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[ThatBruhYouDK]

Patience is a skill.


Definitely harder because you won't have enough HoK to deal with chip damage without promotes/damage, and it is easy to get killed outside of stealth if you make any mistakes-- of which I saw plenty despite SB's protests otherwise.


Perfect example of being gibbed upon any mistake, and HB has plenty more.

And I have the damage and HP to support it now. When I get a chance I will make some videos. I won't make any mistakes anymore

[Drasca]

And I have the damage and HP to support it now. When I get a chance I will make some videos. I won't make any mistakes anymore

 

Lies. You must record the mistakes and make a funny compilation of failures!

[Snakebite]

Patience is a skill.

 

Patience does not take talent.

 

Definitely harder because you won't have enough HoK to deal with chip damage without promotes/damage, and it is easy to get killed outside of stealth if you make any mistakes-- of which I saw plenty despite SB's protests otherwise.

 

Having a Bloody Bargain in one had would practically double heal on kill, which would make up for the inferior damage.  Hidden Blades usually only gets the bonus damage on the first hit, then drops to normal when they turn on you.   Another offensive ability would also do more to offset the lower damage due to not having Bosun's Blade.

 

As for my mistakes, what were they?  I can only get flanking damage on so many enemies with a single flank attack, so saying I failed to get flanking damage on all enemies I hit on all of my Flank Attacks is not a mistake.  Neither is failing to get flanking damage if I use it immediately after using Hidden Blades, because everything is aggroed on me.  You might not know this, but flanking damage is hard to get when everything is looking at you.   Missing Flank Attacks would be a mistake, but as I said, that happened a very small percentage of the time, even though you say you saw "plenty" of them.

 

Edit: Even if I did make tons of mistakes, that would just got to show how overpowered Flank Attack is.  If you can screw up left and right, and still easily pull off a win while relying almost wholly on Flank Attack...

 

Flank Attack OP.

[Drasca]

Patience does not take talent.

 

It does. Like talent not everyone can (or want to) do it. Pretty much every advertisement ever knows their viewers have the attention span of a goldfish.

 

 

Edit: Even if I did make tons of mistakes, that would just got to show how overpowered Flank Attack is.  If you can screw up left and right, and still easily pull off a win while relying almost wholly on Flank Attack...

 

Flank Attack OP.

 

Nah its Bosun's + New Fade stealth that's OP here. FA would normally leave you without a dead enemy, while taking chip damage from mistakes. Bosun's allows HB to actually kill stuff while stealth makes enemies whiff.

 

FA alone is insufficient. If you are so confident that FA alone is enough, again feel free to demonstrate using just FA with hard stealth in the slots, and no bosun's. You don't even have to clear the whole game, just put up 10 minutes of gameplay up.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

It does. Like talent not everyone can (or want to) do it. Pretty much every advertisement ever knows their viewers have the attention span of a goldfish.



Nah its Bosun's + New Fade stealth that's OP here. FA would normally leave you without a dead enemy, while taking chip damage from mistakes. Bosun's allows HB to actually kill stuff while stealth makes enemies whiff.

FA alone is insufficient. If you are so confident that FA alone is enough, again feel free to demonstrate using just FA with hard stealth in the slots, and no bosun's. You don't even have to clear the whole game, just put up 10 minutes of gameplay up.

It is possible to stay alive with no problem. You will be in stealth for pretty much the whole thing. Just need to be patient with it.
From my experience, people #1 problem with FA is being impatient. The take the first opportunity they see and don't judge it for even a split second. When I do it, I line up my shots to:
1) hit as many people as possible.
and/or
2) hit to remain in stealth, this one is more important if you want to survive easily

[Snakebite]

Nah its Bosun's + New Fade stealth that's OP here. FA would normally leave you without a dead enemy, while taking chip damage from mistakes. Bosun's allows HB to actually kill stuff while stealth makes enemies whiff.

 

Improved stealth is overpowered.  I say that Flank Attack is OP because that stealth is an inherent part of upgraded Flank Attack, and judging from your post, you agree that "New Fade stealth" is OP.  That's enough to make it OP in my eyes.  The fact that it also does around 5K damage to the primary target, plus the ability to hit secondary targets just makes it better.  Add to that the ability to about double that damage with a Bosun's Blade, and that just turns it from (very) good to great!  Flank Attack is probably the ability that synergizes the best with Bosun's Blade, due to the ability to get guaranteed flanking damage and instant stealth to enable you to re-position and use it again after it's short cooldown.

