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[AresKeith]

People don't think Shepard is actually saying that in-game do they?

 

Oh some have been over-analyzing the trailer

[Killroy]

You obviously don't know what an echo chamber is.
 
https://en.wikipedia...chamber_(media)
 
This is the BSN in a nutshell. People are heaping loads of undeserved praise over BioWare's subpar, badly designed games while meeting even the tiniest sliver of criticism with seething hostility.

Except that's demonstrably false. The BSN was overwhelmingly negative about Mass Effect after ME3 and has been pretty evenly divided over Inquisition.

It's not baseless or silly when framed through what we have had in mass effect is it.
£20 says it's human led, designed and built mission.

What we've had in Mass Effect? You mean a galaxy controlled by other species? Or humanity being looked down on? Or humans being allies to the Reapers?

[Killroy]

Yeah this is pretty dam bad, and outright silly.
 
"We need to build military strength and resources!"
"Lets make a giant ship filled with a crap load of people and military personal that will take massive resources to send them out of the galaxy."
 
da derrrp

Yeah, I mean who the hell would plan for the worst-case scenario? It's like saving money for a rainy day or something. Bunch of morans...

[Eryri]

Well they definitely didn't plan it. Not planning ahead is almost a trademark in this series. Every single entry has been making it up as they went along.
Snip.

Regrettably, this would indeed appear to be the case. If this is to be the start of a new trilogy or series I really hope they have a definite roadmap for it planned out now. No more creating an enormous rod for their own backs by potentially killing off half their characters in an (admittedly cool) middle instalment, or creating a threat so vast that only a last-minute deus ex culo can save the day.

[Killroy]

Here's the thing the ark ship looks just as big (if not bigger) as the crucible. There is no way that such a project can co exist along side the crucible which is enough to risk bankrupting the galaxy in addition to the rapidly dwindling resources.

 
That's completely false. An even larger project was undertaken by Cerberus at the same time. Cerberus became the largest, most well equipped force in the galaxy over the course of a few months. Clearly the Crucible was not draining every resource from the galaxy.

It's stated time and time again everyone is putting everything in this war, there was no plan B, never even a hint of it. Yet all of a sudden THERE was a plan B. It's a retcon, plain and simple along with lazy writing at best.

How is doing everything you can to assure the survival of the Milky Way races not "putting everything" into the war effort? The Crucible was secret and every major force knew that there was no winning a war against the Reapers. Throwing all of your resources at a traditional war effort against an unstoppable foe and a secret machine that no one knows will actually do anything seems a lot dumber than devoting some resources to an Ark.

[Killroy]

Then why would nobody have heard of it? A ship like that would be frontpage news.

Why weren't any of Cerberus' massive space stations or giant armies front page news?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why weren't any of Cerberus' massive space stations or giant armies front page news?

Because Cerberus had infiltrators who made sure nobody knew Cerberus existed. 

 

There would be no reason to keep an exploration vessel secret if it was made before the Reaper War. It'd be like NASA keeping the Moon mission secret. 

[Drone223]

 
That's completely false. An even larger project was undertaken by Cerberus at the same time. Cerberus became the largest, most well equipped force in the galaxy over the course of a few months. Clearly the Crucible was not draining every resource from the galaxy.
 

First Cerberus was retcon'd from a small rogue faction of the alliance in ME1 to a galaxy spanning organisation in ME2 and people complained about it. Second the crucible is a project joint effort by multiple governments and organisations the codex states that the galaxy is willing to risk economic collapse to complete it. If the crucible project alone is enough to cause economic collapse than there is no way the galaxy can afford another project on a similar scale. 

[shepskisaac]

C'mon Hanako, u really should just accept what's coming ;P

[Heimdall]

Regrettably, this would indeed appear to be the case. If this is to be the start of a new trilogy or series I really hope they have a definite roadmap for it planned out now. No more creating an enormous rod for their own backs by potentially killing off half their characters in an (admittedly cool) middle instalment, or creating a threat so vast that only a last-minute deus ex culo can save the day.

I really hope they've learned from that lesson.  So much of the trilogy is very poorly thought out in hindsight.

[Killroy]

Because Cerberus had infiltrators who made sure nobody knew Cerberus existed.

Except 50% of the people in the galaxy knew about Cerberus by the time they brought Shepard back from the dead.
 

