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[von uber]

As I said, what the hell is a casual game? Why is investing 150 hours in candy crush not gaming?
It smacks of a certain amount of elitism to be honest.

[Panda]

I think an important part of this whole "what makes a gamer" thing is this question.

 

"Do you consider yourself a gamer?"

 

My mother played fruit ninja when she needed to kill a few minutes before leaving for work, I highly doubt she would answer yes if I asked her if she considered herself a gamer.

 

I have thought about self-identifying as gamer being important as well in numbers of "gamers", but then again I guess someone can identify as gamer if they play Farmville everyone morning before they go to work or they could not to identify as gamer even if they love playing Mass Effect. Who has right to tell that Farmville player to stop calling him/herself a gamer though if s/he wants to? ^^;

[Dread-Reaper]

As I said, what the hell is a casual game? Why is investing 150 hours in candy crush not gaming?
It smacks of a certain amount of elitism to be honest.

It is gaming, casual gaming.

[Kierro Ren]

Just curious but could we get a shutdown on this? It's going off topic is numerous ways and has nothing to do with ME:A. Just a sad pissing contest, that needs Bioware's mighty force justice.

[maia0407]

Women do not make up a large enough percentage of the mainstream market to change developers and publishers view on catering AAA games to women. The type of games  I've seen marketed to women are casual games, because that is what the majority of them play.

 

 

Please provide statistics proving this assertion.

[von uber]

It is gaming, casual gaming.

What's casual about it? What does that even mean?

[Dread-Reaper]

Please provide statistics proving this assertion.

Just look at the current landscape of gaming.

[Dread-Reaper]

What's casual about it? What does that even mean?

From Wikipedia:

• Extremely simple gameplay, like a puzzle game that can be played entirely using a one-button mouse or cellphone keypad
• Familiar genre, like a card game or board game
• Allowing gameplay in short bursts, during work breaks or, in the case of portable and cell phone games, on public transportation
• The ability to quickly reach a final stage, or continuous play with no need to save the game
• Some variant on a "try before you buy" business model or an advertising-based model

[SnakeCode]

I thought people didn't want to identify as gamers anymore? Since gamers are all racist, misogynist, cis, white, hetero, neckbearded male sh!tlords living in their mums basement.

[maia0407]

Just look at the current landscape of gaming.

 That could mean anything. Again, where are your statistics from reliable sources backing up your assertion that women do not make up a 'significant' enough portion of gamers to have our perspective taken into account by developers? I provided data when you asked (which you hand waved away as 'not good enough'); but, when I ask for your data I'm given some vague statement of 'just look at the current landscape'? And you call all the statistics I provided vague? lol Come on, your bias is showing!

[Daemul]

Just curious but could we get a shutdown on this? It's going off topic is numerous ways and has nothing to do with ME:A. Just a sad pissing contest, that needs Bioware's mighty force justice.

 

This discussion always devolves into a clusterfuck, I'm honestly surprised that the mods have cracked down on hard these sort of threads since they always end up becoming a mess. People seem incapable of discussing things like adults. 

[TheChris92]

I'm glad Bethesda has lived up to expectations, as they were severely low when I first saw the clean plank-wooden booty of the male Vault Dweller

It’s perfectly smooth and lacking in definition, like a sheet of clingfilm over a deflated balloon -- It can barely be defined as an arse. You can truly see how far they've come from this.

 

Bethesda really took those gripes onboard and showed how it's done by adding some extra flesh to the hindquarters of both genders. I can really feel the potential for sensual slice of fecal encasement as I traverse from dumpster to dumpster with Lassie at my side.

[Dread-Reaper]

 That could mean anything. Again, where are your statistics from reliable sources backing up your assertion that women do not make up a 'significant' enough portion of gamers to have our perspective taken into account by developers? I provided data when you asked (which you hand waved away as 'not good enough'); but, when I ask for your data I'm given some vague statement of 'just look at the current landscape'? And you call all the statistics I provided vague? lol Come on, your bias is showing!

You got me, I am kinda biased. What I meant was look at gaming right now, how many AAA games actually take female perspectives into account? The only one I can really think of is AC:Syndicate, but that's just because of the shitestorm generated by Unity's horrible PR.

 

Edit: You even said that women aren't taken into account yourself. thanks for unintentionally agreeing with me.

 

"3. The fact remains that games have historically been made for and marketed towards men and that these practices alienated a lot of women that would otherwise enjoy gaming. We have purchasing power as well but many just choose to spend their entertainment dollars with media that actually takes their point of view into consideration. The female gaming market will continue to grow as the environment becomes more friendly toward women."

[Sylvius the Mad]

More making an inference than making something up.

A distinction without a difference.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Or until Bethesda releases their first patch.

