon warrior, not a rogue. My Leliana sucked with dual weapons (sword and dagger), so I kept her mostly as an archer. Zevran was better with dual daggers. Try switching to dual daggers. Maybe that will help.

[Tidus]

Dia,I have no problems making a elf or dwarf a rogue.. Leliana is easy to make a rogue and is  as good as Zevran. After Zev joins I normally use three rogues and a mage and all three rogues are strong as far as fighting skills, weapons and armor and the mage having strong magic and some armor..

 

I'm getting no where with a Shem as a rogue even though I'm building him like I would a Elf or Dwarf rogue like I said in my original post. My son and grandson says I should stick with characters  I normally use. 

 

I really would like to play through as a human instead of my normal elf or dwarf..

[DeathScepter]

that is the problem. Humans are not Elf or Dwarf. pay attention to the feats themselves and their requirements.

[olnorton]

Race bonuses
Human: 1 strength, 1 dexterity, 1 magic, 1 cunning
Dwarf: 1 strength, 1 dexterity, 2 constitution
Elf: 2 willpower, 2 magic

By the stats it should be Human rogue, Dwarf warrior, Elf mage.

[Qis]

But starting gears also can take into account, Dalish get +3 Dex items, City Elf get varieties of weapons and armor in the castle, Dwarf Commoner got Everd armor and weaponry for the proving, then various types of loots in the dungeon, Dwarf Noble already have armor and heavy weapons but the script insist on talking using daggers and get +1 lightning dagger as a gift if you take it.

 

Other than HN and CE, other origins are able to trade so early making them versatile for any early build.

 

Stats doesn't matter.

[BronzTrooper]

To me, HN is a horrible tank (simply couldn't stay up as a S&S warrior in my initial HN playthrough despite building him similarly to my extremely tanky S&S DN from the playthrough before), but they do decently as an archer rogue (not as much damage as my Dalish archer, but close enough for it not to be an issue, iirc).  It felt like it took a bit longer to get my archer HN up to speed than it took with my Dalish archer, but that could just be me remembering wrong.

 

Not sure about the damage ratings when dual-wielding since I don't really pay attention to it.

 

Only thing I can think of possibly being an issue would be that you might not be using the same gear you were using at that point in your other playthroughs.

[Tidus]

Finally got my HN rogue hitting pretty good.. I added runes to his newest weapons-Duncan's sword and dagger.

 

I'm still learning how to build a Shem rogue warden..

[DeathScepter]

Race bonuses
Human: 1 strength, 1 dexterity, 1 magic, 1 cunning
Dwarf: 1 strength, 1 dexterity, 2 constitution
Elf: 2 willpower, 2 magic

By the stats it should be Human rogue, Dwarf warrior, Elf mage.

 

 

One of main roleplaying reasons I like the Human Rogue is that the overall feel of the Warden Cousland was meant for a political field and his/her brother is supposed to be a leader of Highever militias. So I do try to make my Human Rogue a political savy warden and he shines the best at Deremin.

[Tidus]

I think I understand why a Elf rogue is a better choice then a shem. The Elves seem easier to build in strength and skills then a Shemlin. I'm use to my Elf rogue routinely hitting in the 50/60s by the time we reach Orzammar instead of the 30/ 40s even though my Shem rogue is equal in strength and equipped with the same weapons with the same enchantments and skills.

 

After this play through I won't use another Shemlin.

[jros83]

lol is it supposed to be cute that in the real world we're calling humans "shemlin?"

[Callidus Thorn]

I think I understand why a Elf rogue is a better choice then a shem. The Elves seem easier to build in strength and skills then a Shemlin. I'm use to my Elf rogue routinely hitting in the 50/60s by the time we reach Orzammar instead of the 30/ 40s even though my Shem rogue is equal in strength and equipped with the same weapons with the same enchantments and skills.

 

After this play through I won't use another Shemlin.

 

If you're getting that level of disparity in the damage numbers, then you must be doing something significantly different.

 

Any differences you're seeing beyond gear, build, and the order you're going through the game are solely down to your perception. And running on from what's posted just above, I think it's clear what's making you perceive this kind of difference.

[Tidus]

Actually I like using game terms on a game forum much like the terms we use on my other hobby forums. No big deal its all in fun.

 

If I am doing something slightly different I can't see it when I compared my last Elf game with the current shem game.

[Callidus Thorn]

Actually I like using game terms on a game forum much like the terms we use on my other hobby forums. No big deal its all in fun.

 

If I am doing something slightly different I can't see it when I compared my last Elf game with the current shem game.

 

Considering that Shemlen is a derogatory term used by the Dalish, it does cast a certain light on your claims that an Elven rogue is superior to a human one.

 

If you're getting a twenty point difference in damage between the two, then that's certainly the result of something you've done. By that point you're way beyond anything inherent to the races or the starting equipment from the Origin.

 

Do both characters have the same equipment, attributes, talents, and party?

[Tidus]

Yes,After Zevran joins I use my usual three rogues and Morrigan and have no issues slicing and dicing through the enemy when I use a elf or dwarf rogue.. Yes , using three rogues is quite unusual but, it fits my slicing and dicing game style and has worked well in my last 13 games..

 

I looked over my older elf game and the one I'm playing now with a Hume and everything is equal but,I will look again later today to ensure I didn't miss a minor detail.