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[AlanC9]

Doing it well means more work.

Hand waves means less work

What counts as doing it well? What's your counterproposal? I remember you saying that it couldn't be done at all, but that's not useful here.

[themikefest]

The salarians are attacked near the end of the war and it's clear that the Dalatrass is holding back Salarian resources. I mean, I think you can easily end up with zero war assets from the Salarians.

Depending on the playthrough, the player can have O Krogan war assets. In my case, that has happened several times with the salarians helping. And depending on the playthrough, the salarians can have more than the asari. That has happened in a few of my playthroughs

[prosthetic soul]

EC was a compromise, Citadel was a love-letter, and this teaser was Shepard passing the torch as a final good-bye. Seems pretty clear to me.

Compromise?   There are so many things wrong with the fact that you view the EC as a compromise I can't even begin to to count them. 
 

If EC was a compromise I don't even want to know what will happen if we gamers ever get the raw end of the deal in your eyes. 

[Barquiel]

STG rebels and then Velarn goes over her head when he is saved. The salarians where active in the war after the coup.

Valern (if he survives) gives you one fleet (the alliance has at least eight fleets, and the salarian navy is larger). They are clearly holding back the lionshare of their forces for their own use. And you don't need the STG to build an ark.

I'm not saying it's a perfect scenario, but "salarians secretly built the ark with some asari/turian help at the beginning of the war" would be an explanation I could accept *shrugs*

[KingofTime]

Its like the ME team has run out of original ideas or something. Its pretty sad.

[Andrew Lucas]

I love these people who already finished Andromeda. Please, enlighten us with your thoughts, gimme all the details of the story, from start to finish.

[AlanC9]

Compromise?   There are so many things wrong with the fact that you view the EC as a compromise I can't even begin to to count them. 
 
If EC was a compromise I don't even want to know what will happen if we gamers ever get the raw end of the deal in your eyes.

Wouldn't that just be the pre-EC endings? Or maybe KotOR 2's.

[Red of Rivia]

You think I didn't? I blame this teaser. Now I have to boot ME3 and win the war once again....

Yeah, Now I remember the Warden hahaha

 

Or maybe they never hear from the Milky Way again. It sounds grim but that's the sci-fi scope of it all. They have to carry on for their own sake and hope for the best, maybe make decisions on whether or not things like tradition and religion has any meaning now that their previous worlds might be gone. It can make for some good writing material for the entire game.

And create a new civilization and etc? I do not think so, not because it is meaningless or something, but I doubt that bioware would do this, the air seems to be another type of game. Of course, it seems that they will establish colonies, but I think it will somehow be connected to the main body of government in Milky Galaxy.  I wish sincerely that was it, but I doubt it.

[o Ventus]

I can't wait to see how they justify a ship actually leaving the galaxy.

[Eryri]

Except the argument was it took everything they had to build the Crucible in that time frame. We're scrambling about sending "everyone who can hold a hammer" to Hackett. Diverting crucial resources away from "the only way to stop the Reapers" seems massively foolish.

And obviously this ship is an established fact. I'm just pointing out it's looking less and less like a carefully-planned-out soft reboot and looking more and more like panicked flight from ME3's backlash.

An additional wrinkle is that as massive an undertaking as the Crucible was, at least those building it had detailed plans to work from. Plans which were apparently, but improbably, "surprisingly simple and elegant" or words to that effect.

An intergalactic vessel, however, would have to be designed from scratch , and would probably require a drive that was reverse engineered from Reaper tech as well as hibernation technology for the crew and a powerful and reliable energy source to run it all. No small feat in a war. The Council species would effectively have to catch up to the level of technology that the Reapers and Protheans possessed in a matter of months. It would probably take even more effort and resources than the Crucible itself.

I'm sure there's ways that Bioware could make that seem believable, but they will have to use some top notch technobabble to make that fly.

[dreamgazer]

Compromise? There are so many things wrong with the fact that you view the EC as a compromise I can't even begin to to count them.

Please do. Count them.

If EC was a compromise I don't even want to know what will happen if we gamers ever get the raw end of the deal in your eyes.

Gamers have gotten far worse. It was, indeed, a compromise.

[whogotsalami]

An additional wrinkle is that as massive an undertaking as the Crucible was, at least those building it had detailed plans to work from. Plans which were apparently, but improbably, "surprisingly simple and elegant" or words to that effect.

An intergalactic vessel, however, would have to be designed from scratch , and would probably require a drive that was reverse engineered from Reaper tech as well as hibernation technology for the crew and a powerful and reliable energy source to run it all. No small feat in a war. The Council species would effectively have to catch up to the level of technology that the Reapers and Protheans possessed in a matter of months. It would probably take even more effort and resources than the Crucible itself.

