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#76
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Thats because the joker is a wacky person 
 
ledger got nothing. all he did was playing a mental person without any humor whatsoever ( and whats with his stupid tounge licking) awful !
 

I know the truth hurts.


Uhm... read Killing Joke then tell me Joker is 'wacky'.

As for humancentric... why is having a human pov so bad?

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The series has always been humanity-centered. This is not Dragon Age. It has been about humans and their journey into the unknown literally since Day One.


But in ME1 and ME Revelation humans werent the galaxy superstars like they became in ME2 and ME3.

Humans simply became the perfect and ideal species.
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As for humancentric... why is having a human pov so bad?

Because we get it in almost everything else. A lot of people like the races of Mass Effect and want to experience the franchise through them. 



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That's what the ME series needs, yet another story were humans are the only ones who can save the day.  <_<


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But in ME1 and ME Revelation humans werent the galaxy superstars like they became in ME2 and ME3.

Humans simply became the perfect and ideal species.

Well, they made them more plot relevant with the fact that they were chosen to be the next Reaper, but I don't see how they're perfect or idea. Also, they were already special in  ME. Their rise in the galactic community was something no species previously did. They gained a embassy (and Spectre) and at least a seat in no time, they co-created a really advanced ship, and they saved the Citadel. They were already the galaxy superstars.

Also the fact that the focus is on humanity doesn't mean the'd be perfect or ideal in Andromeda.



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Because we get it in almost everything else. A lot of people like the races of Mass Effect and want to experience the franchise through them.


And then Bioware will be forced to divide resources, plus the progagonist's history won't be woven into the narrative as tightly.

Better to keep it to one species.

And I don't understand why this is a surprise. We were told at E3 the protag is connected to n7. Which is an Alliance program.

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Well, they made them more plot relevant with the fact that they were chosen to be the next Reaper, but I don't see how they're perfect or idea. Also, they were already special in  ME. Their rise in the galactic community was something no species previously did. They gained a embassy (and Spectre) and at least a seat in no time, they co-created a really advanced ship, and they saved the Citadel. They were already the galaxy superstars.

Also the fact that the focus is on humanity doesn't mean the'd be perfect or ideal in Andromeda.

 

Now in MEA all the species are on the same level again :P


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And then Bioware will be forced to divide resources, plus the progagonist's history won't be woven into the narrative as tightly.

Better to keep it to one species.

And I don't understand why this is a surprise. We were told at E3 the protag is connected to n7. Which is an Alliance program.

That would be great. I would love to have no backstory woven into the narrative. I want my characters to have a blank slate. 

 

I disagree. 

 

It's not a surprise. I've been assuming the worst(aka this) for months, but holding out a little hope. Now that little hope is gone.

 

 



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TIM would be so happy that humanity is front and center in Andromeda. Humanity #1

 

*"Umanity" #1.



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Humans Are Special is a tired trope that portrays humanity as being inherently superior to other space-faring species or possessing more admirable qualities. That isn't necessarily the same thing as having a human protagonist or a human story.

 

Although given Bioware's track record I fully expect humans to be the only ones capable of finding new worlds in Andromeda and for alien characters to wax poetic about how special humanity is.


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Humans Are Special is a tired trope that portrays humanity as being inherently superior to other space-faring species or possessing more admirable qualities. That isn't necessarily the same thing as having a human protagonist or a human story.

 

Although given Bioware's track record I fully expect humans to be the only ones capable of finding new worlds in Andromeda and for alien characters to wax poetic about how special humanity is.

Don't forget the asorry are special crap. Apparently its ok they don't show up for the summit or reveal the beacon until the reapers are knocking on their backdoor and we can't say anything about it especially to the asari councilor. But that's ok. They're the special


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Humans Are Special is a tired trope that portrays humanity as being inherently superior to other space-faring species or possessing more admirable qualities. That isn't necessarily the same thing as having a human protagonist or a human story.

