You see, archery, that is the knowledge of using bow and arrow is so primitive, it is one of the oldest technology ever used by mankind, it is basically a slinger, to sling a sharp pointed stick to the target.
Even this very basic technology, primitive technology, something that appear after mankind getting out from caves, is far more awesome than any Magic in Thedas, just imagine how awesome the most primitive gun is...
The already existing primitive technology overcome magic, so Mages should start abandon magic and learn science...it is far worth it
You're still at this? And now a bow and arrow are "more awesome" than magic? Wait, my mistake, far more awesome! Meh, we'll see how effective a bow and arrow are in windy conditions or a heavy rainstorm.
Anyway, another series that has "magic" is Mass Effect to some degree, right? I mean, are biotics considered "magic" in some form or other? Some races like the Asari are born with it. So take Liara for example, do you think she'd rather use her innate biotic abilities or a gun?
Primitive guns were not much of a threat to anything but enemy moral and extremely comically short ranged, even the vastly more advanced firearms from around the time of the American revolution were more likely to miss than hit their target and that was in their effective range of 40 to 50 yards, which is why battles were decided in the charge and melee. As for Archery, good combat archery takes decades of practice to make it effective.
You're still at this? And now a bow and arrow are "more awesome" than magic? Wait, my mistake, far more awesome! Meh, we'll see how effective a bow and arrow are in windy conditions or a heavy rainstorm.
Anyway, another series that has "magic" is Mass Effect to some degree, right? I mean, are biotics considered "magic" in some form or other? Some races like the Asari are born with it. So take Liara for example, do you think she'd rather use her innate biotic abilities or a gun?
I think the Biotics are considered something along the realms of Psychic Powers, which is kind of magicy but is something that shows up in Science Fiction Fantasy a lot. Something along the lines of enhancing the natural Energy produced from the mind with Technology and allowing you to extend that energy outside of your body to do things. It's pseudo science at best, but it's a pretty common trope and always seems to correspond a lot with advanced tech.
It seems the OP has no interest in actual discussion as evident by her lack of adressing the counterarguments made and by her simply restating her own supposed arguments. A shame.
No one have interest in actual discussion and only want to say "i want guns in Dragon Age"
No-one has said that they wanted guns in Dragon Age OP, they simply have said that rudimentary guns may be possible in the current setting (though they wont be good ones),
Also, most people lately have been debating against your completely non-nonsensical assumptions that in the Dragon Age Universe: Magic and Science are somehow incompatible (which presumably they are not), that Magic is stagnant (which it most assuredly isn't), and that somehow scientific advancement in DA will eventually make Magic obsolete (which it really wont).
No one have interest in actual discussion and only want to say "i want guns in Dragon Age"
If you guys want guns, fine...it is fine...like i care about Dragon Age anymore
If you no longer care why are you still here? I don't get it.
Also, you just posted that magic should be left in a "magical universe" while science should be left in a scientific universe otherwise it'll be ridiculous. Yet when someone brought up Arcanum earlier you said you were perfectly fine with that. Again, I don't get it.
Isn't qunari gaatlok alchemy anyway? I thought that was why the Vidasala needed something from the dragon she had in captivity, because it was a component for her bombs. They even named the whole plan Dragon's Breath.
Certainly whatever Anders did with his gunpowder ingredients was more magic than chemistry. Simple gunpowder bombs don't explode into a tower of red light.
Even this very basic technology, primitive technology, something that appear after mankind getting out from caves, is far more awesome than any Magic in Thedas, just imagine how awesome the most primitive gun is...
This is silly. Arrows were better than guns for centuries.
You're making less sense the longer you keep up with this.
No-one has said that they wanted guns in Dragon Age OP, they simply have said that rudimentary guns may be possible in the current setting (though they wont be good ones),
Also, most people lately have been debating against your completely non-nonsensical assumptions that in the Dragon Age Universe: Magic and Science are somehow incompatible (which presumably they are not), that Magic is stagnant (which it most assuredly isn't), and that somehow scientific advancement in DA will eventually make Magic obsolete (which it really wont).
If you no longer care why are you still here? I don't get it.
Also, you just posted that magic should be left in a "magical universe" while science should be left in a scientific universe otherwise it'll be ridiculous. Yet when someone brought up Arcanum earlier you said you were perfectly fine with that. Again, I don't get it.
This topic is about why gun powder destroy the premise being established in DA:O, we never heard any gun powder in DA:O, it just something come out in DA2. That makes DA:I is just non-sense when the most primitive technology having extraordinary magical effect, thus making any future technology is far more greater than magic itself, destroying the original premise
The premise of Arcanum is magic and science will destroy eachother, if you play that game, then you know this. And it is true, in fantasy setting these two just can't mix, there will be a point where one will destroy the other. A hybrid will never reach full potential in either, this is true in original hybrid of fantasy trope. If a hybrid becoming more powerful, then the original premise fall. This is what Skyrim suffering now.
Some of you give excuses such as "gameplay vs story segregration", this is bollocks. If gameplay don't present the premise, then it is already a bad game. You can't say 'magic is dangerous blah blah blah" then make an archer can shoot laser beam from her bow killing everyone with big explotion. That's bullshit
Like i mentioned in original post...Anders can create magical bomb from things you can collect everywhere, manure, drake leftover and, the effect of the bomb is so mega awesome...why Mages don't do that earlier against the Chantry? Why they become Chantry cow all these time? There is no excuse, it is just simple chemistry with some magic. It destroy the premise that magic is dangerous because the way Anders blow up the Chantry is by using (arguably) scientific method.
