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[sortiv]

I love the series, and I like being a fan of ME3... but it's been three years and people still debate this ending with a surprising amount of fervor.

 

If you're over in the ME2 boards, it's quieter but a lot less griping about that game. 

 

Do you ever get sick of it? I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to be a fan of this game for years... I'll probably still replay it a couple more times at least and talk about it for a long time. Can we agree to disagree about the ending, and move on maybe? 

[Youknow]

I don't know, do you? You made a topic about it? So I guess not? Not to sound like I'm being aggressive, but the best thing you can do in a situation like that is remain silent. There's nothing to be gained from asking a question like this. The people that are fine with it will remain as such, and the people that don't like it will remain as such as well. It was a polarized ending, it's only natural it would warrant a more passionate response than other segments in the game. 

 

If you want to discuss the ending, you should ask a question that can elicit a more grandiose response outside of a simple "yes or no."  

[AlanC9]

I mostly find it hilarious.

[Ieldra]

I mostly find it hilarious.

The ending, or the talk about it?

[fraggle]

I assume this is because there's still a lot of new people coming in, trying to discuss the endings etc. I've only finished ME3 in February this year myself, and yeah, I like discussing it, we are on a forum after all, no? The "old" fans don't need to participate if they don't want to, but it's logical for me new fans do. Not everyone was around when ME3 was released, not everyone has played it right away.

Also, yes, most of the times it goes in circles at some point, but there's also been a lot of good, and actually civil discussion with great input from both sides. And it's up the the individual users to agree to disagree. Just ignore the threads if they bother you so much.

[German Soldier]

people are way too much complaining sometimes,yes it was contrived, and?

Sooner we will have another Mass effect who cares about a moddable ending,ME3 enidng at least somehow it has been renowned in it's own way.

[Vanilka]

This is a forum where people come to discuss various things about a franchise they love. What's the problem with discussing the ending? You can simply avoid the discussions if you don't like them. There's nothing easier than that. And I'm quite sure it works much better than suggesting that people shut up about it. (Tip: They never will. And they never will just because somebody told them to.) Why waste your precious free time by complaining about the complaining? Just participate in the threads you enjoy or start a new one about something you like instead of making yet another one discussing the ending, which is what you suggest we avoid in the first place.

 

I didn't think it needs to be said but... some of us picked up this franchise late. Many are yet to pick it up. We all want to share our impressions and opinions. Our good feelings. Our disappointments. We want to fangirl with others. We want to vent. We want to discuss the game. Why does it bother you?

 

Moreover, I think the fact people still harp about the ending shows how much they love the franchise. Would they be so very bothered by an ending they consider lame, would they complain about the faults they find within the writing, all the plotholes and more if they weren't utterly passionate about the franchise? I think all the complaining says something. Some people love the games so much that they're truly heartbroken when they feel something went wrong with them, months or years after they played them for the first time. How is that not awesome?

[themikefest]

It doesn't bother me that folks still discuss the ending{s} whether they liked them or not

[Fuenf789]

Yes. Especially those that keep coming back to write yet another comment in this thread on stuff from 2012.

[Quarian Master Race]

Sort of. I more feel sorry for them having such a psychopathic fixation on it to continue spamming the forums with useless QQ shitposts nearly 4 years later. Usually when I think something is bad (TV/Literature/ Movie series), I just don't really associate with or watch it anymore. 

[voteDC]

People still discuss books written centuries ago, why is it such a shock that people still wish to discuss a game that isn't even four years old?

The ending gets discussed so much, and you've started an ending discussion thread with this very one, because it is an incredibly divisive one.

In a way it speaks to the power of the work. Would people give a damn about the ending to the Mass Effect trilogy if they hadn't liked the rest of it?

[sortiv]

Lots of great points made. 

 

voteDC- you're spot on with the book comparison. I hadn't thought of it like that. 

 

fraggle- Also a good point about the new people just now playing the trilogy/ME3 ending. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Can we agree to disagree about the ending, and move on maybe? 

 

Unfortunately, no to the first part, but fortunately, yes to the second.

 

Creating "collective agreement" in an open forum isn't possible. For some of the people involved, they are recent to the forums, and discussing it is still a fairly fresh experience for them. For others, they're simply going to continue discussing/debating/arguing it regardless of what you or others may agree to.

 

But individuals are free to move on. To do that will require, to at least some extent, not engaging those who continue to argue over the ending.

[voteDC]

voteDC- you're spot on with the book comparison. I hadn't thought of it like that. 

Thank you. It's one of the things I find the most puzzling. Especially since I'm willing to bet that a lot of people who are fed up of seeing posts about Mass Effect 3's ending discuss the end to a favourite TV show, such as the Sopranos, when out with friends. 

 

But individuals are free to move on. To do that will require, to at least some extent, not engaging those who continue to argue over the ending.

This is what needs to happen. Instead of starting a thread asking why people still want to discuss the endings, why not create a thread on another aspect of the game and if people want to take part in it then they will.

