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[KaiserShep]

Science create sceptic, and we already have sceptics in DA:O, the lyrium and Sacred Ash, we can argue if the Ash really miracle or a chemical substance. Scepticism will destroy imagination making a fantasy world not a fantasy anymore.

 

This doesn't make any sense. Magic and otherworldly beings from some weird dimension exist in this world, so regardless of whether or not the writers have the "mundane" world develop and advance socially and technologically, as some civilizations tend to do, it will always be fantasy.

[Qis]

This doesn't make any sense. Magic and otherworldly beings from some weird dimension exist in this world, so regardless of whether or not the writers have the "mundane" world develop and advance socially and technologically, as some civilizations tend to do, it will always be fantasy.

 

When Gorge Lucas put midichlorian in Star Wars, he officially destroy my childhood, and not just me. You cannot put something to justify things in fantasy setting, scepticism destroy the fun.

 

That's why guns should not be in Dragon Age, it will make magic have less meaning. Science will always destroy magic, because science is reason, magic is imagination.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Yeah, never mind the ones that are there, well if you have the DLC and, that steam punk dude by the horses. Just because you have it doesn't mean you use it. Now in that DLC Quizzy obviousle sees them and, what they can do and, well He'd be a fool not to bring some samples back for study.  Yeah a mage that had a great enchanter dwarf or could afford runes can destroy armor but, those things ley even dwarves punch holes in LotD armor, and that's pretty good, and no mage needed so, a smart Inquisitor has got to see the military value of that and, wnat to test it to see if it punches holes in demons as easily.

 

Now if he's a Qunari or, romanced Bull, odds are, it's not going to take much for him to see those things use Gatlock, and if he's giving them to hsi army then Gatlock can't be a secret anymore so, by DA4, I'd bet there are guns.

[AlanC9]

When Gorge Lucas put midichlorian in Star Wars, he officially destroy my childhood, and not just me. You cannot put something to justify things in fantasy setting, scepticism destroy the fun.
 
That's why guns should not be in Dragon Age, it will make magic have less meaning. Science will always destroy magic, because science is reason, magic is imagination.

By that logic we shouldn't allow swords either. Refining ore is science. Making steel is science. Forging blades is science.

[Medhia_Nox]

What we need is less magic in Dragon Age... they've gone too far with magic for me and I'm worried this isn't going to keep me going forward. 

 

@Qis:  Sorry, but science will always be imagination's ******. 

[KaiserShep]

When Gorge Lucas put midichlorian in Star Wars, he officially destroy my childhood, and not just me. You cannot put something to justify things in fantasy setting, scepticism destroy the fun.
 
That's why guns should not be in Dragon Age, it will make magic have less meaning. Science will always destroy magic, because science is reason, magic is imagination.

That's not really the same thing. Technology being developed from mundane materials is vastly different from creating some sort of scientific explanation for magical phenomena, though DA already has lyrium, which is basically the element zero of that universe.

[Neon Rising Winter]

When Gorge Lucas put midichlorian in Star Wars, he officially destroy my childhood, and not just me. You cannot put something to justify things in fantasy setting, scepticism destroy the fun.

 

That's why guns should not be in Dragon Age, it will make magic have less meaning. Science will always destroy magic, because science is reason, magic is imagination.

You've got that the wrong way round there. Fiction is by definition a work of imagination, so if we define magic as being imagination and science as reason then in a fictional world magic is the one that is more powerful.

 

Okay, taking a slightly less tongue in cheek approach. There's no reason to distinguish between the two. In what way does magic not resemble science in most works it occurs in? It usually has rules, consistent and reproducable results. It ends up looking more like someone with a little knowledge of science has created a universe with a new fundamental force. I'm thinking from a physics viewpoint here. Don't try and apply this to the biology, it's unlikely that will look like anything but a car crash.

[Heimdall]

When Gorge Lucas put midichlorian in Star Wars, he officially destroy my childhood, and not just me. You cannot put something to justify things in fantasy setting, scepticism destroy the fun.

 

That's why guns should not be in Dragon Age, it will make magic have less meaning. Science will always destroy magic, because science is reason, magic is imagination.