 

Although given Bioware's track record I fully expect humans to be the only ones capable of finding new worlds in Andromeda and for alien characters to wax poetic about how special humanity is.

Wonder if humans are more genetically diverse than the andromedan races too.


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And then Bioware will be forced to divide resources, plus the progagonist's history won't be woven into the narrative as tightly.
Better to keep it to one species.
And I don't understand why this is a surprise. We were told at E3 the protag is connected to n7. Which is an Alliance program.


Shepard's back story wasn't even really mentioned either so... what would really be the difference?
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That would be great. I would love to have no backstory woven into the narrative. I want my characters to have a blank slate. 
 
I disagree. 
 
It's not a surprise. I've been assuming the worst(aka this) for months, but holding out a little hope. Now that little hope is gone.


And with no narrative people start screaming the way they did about DAI. Plus this means they can tell a more personal story, which to me, is appropo due to the fact that this kind of thing does have a personal angle. Leaving your old life behind, not knowing what happened, the uncertainty of the future.

There are eight bipedal races in the ME galaxy outside of humans. Of them only three have human like features: Asari, Drell, and Batarian.

Quarians don't count considering if this is pre ME3 ending they aren't leaving their suits. The volus aren't all that suitable as PCs. And then you have the Krogan, Salarians and Turians. I can't imagine that those three would be anything but resource sinks due to the requirements for customization.

So then we're back to the Asari, Drell, and Batarians, which will cause people to scream since why not have Turians, Krogan and Salarians.

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The Main Character will be a human, male or female, sporting N7 gear. [4] [5] [44] That is because of relatability reasons,  as the story is “very much a human one”.

 

This is kind of a Catch-22 when it comes to writing science fiction that involves aliens. Every single one of Mass Effect's alien races, characters and how their cultures work all comes from... well, human writers. That detail alone means that aliens will have 'human' elements in them that we can relate to since we have no knowledge of what real space fairing alien cultures are like. So I find it ridiculous and rather pompous for the writers to say that we would not be able to relate to the aliens in Mass Effect series simply because we might not relate to them.... even though they've given us the option to fall in love and have sex with them.

 

I think a good science fiction writer would realize that in a universe as large and diverse as the one seen in Mass Effect, what makes humanity special shouldn't be looked at as 'exclusive' to humanity. A human who prides himself on being an explorer might not want to think that this makes him special when an Asari strides for the same thing. Just look at Liara for crying out loud. She is one of the most curious and explorative characters in the entire series (A LOT more than Shepard), yet here we have a trailer telling us that 'humanity' are the explorers. 

 

BioWare had the opportunity to give players the option of creating alien characters in their Mass Effect universe, but they said no because that would be too challenging. The only reason we would not be able to relate to a leading alien character is if BioWare deliberately made them unrelatable. 

 

"We definitely don't want you to relate to them, but we certainly want you to have sex with them."


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Oh, come now.  Look how the persecuted pilgrims survived hardships in the New World and the results today. The narrative is there. And, does it really matter where the story begins? Isn't the journey where it matters?

You mean the humans will go in Andromeda to annihilate the local advanced races, destroy the local species by bringing Milky way animals and take all the ressources for themselves?

It is not the story of humans discovering a new galaxy. It is the story of all the ME races discovering a new galaxy. They are all egal. I get the feeling that the Humanity N°1 has no background at all with such a setting.


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This isn't news - congrats on being months late to the human protagonist - and therefore human-centric - story!



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That would be great. I would love to have no backstory woven into the narrative. I want my characters to have a blank slate. 

 

I disagree. 

 

It's not a surprise. I've been assuming the worst(aka this) for months, but holding out a little hope. Now that little hope is gone.

 

This is Mass Effect, not Elder Scrolls. Bioware doesn't make blank slate characters with a 5-10 hour main story. They always have us take the role of a specific adventurer so that they can tell a specific story. If you want something different, Fallout 4 is coming out next week.



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This isn't news - congrats on being months late to the human protagonist - and therefore human-centric - story!