[sortiv]

I can't quite articulate why, but I'm highly intrigued by the answers given in this thread. I was curious how people would respond, and there are plenty of intelligent responses here. Although a few of you have asked "why make this thread?" I'm not at all regretful for having posed the question. I don't think I'm as focused on people "moving on" anymore, but to the contrary I'm fascinated by the nuance and maturity of the fandom in its ability to parse the complexity and diversity of its own idiosyncrasies. I think I might be more interested in the ending of ME3 than ever, but specifically because of how well the community has integrated the varying viewpoints on it. 

 

EDIT: Short version, you all schooled me; I'm happy about it. 

[Lee T]

People still discuss books written centuries ago, why is it such a shock that people still wish to discuss a game that isn't even four years old?

The ending gets discussed so much, and you've started an ending discussion thread with this very one, because it is an incredibly divisive one.

In a way it speaks to the power of the work. Would people give a damn about the ending to the Mass Effect trilogy if they hadn't liked the rest of it?

Excellent answer. I'm willing to bet that even if Bioware staffers probably were not very happy about the ending's reception, they would have felt a lot of worth if the ending had been received with complete apathy.

[KotorEffect3]

It's always bugged me that people were so fixated on the ending that they ignored how good the rest of the game was.  I've never really been a fan of how people tend to fixate on just one or two issues they have with a game or how they get hungup on minor details.  No I am not calling the ending a minor detail at all but overall the mentality of some people is just to anal retentive to bear.

[voteDC]

It's always bugged me that people were so fixated on the ending that they ignored how good the rest of the game was.  I've never really been a fan of how people tend to fixate on just one or two issues they have with a game or how they get hungup on minor details.  No I am not calling the ending a minor detail at all but overall the mentality of some people is just to anal retentive to bear.

I'm actually more bothered that the endings overshadowed the other flaws with the game.

How about the comedy animations. Increase in passive conversations. They actually made the planet scanning worse by removing the only point of it. The journal was destroyed. The eavesdropping side-quests....deep breath. I could go on but there are many many flaws with Mass Effect 3 other than issues people have with the endings.

[sortiv]

I'm actually more bothered that the endings overshadowed the other flaws with the game.

How about the comedy animations. Increase in passive conversations. They actually made the planet scanning worse by removing the only point of it. The journal was destroyed. The eavesdropping side-quests....deep breath. I could go on but there are many many flaws with Mass Effect 3 other than issues people have with the endings.

 

Also a good point. The animations have been awful from day one. Three whole games of people doing this weird, "gotcha, buddy" point whenever they say something. 

[voteDC]

I think the animations got worse as time went on. Compare Shepard's running animation from the first game to those used in the two follow-ups.

Shepard goes from running somewhat like a human being to that of a arthritic gorilla 

[Blackadderthethird]

It's always bugged me that people were so fixated on the ending that they ignored how good the rest of the game was.  I've never really been a fan of how people tend to fixate on just one or two issues they have with a game or how they get hungup on minor details.  No I am not calling the ending a minor detail at all but overall the mentality of some people is just to anal retentive to bear.

Because the ending almost broke the games for quite a few people. The ending of 1 and 2 were epic. What should be the grand finale was more like "WTF just happened?". Ending a story is usually about wrapping up loose ends. ME3 didn't wrap them up. It created more

[sortiv]

I think the animations got worse as time went on. Compare Shepard's running animation from the first game to those used in the two follow-ups.

Shepard goes from running somewhat like a human being to that of a arthritic gorilla 

 

I can't disagree with that, but the super creepy/weird eyes looking away, head turning to the side before walking away to end every other conversation in ME1 was unbelievable. 

[Canned Bullets]

I don't blame it. A lot of us who were pissed at the ending devoted hours into the trilogy and imported saves from ME1. Other then that its old news and I never hear anyone who's seriously mad about it anymore but I still remember it. At least the extended cut made the ending go from crap to okay.

[voteDC]

I can't disagree with that, but the super creepy/weird eyes looking away, head turning to the side before walking away to end every other conversation in ME1 was unbelievable. 

I found the head turning to be far worse in the third game too. All too often Shepard would get stuck looking at the corning of the room while in conversation with someone.

However I do get the odd bulging eyed look from some of my Shepards, it's like they are about to fall out of their head at any moment.

[Rosstoration]

Not really, it's an intrinsic part of a series of games loved by many people. It's not a trivial aspect, it's the entire cultivation of three games and the entire Shepard story, of course people are going to discuss it, probably for as long as people still play Mass Effect. It's like saying do you think people will still discuss how awful the "Prequel trilogy" was among Star Wars fans, of course they will, it's an intrinsic part of the story.

 

The gripe I have is that the ending talk has vastly overshadowed the litany of other terrible things ME3 did. Although I don't feel like engaging in ending discussion talk anymore, I don't think it's fair to say nobody should ever discuss it again, if you don't want to parle, don't parle.