There would be no reason to keep an exploration vessel secret if it was made before the Reaper War. It'd be like NASA keeping the Moon mission secret.

There would be a very good reason to keep an Ark vessel/mission secret. As soon as the **** hit the fan everyone in the galaxy would be clamoring to get aboard.

First Cerberus was retcon'd from a small rogue faction of the alliance in ME1 to a galaxy spanning organisation in ME2 and people complained about it.

Entirely irrelevant.

Second the crucible is a project joint effort by multiple governments and organisations the codex states that the galaxy is willing to risk economic collapse to complete it.

Also irrelevant. They faced economic collapse either way. And it was built in like 3 months.

If the crucible project alone is enough to cause economic collapse than there is no way the galaxy can afford another project on a similar scale.

Except the Crucible wasn't causing economic collapse. The Reapers were. And it's a deeply rooted Mass Effect tradition for massive secret projects to come out of nowhere.

[Addictress]

Pretentious trailer, not to mention a total wannabe Interstellar:



Somehow, it still gets me excited. I love the theme, but I'm concerned whether BIoware has any audacity about it or if they're just trying to be Interstellar The Game (...And High-Spectacle Gunplay + Romance-Simulator). I mean, you gotta ask, is this really some video-game writer's own ideas or is he too in awe of his favorite movie?

You could say Mass Effect was largely ripping off established ideas all throughout though... still, I feel Mass Effect 1 was just trying to be itself. ME2 or ME3 had more obvious style-similarities or maybe it was because it was jarring how they were inspired by non-sci-fi movies which clashed with ME1's sci-fi style or I dunno.

All things considered, this is just a trailer, and probably not gonna indicate the style of narrative the actual game has. That said, it's hard to be super-impressed by it IMO.

It is unfortunately a lot like Interstellar but that said, the Interstellar teaser was damn good as well and it's a shame for such grand Apollo montages to be sequestered by only one piece of media.

[Addictress]

And it's a deeply rooted Mass Effect tradition for massive secret projects to come out of nowhere.

I love this quote

[Riven326]

Basically the voice over is Commander Shepard sending a speech to the crew of the Ark who are about to embark on their journey to Andromeda. To me this pretty much confirms that the Ark leaves the Milky Way during the events of the Original Trilogy, my guess is probably at least sometime between ME2 and ME3. It also confirms that the majority of the people on the Ark are Human. Where the other council races tie into this I'm not sure.

It still seems like they're going back on their word when they already said that Shepard would not be in this game.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

C'mon Hanako, u really should just accept what's coming ;P

Oh, I've accepted it. I just also hate it and hope there is something good in this game. So far though, no such luck. 

 

Except 50% of the people in the galaxy knew about Cerberus by the time they brought Shepard back from the dead.
 

There would be a very good reason to keep an Ark vessel/mission secret. As soon as the **** hit the fan everyone in the galaxy would be clamoring to get aboard.

Because Cerberus started to be less subtle in their actions. We see their grip on secrecy start to slip in Mass Effect 1. 

 

At the time before the Reaper War, when the ship was made according to the person I was replying to, there was nothing to keep secret since at that time not even Shepard knew about the Reapers. 

[Heimdall]

Because Cerberus had infiltrators who made sure nobody knew Cerberus existed. 

 

There would be no reason to keep an exploration vessel secret if it was made before the Reaper War. It'd be like NASA keeping the Moon mission secret. 

There's no reason another organization couldn't do the same.  The shadowbroker and Cerberus were fairly blind to one another's activities, a similarly equipped organization could feasibly do the same.  They aren't omniscient.

 

The more likely starting date would be after Sovereign's attack.  Three years is still a stretch, but much more believable than a few months.  Spacing out the construction over that time would also make the effort less noticeable.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There's no reason another organization couldn't do the same.  The shadowbroker and Cerberus were fairly blind to one another's activities, a similarly equipped organization could feasibly do the same.  They aren't omniscient.

So some organization as powerful as Cerberus and the Shadow Broker but leave absolutely no footprint? That's impossible. Plus the Shadow Broker and Cerberus knew a lot about each other. The Shadow Broker knew where several Cerberus facilities were when they gave the info to Admiral Kahoku, and Cerberus knew where the actual Shadow Broker was located. 