There's a difference between trying to turn magic into science (midichlorians) and technology existing alongside magic... which is exactly what Star Wars is to begin with well before Midichlorians were introduced.

 

Though combining magic and technology can also lead to interesting results.  Final Fantasy and other JRPGs mostly (That I know of) have handled this idea interestingly, where the setting's inhabitants have created technology that is fueled by or manipulates magical energy.

[zambingo]

Qis, you seem to be confusing Magic with Faith and or IRL magic tricks.

Magic in DA is real.

Magic is there in all it's glory to be seen and reproduced, in fact you could say that aspect of it is extremely scientific. Mundane sciences shouldn't make people not believe* in magic. Mundane sciences if anything should compliment Magic and vice versa, the academic mindset is already a well established aspect of all Thedas cultures we have seen. With minds like Dagna and Dorian (and others) trading theories then science and magic knowledge should exponantially increase.

*Granted some wide spread cultural apocalypse could result in the knowledge of magic being lost or reduced. As in ANH's Han Solo not believing Jedi are real things. Also one could argue that type of thing has already happened in DA long before the time of DAO.

Afterthought: Star Wars' Midichlorians are not the Force. The Force is still an energy field seemingly with a consciousness, a will of it's own. Midichlorians are just another thing the Force is between; like the rock and the tree and etc etc to paraquote Yoda. Midichlorians are just biological lifeforms. Them being a symbiont that can communicate with it's hosts is no different than any other being communicating with others. Midichlorians are not the Force.

[Qis]

When they justify how and why a Jedi can use The Force, The Force have lost it's magic, it become science fiction now, it is just biological process. Jedi are beings who born with special cell allowing them to manipulate the invisible energy surround things. Biological beings who don't have this special cell cannot do it. In short Jedis are mutant having X-gene.

 

That happen when you put in scepticism in magic, it destroy it's charm. Before it was being introduced, The Force is something mystery, although Obi wan explain what The Force is, it is still a mystery and his explanation don't directly indicate any logical explanation on how and why a Jedi can manipulate this mystery energy. So now it is just science, not magic.

 

Similar thing will go into Dragon Age when you put science in it, you will try to reason everything. When you find reasons, magic lost it's charm, magic become science. "Oh it is because this and that", it is not a wonder anymore, not a mystery. Magicicans have their charm because of the mysteriousness surround them. Where they got their ability, where they learn them, what is really happening, how they make things happen, what is the nature of their power and how they use it? They maintain their charm when their secret are not exposed, or else "ah they put tiny string on the stage!"

 

Magic is feared in Thedas, it is a mysterious power conduct by Mages. When there is an alternative to this power, gun powder, then magic lost it's charm because there is an alternative power replacing it. Before, only Mages can blow up stuff using magic, now non-mage can blow up stuff without using magic.

 

Science destroy magic.

[MyKingdomCold]

As has been said, making swords and other metal weapons is also science. Do swords destroy magic?

[Qis]

As has been said, making swords and other metal weapons is also science. Do swords destroy magic?

 

Actually yes, if sword is more powerful than magic.

 

You waving your hands to cast spell, i cut your hands, now you can't wave your hands anymore.

 

Science win.

[zambingo]

Star Wars never says Jedi are born with Midichlorians, which isn't to say they aren't just that it is not said. It is said Midichlorians exist and they can communicate with those trained to hear them. It implies Midichlorians exist in greater numbers in those with greater ability. It specifically says Midichlorians are not the Force by nature of them being a separate lifeform that can relay It's will... It's will, not Their will.

There are numerous problems with the Prequels but this one is minor when you listen to what is said, not what fans believe they heard.

[MyKingdomCold]

Actually yes, if sword is more powerful than magic.
 
You waving your hands to cast spell, i cut your hands, now you can't wave your hands anymore.
 
Science win.

That is if you can get to me first. Anyway, the point is magic and swords are "together" for who knows how long in Dragon Age. And science or swords haven't destroyed magic yet

[zambingo]

Actually yes, if sword is more powerful than magic.

