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[SnakeCode]

Half of all domestic violence is caused by women eh? Going to need some reputable sources and studies for that, boyo.

 

 

Er... while there are radicals out there and I think men's issues are under-acknowledged in general, I'm going to need to need some serious sources for these three.

 

http://web.csulb.edu...ert/assault.htm

 

http://pubpages.unh....mas2/ID41E2.pdf

 

http://pubpages.unh....-Method 8-.pdf 

 

http://pubpages.unh....dence-PV_10.pdf

 

http://www.legislati...ossheading/rape

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvByTdMXlPM

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQzQBTkQZWU

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4euzB0CAsCg

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yg-f7fC0Uw

 

I do hope you guys ask for sources when feminists tell you that western women are oppressed, or earn less than men for the exact same work, or when they say 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted. What am I thinking, of course you don't...

[Lady Artifice]

You were doing well up until this part. There are no groups on earth that trivialize male victims more than feminists.
 
 
Running Erin Pizzey out of the country for saying men need domestic violence shelters too? Check.
Feminists suppressing evidence showing almost half of domestic violence is committed by women? Check.
Feminists disrupting various speeches talking about male suicide/mens issues? Check.
 
And don't respond by saying these people aren't real feminists. They are. How about trying to rid the movement of the bad eggs instead of defending the movement from those who take issue with the bad eggs.
 
Oh, and there are far more people who believe in the equality of the sexes who don't identify as feminists than than there are that do. They're either called egalitarians or don't feel the need to label themselves. Most don't wish to be associated with a toxic movement.

Philosophies are broad things, and easily reinterpreted to suit an individual's own experience. I've never denied the existence of militant feminists who abuse an ideal to fuel their rage. The threats against Erin Pizzey are unpardonable, but in choosing that example to support your argument, you've also presented an example of feminism from a positive and tempered source. You can point a spotlight on the militants who threatened Pizzey without pointing a spotlight on Pizzey as well.

You see, you and I have different definitions of feminism come to mind when we hear the word. You immediately cite a movement made up of furious militants who are fueled by hipocrisy and self righteous outrage. I refer to the broader philosophical ideal: "Feminism is the belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes." Therefore, this term can be applied to someone who subscribes to this belief whether or not they claim it themselves.

I don't anticipate any possibility of our reconciling our different interpretations. I believe mine is accurate, but I entertain no hope of convincing you of that.

[Kalas Magnus]

 

I do hope you guys ask for sources when feminists tell you that western women are oppressed, or earn less than men for the exact same work, or when they say 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted. What am I thinking, of course you don't...

last i heard.

 

women under 30 were making more than their male counterparts.

[Hazegurl]

Maybe they did help with the crucible, though. Many of them might have completed assignments on the crucible before they were sent away. As for any military aboard, they are very certainly being ordered to go, however they feel about. I imagine that would resonate with Shepard, who wanted to stay with the fight on earth, but was forced to deal with the big picture instead. 

True, although the most dangerous part of the Crucible project was actually getting it docked and fired.  But I can understand the people on the ARK having to leave, I just don't think my Shepard would have had the time nor care to wave them goodbye because at the end he's losing potential help at the most critical time.  But I can always head canon that he ordered some canons strapped to the ARK ship so they can blast Harbinger on their way out. lol!

 

Er... while there are radicals out there and I think men's issues are under-acknowledged in general, I'm going to need to need some serious sources for these three.

I can't speak on the third but I know the Erin Pizzey and the domestic violence reports go hand in hand. Feminists were upset about her exposing research stating that over half of the women who stayed at her domestic violence shelters across the world were also abusers within the relationship.  They sent death threats, bomb threats, prevented her from publicly speaking, then killed her dog when she went under police protection. Although I think she's out of hiding now after like ten or so years. The story is pretty well known.

 

You can point a spotlight on the militants who threatened Pizzey without pointing a spotlight on Pizzey as well.

 

 

 Erin Pizzey has never been a feminist.

 

Pizzey said in 2009 that she has "never been a feminist, because, having experienced my mother's violence, I always knew that women can be as vicious and irresponsible as men"

[MaximusArael020]

It's a TEASER TRAILER! Released on N7 Day for MASS EFFECT FANS! It's not the full release trailer out two months before the game comes out to show everything about the game! There's no reason for it to need both male and female VO to show that you can be both genders, and the VO isn't even the character you will play, so even having both male and female Shep voices doesn't show that the protagonist will be either gender either!

[Seboist]

I miss the days when video games were just about kicking back and enjoying a game in one's spare time, now it's devolved into some moronic victim olympics thanks to left wing sponsored tribalism(ala "identity politics").

[SnakeCode]

No Lady Artifice, you cannot label people people when they don't identify as whatever you're labelling them as just because they share some of the same ideals and beliefs. I am pro- gender equality. I do NOT identify as a feminist. In fact, being pro- gender equality is precisely WHY I don't identify as one.

 

You believe in a deity/god of some kind? Congratulations, youre a catholic!

[Andrew Lucas]

Close this already. Pointless.

[Sartoz]

Both genders where present, along with talking, and hardly anyone was confused. So what will your next excuse be Bioware?

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That's nitpicking the silliest of things.

 

What is more paramount is the expectation that Bio will deliver an engaging game with a good  story and characters we can bond with.

