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[Dread-Reaper]

Yes, but again, we're still at the beginning of this change. It will take time to tap this market which has historically been ignored. It won't happen over night.

Eh, I give it five, maybe six years before things return to normal.

[von uber]

Again, what're you on about bro? It's just simple categorization, no one's saying that casual gamers aren't real gamers.

 

You did when it came to the statistics saying women played games.

[maia0407]

Eh, I give it five, maybe six years before things return to normal.

Not sure I'm following?

[Dread-Reaper]

You did when it came to the statistics saying women played games.

What? I'm gonna need a quote on that one.

[SnakeCode]

I actually prefer to play as Females in games and I'm Black, so I don't see why I would want that ignore them just for the sake of it. Being more inclusive does not equate to more gamers which means more money. I can't even remember the games name, but it was released earlier this year and it starred a Black Woman in the 70s or 60s. The game was getting pretty good reviews from critics, but no one was buying the damned thing, I think the developers said the game sold like 4k or 6k in two weeks, which lead to the studio closing.

 

It's called Sunset, made by Tale of Tales. I mentioned it earlier in the thread. The devs then had a meltdown on Twitter, said "F*** GAMERS! F*** THE GAMES INDUSTRY! DIE! DIE! DIE!,"  and then said "may you die in the same agony you caused to thousands of defenseless virtual creatures."

 

 

I don't think they took the poor sales well...

[Ruadh]

Bioware, a company notorious for raising the bar of inclusivity and diversity. A company that is consistently making games with an effort to include all kind of characters from all walks of life, with all manner of genders and beliefs and sexualities and religions and . . .

 

IT'S NOT ENOUGH! BETHESDA RELEASED A TRAILER WITH TWO GENDERS BIOWARE, YOU OPPRESSIVE SHITLORDS! HOW DARE YOU NOT DO THE SAME FOR A DIFFERENT GAME WITH DIFFERENT CHARACTERS AND SCENARIOS! ITS OBVIOUSLY NOT TO HIGHLIGHT THE NARRATIVE OF A LEAD CHARACTER, IT'S BECAUSE BIOWARE IS RUN BY THE PATRIARCHY!

 

Seriously though, this thread is moronic. If you believe woman are under represented in game trailers, and upon seeing a trailer representing both genders, instead of praising it you come to a different companies forum to incite a little tumblr-style circle jerk, whining about how a different company done a different trailer for a different product that isn't to your liking; You are part of the problem.

 

Trailers should reflect the game, not cater to the ideals of a whining fangirl; sometimes focusing on one character makes more sense. Also, considering the more games Bioware release, the more balanced the trailers become makes this whinging doubly idiotic. 

 

You know, had this not been pointed out, I wouldn't even had noticed. No doubt not scrutinizing trailers for whether I'm specifically represented or not is wrong though. So I'm now going to ironically sit in a safe space, trying to recover from the regressive horse **** my brain was just subject to.

[Dread-Reaper]

Not sure I'm following?

You know, normal, when Game Developers aren't being lynched because their game doesn't include a black person, a woman or a gay character.

[AlanC9]

And you can be up and running with ME2 in about a minute. I think it is an arbitrary thing that someone has decided to create.

DA:I too. But that just proves that Bio is trying to be more friendly to players who don't want to spend hours learning how to play. No surprise, since they've said that's an issue, and so has EA.

Plot length is also a distinction. 30 hours for an ME game is bad enough. How many weeks would it take someone with a job, a family, and a life to finish a DA:I run?

Anyway, what, exactly, is wrong with playing a 'casual' game? Sometimes it is exactly what you want to be playing. it doesnt make it any less valid, or the person any less of a 'gamer'.
It's like people are trying to create this sort of club, draw up some boundaries and then say 'you can't come into our gang, bugger off'.

I agree that "gamer" is a dopey term. But we need to have some way to talk about different segments of the market. If there's any correlation between playing Candy Crush and ME:A, it's very limited.

[Daemul]

It's called Sunset, made by Tale of Tales. I mentioned it earlier in the thread. The devs then had a meltdown on Twitter, said "F*** GAMERS! F*** THE GAMES INDUSTRY! DIE! DIE! DIE!,"  and then said "may you die in the same agony you caused to thousands of defenseless virtual creatures."

 

 

I don't think they took the poor sales well...

 

Jesus I remember this, no idea why the devs reacted like that. if people don't want to play your game, then they don't want to play your game. 

[Felya87]

The new Assassin's Creed had the worst launch of the series history (not including handheld titles.) Ubi's attempts to be inclusive doesn't seem to have payed off, for them at least.