Oce you put science in magical world, and make it far superior than magic, it become ridiculous....just give Harry Potter a gun, and see what happen
Leave magic alone in magical universe, leave science alone in scientific universe, that's the only way, otherwise it will be ridiculous.
Despite how science has been connotated with technology, science is not technology in itself to my understanding. Science is more a method as per the definition of science; "Knowledge about or study of the natural world based on facts learned through experiments and observations"
Furthermore, magic exist in Thedas and is studied by not only mages but also by scholars who writes about the subject based on experiments and observations; It is a branch of science.
For a longer definition there is this; "Science is an "empirical" field, that is, it develops a body of knowledge by observing tings and performing experiments. The meticulous process of gathering and analyzing data is called the "Scientific method", and we sometimes use science to describe the knowledge we already have. Science is also what's involved in the performance of something complicated; "the science of making a perfect soufflé" - Vocabulary.com
It doesn't matter what the premise of Arcanum was. It had magic and science in the same universe which you said earlier would make the game ridiculous. So in your opinion, is Arcanum ridiculous?
No Arcanum is not ridiculous, the premise itself saying magic and science cannot mix and will destroy each other, you can find middle way but they will not mix, play that game.
If Anders can blow up a Chantry using chemistry, why the hell all Mages don't study chemisty earlier and making bombs? maybe that is the reason why they remove crafting in DA2...and now all Mages totally forgot healing spells, and so medical science can progress...
1. Just because we never interacted with Qunari Black Powder first hand in DA:O doesn't mean it didn't exist. We didn't deal with the Qun at all in DA:O (outside of Sten) and they are the only ones that have that technology ... and they really don't intend to share, as it's one of their biggest military assets. Besides, it's actually kind of remarkable how undefined the Qunari were as a species in DA:O as they were implied to all look something like Sten did. "White-Haired, Bronze Skinned Giants, a head again taller than a man, with frighteningly calm demeanor and a sort of sparkling fire behind their eyes".
2. Arcanum is not Dragon Age, they are two very different settings. Stop bleeding together entirely separate fantasy settings to validate your arguments.
3. Harry Potter is a strange exception, because you are right a gun would have been very helpful to Harry in that series (and he was aware of their existence, it really is just kind of poor writing on Rowling's part) ... but remember how unbelievably isolationist in their relationship with the "Muggles" is. Despite living very close to them, its like the Magical World lives in it's own separate corner of existence and despite this even they have incorporated Muggle technology and Magic (the Train to school and flying car+motorcycle are chief examples of this). The modern technology of the Muggles evolved the way it did precisely because of how isolationist the Magical World was in that setting! Muggle Technology in Harry Potter essentially progressed without the influence of Magic. Also, Harry Potter has nothing to do with DA.
4. The reason for Ander's bomb being so absurdly powerful is solely because he mixed some form of alchemy with magic. It wasn't just one or the other.
Wasn't it your original premise that science will destroy magic? Yet, you're saying that in Arcanum magic and science will destroy each other. So magic can destrou science in that game. So wouldn't that make it doubly ridiculous? I mean, any game where science isn't superior to magic is ridiculous in your opinion right?
No Arcanum is not ridiculous, the premise itself saying magic and science cannot mix and will destroy each other, you can find middle way but they will not mix, play that game.
If Anders can blow up a Chantry using chemistry, why the hell all Mages don't study chemisty earlier and making bombs? maybe that is the reason why they remove crafting in DA2...and now all Mages totally forgot healing spells, and so medical science can progress...
And brought back crafting in DA:I.
And no mages have not forgot how to use healing spells, Bioware just decided for the sake of Gameplay it was no longer an immediate process and has some limitations. We see Mages in the Hinterlands using healing magic for the Refugees cared for by Mother Giselle and you can talk to to surgeon in Skyhold and mention to her "isn't it better to leave this to mages with healing magic" and she obstinately refuses their help. While she does have a good point that medical technique and technology needs to progress she also mentions "humors" as good medicine, which is not science in the slightest.
I am about to suggest DA4 and onward will be first person shooter game...that's the direction of this francise anyway, so why not become fully shooter game like Mass Effect and COD...
This topic is about why gun powder destroy the premise being established in DA:O, we never heard any gun powder in DA:O, it just something come out in DA2. That makes DA:I is just non-sense when the most primitive technology having extraordinary magical effect, thus making any future technology is far more greater than magic itself, destroying the original premise
"History calls this the First Qunari War, but it was mostly a one-sided bloodbath, with the Qunari advancing far into the mainland. Qunari warriors in glittering steel armor carved through armies with ease. Their cannons, the likes of which our ancestors had never seen, reduced city walls to rubble in a matter of seconds."
This is a codex entry in Origins. It's further mentioned in Awakening by Dworkin Glavonak.
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Leave magic alone in magical universe, leave science alone in scientific universe, that's the only way, otherwise it will be ridiculous.
If this statement was followed then Star Wars would not have been made since it's universe is a combination of technological science and magic and by this logic, Harry Potter would not have been made since it's universe is a combination of both technological science and magic.
I'm not so terribly fond of this logic myself because a lot of fictional works that are, in my opinion, interesting and enjoyable would not exist and like Lex Luthor stealing forty cakes, that would be terrible.
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