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It's hard to pick Templar or Reaver knowing the costs...


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Warriors generally don't embrace addiction. What do you mean?

 

My most pathetic addictive state was also my weakest point in life.

 

I guess what I mean is to be a http://tvtropes.org/...unctionalAddict (Functional Addict)

 

 

The Inquisitor can take the lyrium but go cold turkey after Cory like Cullen. Like you need to drink the lyrium because the demons or maleficar will kill you, just take the bare necessity. And accept the consequences.


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Does anyone know why Solas will greatly disapprove of the Rift Mage specialization? 



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You're a warrior. You take hits for a living and keep going. If you wanna RP, I think your character needs to toughen up and learn to live with the addiction as another source of pain you have to overcome. That's what warriors do. Templars are only suppose to drink lyrium when they are fighting magic, they aren't suppose to binge like the Chantry makes them and Reavers well, King Calenhad turned out alright.

I don't think King Calenhad was a lyrium addict?

 

"The witch led him to a cave where a Great dragon lay dying. Calenhad used his dagger on the ancient creature and drank some of its blood, gaining new strength that made him undefeatable in battle. A measure of this strength was passed on within the Theirin family from that time onward, and it allowed Calenhad to conquer all of Ferelden and establish his bloodline as royalty, which would endure into the Ages."

 

The above is from the book "Until We Sleep". He drank the blood of an ancient dragon. The Witch may have been Flemeth.



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I don't think King Calenhad was a lyrium addict?

 

"The witch led him to a cave where a Great dragon lay dying. Calenhad used his dagger on the ancient creature and drank some of its blood, gaining new strength that made him undefeatable in battle. A measure of this strength was passed on within the Theirin family from that time onward, and it allowed Calenhad to conquer all of Ferelden and establish his bloodline as royalty, which would endure into the Ages."

 

The above is from the book "Until We Sleep". He drank the blood of an ancient dragon. The Witch may have been Flemeth.

Yeah I'm saying King Calenhad became a reaver and he turned out alright.


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Does anyone know why Solas will greatly disapprove of the Rift Mage specialization?


I don't think he disapproves of the specialization but only your response on why you picked it. If you say you wanted it for power, etc. he disapproves. If you say you picked it to learn more about the Fade, he approves.



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Yeah I'm saying King Calenhad became a reaver and he turned out alright.

 

I wouldn't worry about consequences like that either. DAO was kind of sinister with some specs, I guess, but they're not going to do much anymore.

 

The distaste in some is more a matter of principle. Not consequences. People either love this stuff or hate it.


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Warriors generally don't embrace addiction. What do you mean?

 

My most pathetic addictive state was also my weakest point in life.

I take it that your addiction also gave you magical powers? Because if it didn't, then it, and any other real life addiction, doesn't really compare to Lyrium or Dragon Blood. Warriors are about perserverance. They endure the addiction, because of the power it grants



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I take it that your addiction also gave you magical powers? Because if it didn't, then it, and any other real life addiction, doesn't really compare to Lyrium or Dragon Blood. Warriors are about perserverance. They endure the addiction, because of the power it grants

 

I knew I should have avoided this bump once I saw "EmperorSahlertz".

 

I'd say you "delivered", but it's not exactly that.



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My Inquisitor's strong enough to overcome any lyrium addiction.



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I wish they'd just let us be Seekers. Being an abomination isn't as bad for your health as being a lyrium addict. I chose not to be a Templar as well for that very reason, particularly since my boyfriend was jonesing from lyrium withdrawal.


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I wish they'd just let us be Seekers. Being an abomination isn't as bad for your health as being a lyrium addict. I chose not to be a Templar as well for that very reason, particularly since my boyfriend was jonesing from lyrium withdrawal.


Become a Templar. Have his and her Lyrium filters. Shoot up together, as a couple. It's romantic.
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I wish they'd just let us be Seekers. Being an abomination isn't as bad for your health as being a lyrium addict. I chose not to be a Templar as well for that very reason, particularly since my boyfriend was jonesing from lyrium withdrawal.

It takes a long time to become a Seeker, so that is probably why they didn't open that avenue of approach. And while Lyrium addiction is bad for your health, it is not necesarrily devestating in the short term (or the semi-long term for that matter). Just look at people like Gregoir and Ser, who are both obviously veterans, and show no signs of weakening. The Inquisitor is an exceptional individual, and they will probably be able to endure the Lyrium addiction for longer than most. Also, as Cullen shows, you can beat the addiction. So whenever the Inquisitor wants, he can stop.



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It takes a long time to become a Seeker, so that is probably why they didn't open that avenue of approach. And while Lyrium addiction is bad for your health, it is not necesarrily devestating in the short term (or the semi-long term for that matter). Just look at people like Gregoir and Ser, who are both obviously veterans, and show no signs of weakening. The Inquisitor is an exceptional individual, and they will probably be able to endure the Lyrium addiction for longer than most. Also, as Cullen shows, you can beat the addiction. So whenever the Inquisitor wants, he can stop.

 

Although that also means that when the Quizzy stops taking Lyrium they lose their abilities. From a roleplaying perspective it seems like Templar is a temporary stint unless you want addiction. Champion at least allows for permanence and long term fighting capability....though story-wise being a champion probably doesn't actually give you anything but a fancy flag. 



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Although that also means that when the Quizzy stops taking Lyrium they lose their abilities. From a roleplaying perspective it seems like Templar is a temporary stint unless you want addiction. Champion at least allows for permanence and long term fighting capability....though story-wise being a champion probably doesn't actually give you anything but a fancy flag. 

