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[dreamgazer]

I'm just pointing out it's looking less and less like a carefully-planned-out soft reboot and looking more and more like panicked flight from ME3's backlash.

Because of a one-minute teaser that featured a ship between two galaxies and a bunch of archival footage with a farewell message from Shepard playing in the background?

[AresKeith]

Except EC was a "final goodbye"

 

Then Citadel was a "final good-bye"

 

Now this teaser.

 

When it the Absolutely Positively LAST Final Goodbye?

 

When we see a full ME:A trailer

[Iakus]

Because of a one-minute teaser that featured a ship between two galaxies and a bunch of archival footage with a farewell message from Shepard playing in the background?

Unless they can provide a lore-friendly way explaining how such a ship got there with a live crew, and a war with the Reapers going on, yes.

[Drone223]

Well obviously nothing catastrophic happened since they got to Andromeda

It'd be very unrealistic if there were no complications that occurred during the journey.

[dreamgazer]

Except EC was a "final goodbye"
 
Then Citadel was a "final good-bye"
 
Now this teaser.
 
When it the Absolutely Positively LAST Final Goodbye?

EC was a compromise, Citadel was a love-letter, and this teaser was Shepard passing the torch as a final good-bye. Seems pretty clear to me.

[AresKeith]

It'd be very unrealistic if there were no complications that occurred during the journey.

 

Then we'll have to wait and see for more info or till the game comes out to know

[ZombiePopper]

I think it would be funny if a lot of the people who you got emails about being dead were actually selected for the Ark project.

Actually....
That's a brilliant idea!

[Hudathan]

Hmmmmmmmmmm, I would like that, but at some point they will have to make contact with milky galaxy in this case, and then we have to have some relevant news or something. I want to see how the bioware will deal with this problem.

 

Or maybe they never hear from the Milky Way again. It sounds grim but that's the sci-fi scope of it all. They have to carry on for their own sake and hope for the best, maybe make decisions on whether or not things like tradition and religion has any meaning now that their previous worlds might be gone. It can make for some good writing material for the entire game.

[Il Divo]

Unless they can provide a lore-friendly way explaining how such a ship got there with a live crew, and a war with the Reapers going on, yes.

 

Eh, to me lore friendly indicates we need some accurate sense of our resource levels.

 

ME3 tried to throw around phrases like "throw everything we got" at the Crucible and obviously that's not working with ME:A. But that approach isn't even supported by everything else we see in ME3 and/or Citadel.

 

ME2, love it or hate it, established that we're doing super secret research projects via Cerberus with the SR2. While a technical retcon, at this point super secret research projects supported by the Council/Alliance collectively is believable. Though I'm not sure what they're on about with Shepard's narration.

[Drone223]

Then we'll have to wait and see for more info or till the game comes out to know

Don't get your hopes up.

[dreamgazer]

Unless they can provide a lore-friendly way explaining how such a ship got there with a live crew, and a war with the Reapers going on, yes.

What's "lore-friendly"? After all, ME1 pulled tricks out of its hat with super-special brain filters and a secret prototype relay that worked more like a teleportation device. That kind of thing has happened repeatedly throughout the series.

[AresKeith]

Don't get your hopes up.

 

Why? As along as it's an enjoyable game with a decent story It doesn't bother me all that much

[Andrew Lucas]

Why? As along as it's an enjoyable game with a decent story It doesn't bother me all that much

Some people need to revise their concept of games. You said it all.

[Mr.House]

The salarians are attacked near the end of the war and it's clear that the Dalatrass is holding back Salarian resources. I mean, I think you can easily end up with zero war assets from the Salarians.

STG rebels and then Velarn goes over her head when he is saved. The salarians where active in the war after the coup.

[Il Divo]

Why? As along as it's an enjoyable game with a decent story It doesn't bother me all that much

 

Agreed. ME2 is one of my favorite games of all time and well, and it doesn't take all that much to poke the premise right full of holes between Shepard's resurrection and Cerberus retcons, amongst other things.