Maybe the fact that it is one of the most overused and stale serie is a factor too?

Too many AC games. Too little innovation. Too many bugs. Too little time from one game to the other. And basically always the same protagonist with different name every time (At least until AC3. I stopped even looking at AC trailers. They already bore me)

Looking at the last E3, ovewer, is can see a change in the industry. Dishonored 2 Will have male and female lead. Horizon gameplay featured a female protagonist I presume will be the main characters. Mirror's edge will have again a female lead character. So the next Walking Dead game.

 

Edit because my brain went total different game title 

[Mr.House]

Bioware, a company notorious for raising the bar of inclusivity and diversity. A company that is consistently making games with an effort to include all kind of characters from all walks of life, with all manner of genders and beliefs and sexualities and religions and . . .

 

IT'S NOT ENOUGH! BETHESDA RELEASED A TRAILER WITH TWO GENDERS BIOWARE, YOU OPPRESSIVE SHITLORDS! HOW DARE YOU NOT DO THE SAME FOR A DIFFERENT GAME WITH DIFFERENT CHARACTERS AND SCENARIOS! ITS OBVIOUSLY NOT TO HIGHLIGHT THE NARRATIVE OF A LEAD CHARACTER, IT'S BECAUSE BIOWARE IS RUN BY THE PATRIARCHY!

 

Seriously though, this thread is moronic. If you believe woman are under represented in game trailers, and upon seeing a trailer representing both genders, instead of praising it you come to a different companies forum to incite a little tumblr-style circle jerk, whining about how a different company done a different trailer for a different product that isn't to your liking; You are part of the problem.

 

Trailers should reflect the game, not cater to the ideals of a whining fangirl; sometimes focusing on one character makes more sense. Also, considering the more games Bioware release, the more balanced the trailers become makes this whinging doubly idiotic. 

 

You know, had this not been pointed out, I wouldn't even had noticed. No doubt not scrutinizing trailers for whether I'm specifically represented or not is wrong though. So I'm now going to ironically sit in a safe space, trying to recover from the regressive horse **** my brain was just subject to.

I never once said that you moron. I said their excuse (it would confuse players) is bs since Bethesda proved it wrong. That is the crux of the matter, now the bs you seem to be harping on.

 

They both make crpgs with voiced protags with option to choose your gender.

[maia0407]

You know, normal, when Game Developers aren't being lynched because their game doesn't include a black person, a woman or a gay character.

I wasn't aware of these lynchings. Do tell!

 

So, by normal you want to stay with the days of the white male hetero protagonist in 99% of games? You long for the days when the boys club went uncriticized and the likes of me stayed in my place playing Candy Crush? Do you look fondly on the days when chain mail bikinis were fashionable and when developers pretended gay people didn't exist?

[Nonoru]

I fail to see how a trailer using the game engine to display both genders is comparable to CGI trailers we usually get for Dragon Age/Mass Effect Games?

 

That would be really strange to swap genders in the middle of one unique action scene.

[Mr.House]

I fail to see how a trailer using the game engine to display both genders is comparable to CGI trailers we usually get for Dragon Age/Mass Effect Games?

 

That would be really strange to swap genders in the middle of one unique action scene.

DAI's trailers where in-game.

[SnakeCode]

Maybe the fact that it is one of the most overused and stale serie is a factor too?

Too many AC games. Too little innovation. Too many bugs. Too little time from one game to the other. And basically always the same protagonist with different name every time (At least until AC3. I stopped even looking at AC trailers. They already bore me)

Looking at the last E3, ovewer, is can see a change in the industry. Thief 2 Will have male and female lead. Horizon gameplay featured a female protagonist I presume will be the main characters. Mirror's edge will have again a female lead character. So the next Walking Dead game.

 

Fun fact about E3, there were less games announced with female protagonists than there were at E3 2014. It seems like all of the public shaming and claims of misogyny are having the opposite effect of what was intended.

[Dread-Reaper]

I wasn't aware of these lynchings. Do tell!

 

So, by normal you want to stay with the days of the white male hetero protagonist in 99% of games? You long for the days when the boys club went uncriticized and the likes of me stayed in my place playing Candy Crush? Do you look fondly on the days when chain mail bikinis were fashionable and when developers pretended gay people didn't exist?

Assassin's Creed Unity and The Witcher 3 to name a couple. 

 

No, that is not what I meant. By normal I meant when developers could make the game they want, without worrying if their game would incite the wrath of the 'offended' and the twitter lynch squad. Also, making incredibly stupid and disrespectful assumption just makes you look pathetic.

[AlanC9]

I never once said that you moron. I said their excuse (it would confuse players) is bs since Bethesda proved it wrong. That is the crux of the matter, now the bs you seem to be harping on.