I'm not talking about fixing the game. I'm talking about customizing it.

My Skyrim installation has 12-20 mods at any given time.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Yeah, professors don't typically find that amusing.

That's always how I did it.

You just don't tell them.

[maia0407]

You got me, I am kinda biased. What I meant was look at gaming right now, how many AAA games actually take female perspectives into account? The only one I can really think of is AC:Syndicate, but that's just because of the shitestorm generated by Unity's horrible PR.

I see more and more developers getting on board with making gaming more inclusive for women and other minorities. Sure, part of this is due to social pressure but part of it is due to the fact that being more inclusive means more gamers which means more money. The stats I provided show that the market is there and some developers are finally waking up to that fact.

 

Diversity is not a bad thing. You'll still have your games that ignore women, people of color, LGBQT and the like. I'll still think those developers are shitty and avoid them like the plague and you'll be free to play them all you like! Everybody is happy and we can all grouse about how the different developers suck. Win, win!

[AlanC9]

As I said, what the hell is a casual game? Why is investing 150 hours in candy crush not gaming?
It smacks of a certain amount of elitism to be honest.

Don't different games have different effort/reward payout structures? My understanding of something like Candy Crush is that you're up and running right away, in a way you just aren't with, say, BG1, where the effort to learn the game is frontloaded and the payofffs are delayed.

[SnakeCode]

The new Assassin's Creed had the worst launch of the series history (not including handheld titles.)  Ubi's attempts to be inclusive doesn't seem to have payed off, for them at least.

[Dread-Reaper]

I see more and more developers getting on board with making gaming more inclusive for women and other minorities. Sure, part of this is due to social pressure but part of it is due to the fact that being more inclusive means more gamers which means more money. The stats I provided show that the market is there and some developers are finally waking up to that fact.

 

Diversity is not a bad thing. You'll still have your games that ignore women, people of color, LGBQT and the like. I'll still think those developers are shitty and avoid them like the plague and you'll be free to play them all you like! Everybody is happy and we can all grouse about how the different developers suck. Win, win!

I actually prefer to play as Females in games and I'm Black, so I don't see why I would want that ignore them just for the sake of it. Being more inclusive does not equate to more gamers which means more money. I can't even remember the game's name, but it was released earlier this year and it starred a Black Woman in the 70s or 60s. The game was getting pretty good reviews from critics, but no one was buying the damned thing, I think the developers said the game sold like 4k or 6k in two weeks, which lead to the studio closing.

[maia0407]

The new Assassin's Creed had the worst launch of the series history (not including handheld titles.)  Ubi's attempts to be inclusive doesn't seem to have payed off, for them at least.

Ubi blames the poor sales on the fact that Unity was a bug fest and not due to having both male and female protagonists.

[von uber]

Don't different games have different effort/reward payout structures? My understanding of something like Candy Crush is that you're up and running right away, in a way you just aren't with, say, BG1, where the effort to learn the game is frontloaded and the payofffs are delayed.

 

And you can be up and running with ME2 in about a minute. I think it is an arbitrary thing that someone has decided to create.

Anyway, what, exactly, is wrong with playing a 'casual' game? Sometimes it is exactly what you want to be playing. it doesnt make it any less valid, or the person any less of a 'gamer'.

It's like people are trying to create this sort of club, draw up some boundaries and then say 'you can't come into our gang, bugger off'.

[Statichands]

Loads of guys played as females in Skyrim and if you take a look at the mods, you'll know why. Not me though, unless it's Mass Effect, I always treat my character as a representation of myself. Also, the CoD devs chose a bad time to release another one of their generic shooters. 

[Dread-Reaper]

And you can be up and running with ME2 in about a minute. I think it is an arbitrary thing that someone has decided to create.

Anyway, what, exactly, is wrong with playing a 'casual' game? Sometimes it is exactly what you want to be playing. it doesnt make it any less valid, or the person any less of a 'gamer'.

It's like people are trying to create this sort of club, draw up some boundaries and then say 'you can't come into our gang, bugger off'.

Again, what're you on about bro? It's just simple categorization, no one's saying that casual gamers aren't real gamers.

[maia0407]

I actually prefer to play as Females in games and I'm Black, so I don't see why I would want that ignore them just for the sake of it. Being more inclusive does not equate to more gamers which means more money. I can't even remember the game's name, but it was released earlier this year and it starred a Black Woman in the 70s or 60s. The game was getting pretty good reviews from critics, but no one was buying the damned thing, I think the developers said the game sold like 4k or 6k in two weeks, which lead to the studio closing.

Yes, but again, we're still at the beginning of this change. It will take time to tap this market which has historically been ignored. It won't happen over night.