You waving your hands to cast spell, i cut your hands, now you can't wave your hands anymore.

Science win.

You saw Solas "medusa" the Qunari, right? lol

You are reaching troll levels. Dragon Age isn't magic or science, it's magic and science. If your brain can't reconcile that move on to another franchise

[Qis]

Technology in Thedas already can rival magic, sword and axes can hack Mages skull, now there is another advance technology that is gun powder.

 

Soon Mages themselves will abandon magic and use this advance technology against their opposition.

[Neon Rising Winter]

Actually yes, if sword is more powerful than magic.
 
You waving your hands to cast spell, i cut your hands, now you can't wave your hands anymore.
 
Science win.

Well that went all superman versus batman very suddenly.

[zambingo]

Technology in Thedas already can rival magic, sword and axes can hack Mages skull, now there is another advance technology that is gun powder.

Soon Mages themselves will abandon magic and use this advance technology against their opposition.

Magic can open portals to another dimension and reanimate the dead. Thedas does not yet have the mundane science to rival that magic.

Try again?

[MyKingdomCold]

Eh, given a choice between being Harry Potter or being Rambo, I'd rather be Harry Potter

[Ashagar]

I always question why they make Qunari have gun powder in DA2, and Anders blow up the Chantry using a bomb, because it is out of place.Once you put in science in magical world, everything will fall.

 

i. Tevinter Imperium have war with Qunari for so long, they know Qunari have gun powder, why those Mages never steal this thing and used it against Templars?

 

ii. With a gun, there is no need to waste years learning magic to become powerful just because want to compete with Templar anti-magic power

 

iii. No need to deal with demons for Blood Magic, the reason to use blood instead of mana is because want to against Templar who can drain mana and nulify magic

 

iv. Qunari will sure conquering the world because nothing can stop gun unless someone in Thedas is Neo who can stop bullet in mid air

 

v. Anders know how to make bomb, powerful bomb it is, so it is just logic Mages know how to make one themselves, why they never make it to against the one who opress them all these time?

 

vi. All the Mage vs Templar conflict can just simply solved with gun

 

So in the next game, they should just drop the idea of there is gun powder in Dragon Age, just make it Qunari lost it somehow or whatever reason

 

Hate to break it to you but even excluding that in RL guns and canons existed since before the late middle ages but guns did not replace swords in wining battles. It was the socket bayonet in the mid-late 18th century that did in swords and other melee weapons not guns as military firearms were wildly inaccurate weapons well into the 19th century that were more likely to fail to hit the broad side of a barn then hit the target you shot at. Battles were pointedly won in the charge and the melee not the exchange of gunfire.

 

Also if we look at the setting history the Qunari's canons and chemical weapons didn't stop the Qunari from getting thrown off of almost all of thadas once the Thadasians got over the shock as the Qunari's techology didn't protect them from the local's magic.

[Qis]

You saw Solas "medusa" the Qunari, right? lol

You are reaching troll levels. Dragon Age isn't magic or science, it's magic and science. If your brain can't reconcile that move on to another franchise

 

 

Those Qunari don't use their guns, if they did, Solas is dead

[Qis]

Magic can open portals to another dimension and reanimate the dead. Thedas does not yet have the mundane science to rival that magic.

Try again?

 

Soon there will be, because there is already advance science in Thedas, just how long it will rival magic?

 

If you can blow up stuff with gun powder, you don't need magic to do the same. That is the simplest rule in fantasy.

 

Why Neo can stop bullet? It is because they want to make martial art magic awesome, otherwise science still rule and Neo dead.

[Neon Rising Winter]

Those Qunari don't use their guns, if they did, Solas is dead

Clearly they needed more preparation time.

[Ashagar]

Doubtful, as I noted guns for most of their history of existence were extremely inaccurate, they were also slow to load even for professional solders, could only be fired a few rounds before the barrels became too hot from the black powder and had a very short range practical range and that's not going into the gunpowder creating a literal fog of war as the blackpowder used until the late 19th century created.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Those Qunari don't use their guns, if they did, Solas is dead

 

Magical barriers are a thing.