 

 

FA alone is insufficient. If you are so confident that FA alone is enough, again feel free to demonstrate using just FA with hard stealth in the slots, and no bosun's. You don't even have to clear the whole game, just put up 10 minutes of gameplay up.

 

You ask me to prove something I never claimed.  I never said Flank Attack alone without a Bosun's Blade would be viable.  I have said that only using Flank Attack with a Bosun's Blade would be viable.

 

 

This could no doubt be done at level 6, having only Flank Attack and Stealth, but the lack of Cull the Herd and Hidden Blades would slow it down a bit.  The only real issue would be Knights and their stupid lightning attacks.

 

 

I also said that Flank Attack with other offensive abilities but no Bosun's Blade would be viable.

 

Could be done without a Bosun's Blade.  Flank Attack has a short cooldown, hit multiple enemies, gives Stealth that is superior to the actual ability "Stealth"... nope, this run showcases Flank Attack more than Bosun's Blade.

 

Having a Bloody Bargain in one had would practically double heal on kill, which would make up for the inferior damage.  Hidden Blades usually only gets the bonus damage on the first hit, then drops to normal when they turn on you.   Another offensive ability would also do more to offset the lower damage due to not having Bosun's Blade.

 

Mixing these statements together and daring me to prove that it is true is just putting words in my mouth.  What I can prove are either of the statements I actually said.

 

Why should I go through the trouble of proving something that I never said, just because you ask me to, when you yourself have yet to provide evidence to some of your own claims that you say you have proof for?  Where are your 10K full health Dragon Rage hits you claimed were possible nearly two months ago? (I actually recall you saying you already had footage, and you just had to go review it and upload it, but that never happened; presumably because you realized you were wrong)  And Devour being blocked by shields?  And Ring of Pain actually increasing damage?  I have yet to see you prove any of those, and those are just examples from a single thread.  How many times have you been proven wrong after asking me to back up my claims with evidence?  Do you really want to go down that path again?

[Proto]

Do you really want to go down that path again?

Drasca troll game: Perfection

[Drasca]

It is possible to stay alive with no problem.

 

Have you done it though? Has anyone? It is definitely with problems. Otherwise there'd be a lot more evidence of it being used outside of max defense promoted players. You'd see more rampant use of it rather than all reaver/ss solo's / team HB's.

 

Patience isn't the only issue, its other teammates too that make lining up a lot more difficult. By the time I have significant damage for FA, I could be killing with other abilities.

 

I've used FA enough that I know it is weak without Bosun's or similar damage upgrade (excessive willpower in the possibly 300-400+ range). You'll whiff, and get squished. SB likes to act that FA alone is enough. It is not, and its only the latest post the finally admits it yet in previous posts he says FA is enough.

 

I have video, but that'd take time to edit and upload it, and I'm too busy playing fallout to do that. Also for Ring of Pain, Bruh already proved it third party. Devour: you're the ones claiming it doesn't get blocked, whereas Bruh claims otherwise that it does get blocked and the first hit does damage. Devour remains incredibly weak healing, and its use is counter to Panic Promote xp progression. Use it at level 1, that's it.

[Proto]

Drasca troll game: Perfection

[Snakebite]

SB likes to act that FA alone is enough. It is not, and its only the latest post the finally admits it yet in previous posts he says FA is enough.

 

I never changed my stance.  Flank Attack is OP from the unlimited stealth it gives, not the damage (although the damage isn't bad either).  Are we talking Flank Attack alone as in "only Flank Attack" or as in "Flank Attack without Bosun's Blade, but with other abilities"?

 

 

I have video, but that'd take time to edit and upload it, and I'm too busy playing fallout to do that. Also for Ring of Pain, Bruh already proved it third party. Devour: you're the ones claiming it doesn't get blocked, whereas Bruh claims otherwise that it does get blocked and the first hit does damage. Devour remains incredibly weak healing, and its use is counter to Panic Promote xp progression. Use it at level 1, that's it.

 

You were too busy playing Fallout 4 two months ago when you said you were already reviewing your footage?  I already proved that Ring of Pain doesn't work, with no variables on damage output other than Ring of Pain.  And now you admit that Devour works exactly like I have told you it does on multiple occasions... you know, like when I told you that the first part doesn't get blocked by shields, and that you can spam it, and you replied saying people should use basic attack against shields instead.  Up to 40% heal on hit isn't "incredibly weak" either.  I also don't understand how it runs counter to getting panics.  Terrifying Fury causes panic left and right with high cunning, plus you can upgrade Devour to crit more often for those of us without high cunning.