 

The more likely starting date would be after Sovereign's attack.  Three years is still a stretch, but much more believable than a few months.  Spacing out the construction over that time would also make the effort less noticeable.

Depends. If most of the ship's superstructure, including all the parts needed for intergalactic travel, already existed and then the three years were just adding on to it then maybe. That's why I like Black Ark Theory since at least then it is possible. 

[N7Jamaican]

Am I the only one that feels that the N7 Day Trailer should have came first, then the Announcement trailer? Seems a bit backwards to me. But I loved both trailers regardless of the order.

[shepskisaac]

Am I the only one that feels that the N7 Day Trailer should have came first, then the Announcement trailer? Seems a bit backwards to me. But I loved both trailers regardless of the order.

Yep, but what can we do. We can always watched in reversed order now

[Killroy]

Because Cerberus started to be less subtle in their actions. We see their grip on secrecy start to slip in Mass Effect 1.

So then why weren't their massive(disposable) space stations and armies front page news? You already contradicted yourself.
 

At the time before the Reaper War, when the ship was made according to the person I was replying to, there was nothing to keep secret since at that time not even Shepard knew about the Reapers.

Except yes there is. If you had a plan to leave the galaxy behind and populate another galaxy, why would you make it public? Do you think no one would try to sabotage your Ark, or be desperate to join it?

[Hurbster]

I'm still curious at to why they would go to Andromeda which is 2.537 million light years from Earth. Obviously it would be a smidgen nearer at the time of the story as the two galaxies will eventually collide (but not for about another 4 billion years) but I do look forward to their reasoning.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So then why weren't their massive(disposable) space stations and armies front page news? You already contradicted yourself.

How come we don't know where all of ISIS's main strongholds are? An organization can be known and even drop all subtlety yet keep secrets. 

 

Except yes there is. If you had a plan to leave the galaxy behind and populate another galaxy, why would you make it public? Do you think no one would try to sabotage your Ark, or be desperate to join it?

Why wouldn't they? At the time it would have been no different than populating other star systems in the Milky Way. Do you think the Systems Alliance kept the plan to colonize Eden Prime, Terra Nova, etc secret too? Sure there is the risk of sabotage, but no more so than the other colonization efforts. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm still curious at to why they would go to Andromeda which is 2.537 million light years from Earth. Obviously it would be a smidgen nearer at the time of the story as the two galaxies will eventually collide (but not for about another 4 billion years) but I do look forward to their reasoning.

Probably name recognition. Most people know that Andromeda is a galaxy, while most don't know about the dwarf galaxies orbitting the Milky Way, other than the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds. 

[shepskisaac]

Probably name recognition. Most people know that Andromeda is a galaxy, while most don't know about the dwarf galaxies orbitting the Milky Way, other than the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds. 

Pretty much, I wish they at least opted for Triangulum. Just as good as Milky Way/Andromeda yet way less overused

[Heimdall]

So some organization as powerful as Cerberus and the Shadow Broker but leave absolutely no footprint? That's impossible. Plus the Shadow Broker and Cerberus knew a lot about each other. The Shadow Broker knew where several Cerberus facilities were when they gave the info to Admiral Kahoku, and Cerberus knew where the actual Shadow Broker was located.

The gathered some information about a longstanding organization that isn't actually much of a secret, as far as its existence is concerned, in the intelligence community, seeing as it started as part of that community. Cerberus didn't know where the base was until after Liara took charge, and only after agents still connected to them were directly involved in helping Liara track the location down. Maybe she was sloppy. They were the first people to do it, too. Even then, they didn't manage to put a dent in the Broker's dealings or infrastructure, which they are still ignorant of.

The Shadowbroker and Cerberus both wanted people in certain circles to know they existed, and both were large organizations with operations across the galaxy.

The organization funding this project, probably a secret section of the government, wouldn't have nearly as much exposure because it isn't political or interested in making a name for itself as an information dealer. The only exposure they risk would be in getting materials from A to B, which these other organizations manage just fine for their projects. Scale could be an issue, but remember, we still don't know the size of this ship. Though if they coopted an existing structure and modified it that would make things a lot easier.
 

Depends. If most of the ship's superstructure, including all the parts needed for intergalactic travel, already existed and then the three years were just adding on to it then maybe. That's why I like Black Ark Theory since at least then it is possible.

What's Black Ark Theory?