Note that Bethesda had an advantage in that we can tell who the PC is because of the blue suit. Will ME:A have this advantage? IIRC the iconic outfit in the trailer we've seen doesn't belong to the PC.

[Mr.House]

I can't wait for the SJW to ruin Persona 5. Their misconception with Naoto back in P4 is still amusing.

[Dread-Reaper]

Maybe the fact that it is one of the most overused and stale serie is a factor too?

Too many AC games. Too little innovation. Too many bugs. Too little time from one game to the other. And basically always the same protagonist with different name every time (At least until AC3. I stopped even looking at AC trailers. They already bore me)

Looking at the last E3, ovewer, is can see a change in the industry. Thief 2 Will have male and female lead. Horizon gameplay featured a female protagonist I presume will be the main characters. Mirror's edge will have again a female lead character. So the next Walking Dead game.

WAT!?!? They announced a Thief 2? Even though they completely butchered the first game and alienated the core fanbase? Also who's going to be the female protagonist, cause, ya know, his apprentice died in the first one.

[maia0407]

Assassin's Creed Unity and The Witcher 3 to name a couple. 

 

No, that is not what I meant. By normal I meant when developers could make the game they want, without worrying if their game would incite the wrath of the 'offended' and the twitter lynch squad. Also, making incredibly stupid and disrespectful assumption just makes you look pathetic.

Where are you getting the idea that they aren't making the games they want? Where in the world did this silly trope come from that including women, people of color and LGBQT is something that developers don't want to do? Perhaps, the developers that are being inclusive are ecstatic that society is finally ready for stories about people other than some white guy. I haven't read of any developers saying that they are unhappy with the wide range of stories they can now tell. Think of all the artistic options that have finally opened up for them! Bioware and Bethesda certainly seem happy with the options available!

 

ETA: Can't believe I missed the part about how stupid and pathetic I am. lol Your posts led me there. You are the one that stated that you want to go back to the days when developers didn't have to worry about putting women, gays, and people of color in games. So, if my 'assumptions' based on what you said are stupid and disrespectful, perhaps you should think long and hard about what you've said.

[Felya87]

Fun fact about E3, there were less games announced with female protagonists than there were at E3 2014. It seems like all of the public shaming and claims of misogyny are having the opposite effect of what was intended.

 

I haven't seen the 2014 E3 entirely, and none the years before. But I have a few friends I've seen it with that were very surprised by the presence of many female lead (or chance to have a female lead) in so many AAA games. This, plus the appearance in the last years of female lead in the last few years (remember me, beyond two souls just to say two names) had at least enforced the tendence to have more female protagonist in a male-almost-only industry.

[Mr.House]

Beyond Two Souls was crap tho.

[Dread-Reaper]

Where are you getting the idea that they aren't making the games they want? Where in the world did this silly trope come from that including women, people of color and LGBQT is something that developers don't want to do? Perhaps, the developers that are being inclusive are ecstatic that society is finally ready for stories about people other than some white guy. I haven't read of any developers saying that they are unhappy with the wide range of stories they can now tell. Think of all the artistic options that have finally opened up for them! Bioware and Bethesda certainly seem happy with the options available!

I never said that they aren't making the games they want, I said they can make the games they want without worrying if it will offended somebody or incite a PR shitestorm. Bethesda has been making whatever they wanted since their inception, these past few years haven't opened up any options for them.

[Felya87]

WAT!?!? They announced a Thief 2? Even though they completely butchered the first game and alienated the core fanbase? Also who's going to be the female protagonist, cause, ya know, his apprentice died in the first one.

 

AAAAARGH!!!! sorry, sorry, sorry!!! It was Dishonored!!!! I don't know why I had in mind Thief!!! Mea Culpa...    

[Panda]

Bioware, a company notorious for raising the bar of inclusivity and diversity. A company that is consistently making games with an effort to include all kind of characters from all walks of life, with all manner of genders and beliefs and sexualities and religions and . . .

 

IT'S NOT ENOUGH! BETHESDA RELEASED A TRAILER WITH TWO GENDERS BIOWARE, YOU OPPRESSIVE SHITLORDS! HOW DARE YOU NOT DO THE SAME FOR A DIFFERENT GAME WITH DIFFERENT CHARACTERS AND SCENARIOS! ITS OBVIOUSLY NOT TO HIGHLIGHT THE NARRATIVE OF A LEAD CHARACTER, IT'S BECAUSE BIOWARE IS RUN BY THE PATRIARCHY!

 

Yea... I haven't seen anyone acting like that.