Yeah, you would lose the physical abilities, but being a Templar is also about the discipline. The discipline to not give in, and to perservere through the addiction. That will never go away. Personally I never saw the Templar spec as a permanent choice for the Inquisitor (storywise), but rather as a tool to combat the evil that the Inquisition faced. All of the three warrior specs are about much more than the physical capabilities they bring with them. They are also about the mindset of the person adhering to the codes of each spec. Power through pain, perserverence through pain(addiction), protection of the weak, and so on.



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I guess the main thing is that 2 out of 3 warrior classes are reliant on external items to be viable - Dragon blood for Reaver and Lyrium for Templars. The other classes simply have you being taught the skills, no outside drugs needed. It's not like you need to drink the blood of your victims to become an assassin.

 

That and the end of Tresspasser is likely to make your addiction worse if you continue since the pain likely heightens the need for it.



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I guess the main thing is that 2 out of 3 warrior classes are reliant on external items to be viable - Dragon blood for Reaver and Lyrium for Templars. The other classes simply have you being taught the skills, no outside drugs needed. It's not like you need to drink the blood of your victims to become an assassin.

 

That and the end of Tresspasser is likely to make your addiction worse if you continue since the pain likely heightens the need for it.

Granted, it did feel a bit "off" that two of the three Warrior specs reqwuired some sort of "sacrifice", while none of the other class specs had such requirements. I personally chalked it up to the mindset of the warrior archetype in general. A warrior is willing to take a beating for his teammates, so it stands to reason that he would be willing to make these kinds of sacrifices.

 

And I think the end of Trespasser left an open enough ending for us to headcanon whatever ending we want for our Inquisitor (for now anyway, until they are mentioned again in some possible sequel).



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I wish they'd just let us be Seekers. Being an abomination isn't as bad for your health as being a lyrium addict. I chose not to be a Templar as well for that very reason, particularly since my boyfriend was jonesing from lyrium withdrawal.

I want to be a Seeker SO badly...

 

But I don't think I want it to be playable.  

 

To become a Seeker... you need to be a specific type of person.  I don't think the game can present you with the type of person a Seeker is.  

 

Cassandra is amazing... she represents a great Seeker personality, but any person who would go through a year of fasting needs purpose and devotion... sarcastic rogues and powerhunger tyrants just wouldn't be able to do it.  

 

If they put the Seeker discipline in... I want it to cost the player something for the power.... 



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Artificer is more suited to a ranged rogue, although Tempest is 50/50

 

 

Yeah I agree although having said that I used tempest as my specialization on my DW rogue and it worked out well for me on that run.



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You don't actually become a Templar nor do you ever come close to joining the order. You just learn their fighting techniques and learn their abilities. Yes you do use Lyrium, but it is clear that you don't use it as often as a real Templar. Seekers actually have similar abilities and do not need Lyrium. So you won't be the same addicted guy like Cullen.

 

You do not become as crazy as an actual Reaver. You become like Iron Bull, studying their techniques and style. You won't be like King Maric or the cultists in DAO. They actually drank the dragon blood too much. You are just like Iron Bull though, just studying their styles.

 

So with both Templar/Reaver techniques, just know that you are studying their ways and not actually becoming them. So you are safe from Dragon Blood insanity and Lyrium addiction. 



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You don't actually become a Templar nor do you ever come close to joining the order. You just learn their fighting techniques and learn their abilities. Yes you do use Lyrium, but it is clear that you don't use it as often as a real Templar. Seekers actually have similar abilities and do not need Lyrium. So you won't be the same addicted guy like Cullen.

 

You do not become as crazy as an actual Reaver. You become like Iron Bull, studying their techniques and style. You won't be like King Maric or the cultists in DAO. They actually drank the dragon blood too much. You are just like Iron Bull though, just studying their styles.

 

So with both Templar/Reaver techniques, just know that you are studying their ways and not actually becoming them. So you are safe from Dragon Blood insanity and Lyrium addiction. 

The Inquisitor told Iron Bull that part of his/her training given by Breaker Thram consisted of drinking the blood of a dragon, thus effectively becoming the real thing compared to his/her subordinate who only possess the style, but not the power (gameplay mechanics aside that is). Although, it is true that the insanity wont kick in, since as far as we know the protagonist has not sipped more than one cup of the beast's blood and Cassandra felt the need to provide warning of further use.



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The Inquisitor told Iron Bull that part of his/her training given by Breaker Thram consisted of drinking the blood of a dragon, thus effectively becoming the real thing compared to his/her subordinate who only possess the style, but not the power (gameplay mechanics aside that is). Although, it is true that the insanity wont kick in, since as far as we know the protagonist has not sipped more than one cup of the beast's blood and Cassandra felt the need to provide warning of further use.

 

I know you actually drink it. And as I said, you don't drink it too much. Just like you don't take Lyrium too much. 



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Seekers actually have similar abilities and do not need Lyrium.

 

Seekers are supposed to have completely different abilities. We don't see this in DAI, though, probably because a unique specialization tree the player wouldn't have access to was deemed less than ideal.



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Seekers are supposed to have completely different abilities. We don't see this in DAI, though, probably because a unique specialization tree the player wouldn't have access to was deemed less than ideal.

 

I don't think so. Seekers also hunt down apostate mages. They are also chosen from within the Templar ranks. They are the Military Police of the Templar order. Yes they have different abilities, but many are similar. 



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As a reaver you get DRAGON CLAWS and a brand new form that turns your body darker and surrounds it with FLAMES.

It's 100% worth it.



Did I mention the dragon claws?

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As a reaver you get DRAGON CLAWS and a brand new form that turns your body darker and surrounds it with FLAMES.

It's 100% worth it.



Did I mention the dragon claws?

 

 

Claws are cool, but wings would be so much better.  :lol:  I love playing as a Red Dragon Disciple in NWN. :D