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[Cobra's_back]

Yeah... Actually, I've been playing with this. And my conclusion is they freak.

The IQ can tell Josephine at Skyhold after she asks about the Anchor, that it's possible that the Maker put things in motion so long ago, people just can't see a guiding hand. So in some small ways Bioware leaves the question of Divine Intervention open ended, which I happen to like.

All the other gods or would be gods are still stuck in one way. They're in a linear reality. The Maker, as presented, is outside that. Think the Prophets of DS9. In which case, setting up a domino effect would be easier. He'd know where all the points he needed to nudge were.

Wonderful and well stated. The domino effect makes perfect sense. If the unseen mover ( Creator) lives outside of time then any direct change will have a drastic domino effect such that there is endless new changes a no real reality for that time period. It wouldn't work well at all. Every time the unseen mover looks at it something is completely different. 

[Carmen_Willow]

Exactly. Humans have always anthropomorphized their gods.

Or turned their stellar and outstanding people into "gods."

[The_Mac23]

Agreed. How many kings or rulers have declared themselves gods? More than we can count. The Maker is based on faith; I myself believe wholeheartedly in God and I have my characters reflect this belief. Regardless of what I've gone through or will go through, my beliefs are concrete. I respect BioWare for adding this element into the game, and I do hope they leave it as a faith issue. Just as we will never have the answers to every question, and I don't think we will in the DA Universe.

One thing is for certain. Creatures like the old gods were there not for the benefit of mortality. Hence Dumat's deception of Corypheus.

[RoseLawliet]

Saying we'll never know everything is the surest way to get people to never try. Convenient.

[Iakus]

Think he is correct in that no Maker exists? Or you think it's a case of an all omnipotent Creator being many steps ahead of a man with bloodthirsty intent?

Remember: he does say he has seen the THRONE of the gods and it was empty. So there was a seat. Way I see it, the Maker has no reason to humor a man like Corypheus, who used brutal methods and followed false promises of god hood to trespass heaven.

What are your thoughts?

It's pretty clear that something humans identified as a Creator deity (which ended up being called "the Maker" once lived in the Golden City.  Whether it was a jumped-up mage, a spirit, an actual god, or something stranger is still an open question.

 

Also clear is that whoever or whatever it was has since left.  But why?  Was he overthrown by something, the creator of the taint?  Did he turn the Golden City into a prison for the Forgotten Ones?  The Old Gods?  Some other horror from the Fade?  Or did he really go "Screw this, I'm outta here" when humans turned to the Old Gods for worship?  Or did he just leave to see what would happen?  A social experiment with an entire continent as test subjects.

[Ashagar]

I'd say more than a continent if that was a the case given the humans came from beyond the continent of Thedas and brought maker belief with them from where they came from originally. However if the fist sin thing is true I suspect it might not have anything to do with the old gods but the ancient elves. After all that the maker seems to have been absent or at least not directly active even before the worship of the old gods means if he left it was before that, given that I suspect the first sin might really have to do with the ancient elven elders making themselves god kings and the horrible things they did before Solas sealed them away.

 

However as i noted before I generally think the maker not being directly active on Thadas might have more to do with that direct intervention might have major side effects he might want to avoid much like the War of Wraith or Eru IIuvatar sinking Númenor had in Tolken's works. It wouldn't do much good if he did something like lets say kill all the darkspawn only to sink or wreak much of the continent in the process of destroying them.

[Cobra's_back]

A deity that doesn't actually influence the material world might as well not exist.

I disagree for the purpose of free will. If it exist, and it interferes than free will went out the window. If it talked the Leliana in a dream and let her make her own decisions then that would be free will at work.

[Cobra's_back]

If nothing else nobody would likely notice if the maker did do subtle things, mostly because its not impressive and flashy... and things that aren't impressive and flashy tends to escape people's notice. Also I will admit I would not surprised if the maker did sent several prophets after andraste but because everyone was so certain he left that they were ignored as mad or killed and brushed into the dustbin of history by the chantries.

Good point. The Chantry has such a negative view it would more likely kill a prophet because he/she didn't stick to the narrative.

[Cobra's_back]

Nah think more like this:
http://tvtropes.org/...in/BatmanGambit

You have a choice, but one of those choices is so out of character for a person it's next to impossible that they might take it.

Of course this can also go into a huge number of branching contingencies dealing with alternate realities where the same basic outcome is achieved.

Which pretty puts the player in the Maker's seat, in part.

Okay, remember what Dagna says about why dwarves and Tranquil can enchant and non Tranquil humans elves and Qunari can't? It's like that. A linear being is a part of the timeline and can't look outside of it. But someone on the outside of the line could see the whole picture.

Of course everything in the Chant could be bunk and the Maker could still exist, just not the way stupid humans think.

Though I do like the idea of me as the Maker. That has a nice ring to it.

 

That makes the most sense in Physics as well. The unseen mover domain outside time.

 

"Simulating time travel

 

The scientists simulated the behaviour of two photons interacting with each other in two different cases.

 

In the first case, one photon passed through a wormhole and then interacted with its older self.

 

In the second case, when a photon travels through normal space-time and interacts with another photon trapped inside a closed timeline curve forever."

 

 

If I understand it such a thing can happen if mass = 0 or Speed is greater than speed of light.

[ModernAcademic]

Think he is correct in that no Maker exists? Or you think it's a case of an all omnipotent Creator being many steps ahead of a man with bloodthirsty intent?
Remember: he does say he has seen the THRONE of the gods and it was empty. So there was a seat. Way I see it, the Maker has no reason to humor a man like Corypheus, who used brutal methods and followed false promises of god hood to trespass heaven.
What are your thoughts?

My guess: The throne is a metaphor for something related to old Elven lore about a specific kind of magic located in a determined place in the Fade that the ancient elves attributed to so-called gods.