 

 

 

Drasca troll game: Perfection

 

 

Right on the money.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

I have video, but that'd take time to edit and upload it, and I'm too busy playing fallout to do that. Also for Ring of Pain, Bruh already proved it third party. Devour: you're the ones claiming it doesn't get blocked, whereas Bruh claims otherwise that it does get blocked and the first hit does damage. Devour remains incredibly weak healing, and its use is counter to Panic Promote xp progression. Use it at level 1, that's it.

I didn't prove much on ROP. I stated it worked but it was very inconsistent. Not reliable.
And devour yes I have shown video proof of how it works on shield dudes: http://forum.bioware...-nm-solo-video/

[Proto]

Got murked at the end..If it wasn't for those damn horrors..

 

Lol, just seeing this. You scrublord.

[Proto]

Now we just need to see a mage HB solo...

 

[Texasmotiv]

PI Amulet OP!

GJ nonetheless.

[LearnedHand]

First mage! Why the pact belt? Only for the auto-attack buff (static charge too I guess). Was dispel really necessary for the horrors?

[Wavebend]

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What are your stats again? This seems a little bit too easy....

[Snakebite]

What are your stats again? This seems a little bit too easy....

 

He was using an Arcane Warrior.  Of course it's too easy!

 

 

First mage! Why the pact belt? Only for the auto-attack buff (static charge too I guess). Was dispel really necessary for the horrors?

 

Why not use a Pact Belt?  Fade Shield pretty much guarantees that he will never take damage to his HP.  As for the Horrors... have you ever tried to fight Horrors solo on Heartbreaker?  Hordes of enemies with regenerating 20K barriers with AoE spirit damage are not fun.

[Proto]

'Twas too easy.

Was my first attempt against RT. I had a chain lightning ring equipped and probably could have used a different build.

Regarding pact belt, I'm not sure. The original plan was to use chain lightning instead of spirit blade. But, I rolled lightning mages first Zone of Demons and decided quickly I needed another means of killing them other than just Stonefist and Fade Cloak. I quit out and respec'd into the build in the video. I tried to roll Demons for about 20 minutes but ended up giving up after 5 Venatori in a row until the Red Templar run you see above.

 

I hadn't played the Arcane Warrior since the latest spirit blade buff and the addition of elemental belts. Maybe I should have tried without the belt? Wearing it wasn't really a problem thanks to Guardian Spirit.

 

But, c'mon this is the mighty Arcane Warrior. Who needs strategy and planning. He can fadeshield his way to victory.

Was not a pretty run, but got the job done.

260
230ish
200

[LearnedHand]

I understand now, horrors are immune to lightning and they are the most dangerous threat. My original thought was why no chain lightning if Proto is using storm pact. Still, I'm not convinced it wouldn't have been faster with chain lightning in place of maybe stonefist.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

AW isn't a mage, he's a warrior.

[Drasca]

PI Amulet OP!

GJ nonetheless.

 

This. Just got PI from December chest + 2 27's. No Crescent Blade.

 

PI is super easy mode, making the game have a lot less feedback than it should. Its too old MMO'y with the player generally unaffected by enemy attacks other than health.

 

Its not that I won't use it, but PI too OP and any strategies that rely upon them should be looked at with disdain.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

I understand now, horrors are immune to lightning and they are the most dangerous threat. My original thought was why no chain lightning if Proto is using storm pact. Still, I'm not convinced it wouldn't have been faster with chain lightning in place of maybe stonefist.

Yes, but horrors aren't immune to spirit dmg (fade cloak, spirit blade) or chill (frost).

[Proto]

Yes, but horrors aren't immune to spirit dmg (fade cloak, spirit blade) or chill (frost).

Don't forget flash fire and stonefist. Phone just tried to autocorrect to stonefish? Huh

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

Don't forget flash fire and stonefist. Phone just tried to autocorrect to stonefish? Huh

Your phone should of corrected when you typed flashfire.

[Gya]

Don't forget flash fire and stonefist. Phone just tried to autocorrect to stonefish? Huh

Aah, Stonedfish. Beerfish's cousin who dropped out of college to start a hemp store in a free love collective.