I'm sure there's ways that Bioware could make that seem believable, but they will have to use some top notch technobabble to make that fly.

 

Sometimes I wonder whether retconning the endings wouldn't be simpler at this point.

 

Now we've got another space magic vessel that nobody including Shephard has heard about in any of ME games and now suddenly it's up and running. I mean, wow.

[dreamgazer]

Sometimes I wonder whether retconning the endings wouldn't be simpler at this point.

They have far simpler options available to them. They want to go to Andromeda.

[Iakus]

What's "lore-friendly"? After all, ME1 pulled tricks out of its hat with super-special brain filters and a secret prototype relay that worked more like a teleportation device. That kind of thing has happened repeatedly throughout the series.

 

"lore friendly" would be something that expands upon what is already "known"  rather than just making new sh*t up.

 

Specifically:

 

Given the current usage of of an eezo core before requiring a discharge can be measured in days, How can you get one to run constantly for centuries?

Given the "throw everything we have at the Crucible" mentality of the last game, How do we recocile throwing so many resources at this ship?

Given what we know of their capabilities, How do they know the Reaper won't follow/aren't already in Andromeda, 

[AresKeith]

Sometimes I wonder whether retconning the endings wouldn't be simpler at this point.

 

The endings weren't the only variables they have to deal with in the whole trilogy 

[Iakus]

What counts as doing it well? What's your counterproposal? I remember you saying that it couldn't be done at all, but that's not useful here.

I have said there really aren't any "good" options given the endings.

 

But I have shown approval of a couple of idea.  Mainly expanding on relay technology.  But as I said, the point is expanding on rules the setting already has in place rather than just handwaving your way past them.

[Iakus]

They have far simpler options available to them. They want to go to Andromeda.

Faster.  Easier.  Not stronger.

[Heimdall]

An additional wrinkle is that as massive an undertaking as the Crucible was, at least those building it had detailed plans to work from. Plans which were apparently, but improbably, "surprisingly simple and elegant" or words to that effect.

An intergalactic vessel, however, would have to be designed from scratch , and would probably require a drive that was reverse engineered from Reaper tech as well as hibernation technology for the crew and a powerful and reliable energy source to run it all. No small feat in a war. The Council species would effectively have to catch up to the level of technology that the Reapers and Protheans possessed in a matter of months. It would probably take even more effort and resources than the Crucible itself.

I'm sure there's ways that Bioware could make that seem believable, but they will have to use some top notch technobabble to make that fly.

A more likely scenario is that this ship was a special project, designed and under construction since Sovereign's attack by some secret section of the government.  In that case, the timescale for designing and constructing the ship becomes more believable.

 

That possibility hasn't been ruled out, has it?

[AresKeith]

[Drone223]

A more likely scenario is that this ship was a special project, designed and under construction since Sovereign's attack by some secret section of the government.  In that case, the timescale for designing and constructing the ship becomes more believable.

 

That possibility hasn't been ruled out, has it?

The "ah yes reaper's" quote and Shepard knowing about the project says otherwise its very obvious the council did nothing prior to the reaper arrival, this is a bad retcon plane and simple.

[dreamgazer]

The endings weren't the only variables they have to deal with in the whole trilogy

It was obvious early in ME2 that they were already getting frustrated with the quantity of variables. Hell, that's largely the purpose for Lazarus, since killing Shepard off for two years drastically minimized those variables.

[Il Divo]

An additional wrinkle is that as massive an undertaking as the Crucible was, at least those building it had detailed plans to work from. Plans which were apparently, but improbably, "surprisingly simple and elegant" or words to that effect.

An intergalactic vessel, however, would have to be designed from scratch , and would probably require a drive that was reverse engineered from Reaper tech as well as hibernation technology for the crew and a powerful and reliable energy source to run it all. No small feat in a war. The Council species would effectively have to catch up to the level of technology that the Reapers and Protheans possessed in a matter of months. It would probably take even more effort and resources than the Crucible itself.

I'm sure there's ways that Bioware could make that seem believable, but they will have to use some top notch technobabble to make that fly.

 

In theory, if we're able to find simple Crucible plans, I suppose we could also find advanced ship design plans: easy/quick to build, but requiring enough resources that we can only afford to build one of them.

[dreamgazer]

In theory, if we're able to find simple Crucible plans, I suppose we could also find advanced ship design plans.

Or, retrofitting an existing ship. I still kinda like that idea, and this cycle has a long history of riding tech coattails.

[Il Divo]

Or, retrofitting an existing ship. I still kinda like that idea, and this cycle has a long history of riding tech coattails.

 

Absolutely, Destiny Ascension (round two) or something similar.

[AlanC9]

Sometimes I wonder whether retconning the endings wouldn't be simpler at this point.
 

Sure. On the laziness scale a total retcon is easily #1