Well, the human-centric is pretty new for me. The MC and all the crew (from various species) comes together in one massive ship in a fresh new galaxy. Totally and completely forgetting all the other races of the ME lore to make an human-centric plot in this condition is pretty impressive.



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Well, the human-centric is pretty new for me. The MC and all the crew (from various species) comes together in one massive ship in a fresh new galaxy. Totally and completely forgetting all the other races of the ME lore to make an human-centric plot in this condition is pretty impressive.

 

Of course there are alien crew members and colonists, but since the human protagonist is pretty clearly the star of the show a la Shepard, the game and plot are pretty obviously focused on you - the human - and your story, while also dealing with your alien pals (also like before - although I fully expect more placation/politicking).

 

What would you have called ME1-ME3 anyway, alien-centric? Because the attention was always squarely on Shepard and human advancement/survival (although it obviously became about keeping every species alive towards the end).



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Of course there are alien crew members and colonists, but since the human protagonist is pretty clearly the star of the show a la Shepard, the game and plot are pretty obviously focused on you - the human - and your story, while also dealing with your alien pals (also like before - although I fully expect more placation/politicking).

 

What would you have called ME1-ME3 anyway, alien-centric? Because the attention was always squarely on Shepard and human advancement/survival (although it obviously became about keeping every species alive towards the end).

ME1 was the discovery of the ME world and we got an glimps of the place of humanity : Those of arrogant, bellicist and fresh new race of the Milky Way.

ME2 was the discovery of the black face of the ME world. We met several non-human characters and, in fact, is only human-centred because of TIM and his team. The humanity has here the role of the innocent prey of an unknow threat and the aliens concelours are depicted as stupid guys...

ME3 was the "hold the line" plot. You are a spectre and try to gather forces against the reapers. The fact that the Earth is the main target and that the majority of the united forces are humans made the plot weak for me. If it was the Citadel it would make sense : ME1 described the Citadel as the main control center of all the Mass Relay.

 

MEA is about the discovery of a fresh new galaxy. WHY must the aliens stay on the background? All the races have the same chances at the beginning? No? Because the Asari, Turians and Salarians have waaaaaayyyyy more story with space exploration, know a lot more about discovering unknown places but they must stay back? Makes no sense for me.



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Good.


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Good.

A simplistic, straight to the point post. The BSN isnt as lost as i thought.

 

You people can whine about it all you want but its already done. Human or bust, dont like it then dont play it or go frolic in MP.


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Fine by me.



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And with no narrative people start screaming the way they did about DAI. Plus this means they can tell a more personal story, which to me, is appropo due to the fact that this kind of thing does have a personal angle. Leaving your old life behind, not knowing what happened, the uncertainty of the future.

There are eight bipedal races in the ME galaxy outside of humans. Of them only three have human like features: Asari, Drell, and Batarian.

Quarians don't count considering if this is pre ME3 ending they aren't leaving their suits. The volus aren't all that suitable as PCs. And then you have the Krogan, Salarians and Turians. I can't imagine that those three would be anything but resource sinks due to the requirements for customization.

So then we're back to the Asari, Drell, and Batarians, which will cause people to scream since why not have Turians, Krogan and Salarians.

You mean a lot of people liking how much of the protagonist was up to them? Oh no, how terrible. Our character actually being our character, just like Bioware said. You can have personal angles without having a predefined backstory. Games have done it before. 

 

As for Asari, Batarian, and Drell being the only options, so? Have to start somewhere, and the races with the same skeletons as humans is a good place to start. 

 

This is Mass Effect, not Elder Scrolls. Bioware doesn't make blank slate characters with a 5-10 hour main story. They always have us take the role of a specific adventurer so that they can tell a specific story. If you want something different, Fallout 4 is coming out next week.

Sure they have. KOTOR had you be a blank slate, since your old life was gone because amnesia. Dragon Age: Inquisition pretty much had a blank slate protagonist.

Fallout 4 has a very defined backstory for the protagonist. 


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