[Panda]

It's a TEASER TRAILER! Released on N7 Day for MASS EFFECT FANS! It's not the full release trailer out two months before the game comes out to show everything about the game! There's no reason for it to need both male and female VO to show that you can be both genders, and the VO isn't even the character you will play, so even having both male and female Shep voices doesn't show that the protagonist will be either gender either!

 

This thread is about Fallout's trailer, N7 trailer came out later than this thread was done.

[Giantdeathrobot]

True, although the most dangerous part of the Crucible project was actually getting it docked and fired.  But I can understand the people on the ARK having to leave, I just don't think my Shepard would have had the time nor care to wave them goodbye because at the end he's losing potential help at the most critical time.  But I can always head canon that he ordered some canons strapped to the ARK ship so they can blast Harbinger on their way out. lol!

 

I can't speak on the third but I know the Erin Pizzey and the domestic violence reports go hand in hand. Feminists were upset about her exposing research stating that over half of the women who stayed at her domestic violence shelters across the world were also abusers within the relationship.  They sent death threats, bomb threats, prevented her from publicly speaking, then killed her dog when she went under police protection. Although I think she's out of hiding now after like ten or so years. The story is pretty well known.

 

 

 Erin Pizzey has never been a feminist.

 

Pizzey said in 2009 that she has "never been a feminist, because, having experienced my mother's violence, I always knew that women can be as vicious and irresponsible as men"

 

Quick clarification: she claimed her dog was killed by racists, not feminists if I can recall correctly. 

 

Still, the point stands. She was the victim of the extremist fringe of feminism and it is sad that society doesn't acknowledge that domestic violence is often a two-way street.

 

As for Fallout, from what I have heard of the leaks the writing really is about as bad as Fallout 3's. Oh well, not like I was buying the game for that anyway.

[straykat]

  

 

What is more paramount is the expectation that Bio will deliver an engaging game with a good  story and characters we can bond with.

 

Serious question? I have some faith in the latter. Not the former. And even then, they're becoming a little predictable (bro characters, nerdbait, and extroverted hedonists).

 

I think they can write a good story, but they're even more predictable there. And it's tens of millions of dollars at stake to screw around too much.

[Il Divo]

I miss the days when video games were just about kicking back and enjoying a game in one's spare time, now it's devolved into some moronic victim olympics thanks to left wing sponsored tribalism(ala "identity politics").

 

 

Luckily, that option is still available.
 

[von uber]

Stuff

 

Small thing to pint out here - I know it seems hard to grasp sometimes, but the USA is not the world. Cherry picking a few studies that (from the look of it are very selective) that imply that men suffer equally is a tad disingenuous, especially given the wealth of evidence that demonstrates the opposite.

Mind you, this is not the place to argue about it.

 

What i don't get is how vociferous people are when it comes to the fact that women just mind have equal representation in computer games. It's mind boggling (on both sides, but as far as I can tell it tends be only one who deal out the death and rape threats).

Ho hum.

[Mr.House]

Small thing to pint out here - I know it seems hard to grasp sometimes, but the USA is not the world. Cherry picking a few studies that (from the look of it are very selective) that imply that men suffer equally is a tad disingenuous, especially given the wealth of evidence that demonstrates the opposite.

Mind you, this is not the place to argue about it.

 

What i don't get is how vociferous people are when it comes to the fact that women just mind have equal representation in computer games. It's mind boggling (on both sides, but as far as I can tell it tends be only one who deal out the death and rape threats).

Ho hum.

University of Toronto is not in USA.

[prosthetic soul]

Luckily, that option is still available.
 

My arse it is. 

[prosthetic soul]

Small thing to pint out here - I know it seems hard to grasp sometimes, but the USA is not the world. Cherry picking a few studies that (from the look of it are very selective) that imply that men suffer equally is a tad disingenuous, especially given the wealth of evidence that demonstrates the opposite.

Mind you, this is not the place to argue about it.

 

What i don't get is how vociferous people are when it comes to the fact that women just mind have equal representation in computer games. It's mind boggling (on both sides, but as far as I can tell it tends be only one who deal out the death and rape threats).

Ho hum.

Cherry picking....a few....

 

The dude gave you a plethora of youtube links and sources.  And you qualify that as cherry picking? What does this guy have to do to satiate you?  List every single website on the internet that involves gender equality/inequality? 

[AresKeith]

My arse it is. 

 

I don't know about you but I'm still able to kick back and enjoy a game

[Il Divo]

My arse it is. 

 

I'm intrigued, tell me more about your troubles.

[prosthetic soul]

I don't know about you but I'm still able to kick back and enjoy a game

Well you know what they say....

 

Ignorance is bliss. 

 

 

I'm intrigued, tell me more about your troubles.

 

Right after you tell me about how much the industry isn't being plagued by the PC culture of late. 

[AresKeith]

Well you know what they say....

 

Ignorance is bliss. 

 

Or I don't get worked up or butthurt over an invisible boogieman 

[slimgrin]

I miss the days when video games were just about kicking back and enjoying a game in one's spare time, now it's devolved into some moronic victim olympics thanks to left wing sponsored tribalism(ala "identity politics").

 

Give it time, the 'progressives' will slither on to something else eventually. 

[prosthetic soul]

Or I don't get worked up or butthurt over an invisible boogieman 

Nah I think I'll stick with my example.  Makes more sense and isn't filled with blind optimism. 

[AresKeith]

Nah I think I'll stick with my example.  Makes more sense and isn't filled with blind optimism. 

 

K.

[prosthetic soul]

K.

Good glad we settled that I am right.