[Kalas Magnus]

The salarians are attacked near the end of the war and it's clear that the Dalatrass is holding back Salarian resources. I mean, I think you can easily end up with zero war assets from the Salarians.

salarians. cant trust 'em.

[dreamgazer]

Agreed. ME2 is one of my favorite games of all time and well, and it doesn't take all that much to poke the premise right full of holes between Shepard's resurrection and Cerberus ret cons.

Hell, its title is even full of holes, given that it isn't a proper sequel.

[goishen]

Except EC was a "final goodbye"

 

Then Citadel was a "final good-bye"

 

Now this teaser.

 

When it the Absolutely Positively LAST Final Goodbye?

 

 

The minute you finally let it go. 

[Eyes_Only]

A final farewell from shepard and the ark sets off.

 

rather what I expected all along. hardly seemed to make sense otherwise for an exploration ship to set out during a massive invasion. And this way we can still have our ending in ME3 be unchanged. no need for canon ending of the trilogy by bioware. We set off before the crucible was finished and likely out of contact with the milky way to ever learn how it ended.

 

I'm in favor of this.

[Andrew Lucas]

The minute you finally let it go.

Wise.

[Il Divo]

Hell, its title is even full of holes, given that it isn't a proper sequel.

 

Too soon. Still, pretty damn accurate, haha.

[AresKeith]

Agreed. ME2 is one of my favorite games of all time and well, and it doesn't take all that much to poke the premise right full of holes between Shepard's resurrection and Cerberus retcons, amongst other things.

 

I can do it with every single game I've played, it would literally ruin gaming for me if I constantly did that

[whogotsalami]

If the Ark was indeed built during the events of ME3 I'd like to see a thorough explanation of how a spaceship of gargantuan proportions (inside concept art) was built simultaneously with the Crucible which we are told was also a massive galactic undertaking (not to mention a galactic community being torn apart by the Reapers).

 

If it was built between ME1/ME2 or ME2/ME3 or whatever I have a question of why was it built in the first place since basically 99% of Milky Way is unexplored and the ME races were dismissive of the Reaper threat.

[Mr.House]

The minute you finally let it go. 

Then Bioware should stop pulling this crap.

[AlanC9]

Except the argument was it took everything they had to build the Crucible in that time frame.  We're scrambling about sending "everyone who can hold a hammer" to Hackett.  Diverting crucial resources away from "the only way to stop the Reapers" seems massively foolish.

It only seems that way because you haven't thought about the problem. All you're doing is feeling about it.

I guess I'll have to walk you through it. Let's do a simple version where Crucible success is simply pass/fail. We've got finite resources. We've got enough to do both a cheap version of the Crucible and an Ark, or a more-expensive version of the Crucible. We have a totally unknown required value for the Crucible to succeed.

We've got three possible states for the required success value.

Case 1: The required Crucible power is less than the cheap version of the Crucible. The Ark is irrelevant. We win.

Case 2: Required Crucible power is greater than the cheap option, but less than the expensive option. Building the Ark turns victory into mere survival.

Case 3: Required Crucible power is greater than our total resources. The Crucible is irrelevant; if we build the Ark we survive, otherwise not.

It's only in case 2 that building the Ark will be counterproductive. In case 3 not building the Ark is fatal. We don't need to think about case 1 since we automatically win. On the evidence available in the time-frame, you'd have to say that case 3 is pretty likely. How likely is case 2 ? Unless the Ark costs a fairly large percentage of the available resources, case 2 is unlikely to be the case, and therefore refusing to build an Ark is a very bad idea.


 

And obviously this ship is an established fact.  I'm just pointing out it's looking less and less like a carefully-planned-out soft reboot and looking more and more like panicked flight from ME3's backlash.

No, I said that the Crucible was an established fact, so you can't make an outright impossibility argument. You can make an availabke-resources argument, but that fails as above.