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[Killroy]

How come we don't know where all of ISIS's main strongholds are? An organization can be known and even drop all subtlety yet keep secrets.

You proved my point. The US government knows where ISIS' bases are but we, the general public, do not.

Why wouldn't they? At the time it would have been no different than populating other star systems in the Milky Way. Do you think the Systems Alliance kept the plan to colonize Eden Prime, Terra Nova, etc secret too? Sure there is the risk of sabotage, but no more so than the other colonization efforts.

That's absurd. Who in their right mind would treat colonizing another galaxy the same as colonizing a planet one solar system away?

[Anacronian Stryx]

I'm still curious at to why they would go to Andromeda which is 2.537 million light years from Earth. Obviously it would be a smidgen nearer at the time of the story as the two galaxies will eventually collide (but not for about another 4 billion years) but I do look forward to their reasoning.

Because Andromeda is a really cool name.

[Drone223]

Entirely irrelevant.
 

Bioware has a bad track record when it comes to retcon's so and this ark project is indeed a retcon so it is relevant.

 

Also irrelevant. They faced economic collapse either way. 

 

It's was stated multiple times in ME3 that the entire galaxy is throwing all its resources into the crucible. The ship seen in the trailer would be on a similar scale to the crucible.

 

And it was built in like 3 months.

 

With the crucible they at least had the luxury of already having blueprints. The ark on the other hand would need be built from scratch and it'd be something that take decades to complete.

 

Except the Crucible wasn't causing economic collapse. The Reapers were. 

 

 

"What is clear is that the Crucible's construction is a massive effort, drawing resources from throughout explored space. Staggering financial costs have been disregarded in the common effort to create something, anything, that can stop the Reapers."

That indicates that the crucible is more than enough to cause economic collapse.

 

And it's a deeply rooted Mass Effect tradition for massive secret projects to come out of nowhere.

 

And looked how they turned out, they were all poorly written/implemented.

[shepskisaac]

What's Black Ark Theory?

Modified Collector ship instead of building an Ark from scratch

 

 

That's absurd. Who in their right mind would treat colonizing another galaxy the same as colonizing a planet one solar system away?

Pretty much. Maybe it would make sense if 75% of all Milky Way systems and stars were colonized and the galactic society needed new place of resources. With 1% done, there's no reason at all to jump to Andromeda. Reaper threat is the only good reason

[CronoDragoon]

Huh. Guess we can rule out the wormhole.

[Grieving Natashina]

I've been thinking about this, and I have a theory as to how the ship itself came into being.

I think the Asari had been building this for quite some time, possibly centuries before ME1. My theory is that they were intending to eventually go to Andromeda to get that first foothold into a new area. This would have helped establish some superiority/seniority in yet another galaxy. I could see them doing this in order to possibly establish some route between the two galaxies.

From what we've seen so far, it reminds me of a Collector's ship as well, in the sense that this is meant to hold millions of people. The Citadel itself would be a good inspiration, as it was a ship/structure built to house a lot of people. I think the Ark was originally meant for the Asari for their own purposes. To be the first to contact new races; the first to discover new resources; they could set up the government they way they saw fit, ect. They are brilliant and arrogant, so it made sense in my mind.

Now, I think they left around Thessia's Fall. The Asari could no longer bring along their own population as a sole means of establishing a new colony (with most of their race involved in the fighting directly, or were a casualty,) so they worked with the Council members to start quietly pulling some of their qualified citizens and military from various Council races (including humans) away from the front lines. As far as to whether or not they saw the Crucible fire I think really depends upon if they went into cryogenic sleep right away or not.

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong about this, but I tried to think of a good explanation that didn't require tons of mental gymnastics to get to. It would make zero sense if this ship was built just due to the Reaper War.

Finally, when the Asari Councillor says, "I never thought this day would come," I was reminded about something many (if not most) civilizations share in common. Many religions and cultures have stories involving the end of the world, or the end of all life as we know it. Given that the Asari's beliefs came from the Protheans, there could have been a warning passed down to watch for the End of the World. Over time, the message became unclear (like the game Telephone,) and as the Asari became more scienfitically minded, they probably dismissed those stories as relics from a more primitive era.

This is all in my opinion, and stuff I've been thinking about while I wait for the final patch for DA:I to come out. I'm not strong enough in science or math to offer any opinions about how the ship would travel. I'm only thinking of the story side. Speculation is fun.

[Heimdall]

Modified Collector ship instead of building an Ark from scratch

Oh... I'm okay with that idea.

[shepskisaac]

Oh... I'm okay with that idea.

Well in the end it's still Reaper tech/engines so. Never been much issues reverse-engineering it during the course of the series. Assuming Reaper FTL speed (30 light years/day) the Ark would arrive in Andromeda after about 200 years. "Standard" FTL of Citadel races (12 ly/day) would result in around 500 years.

[straykat]

Well in the end it's still Reaper tech/engines so. Never been much issues reverse-engineering it during the course of the series. Assuming Reaper FTL speed (30 light years/day) the Ark would arrive in Andromeda after about 200 years. "Standard" FTL of Citadel races (12 ly/day) would result in around 500 years.

 

And they still need a massive drive to continuously travel long distances (and nothing near that has been done yet). And discharge the core in intermediate periods... which apparently is done near planet's magnetic fields. In dark space, I don't know where you'd do this.

[CronoDragoon]

I've been thinking about this, and I have a theory as to how the ship itself came into being.

I think the Asari had been building this for quite some time, possibly centuries before ME1. My theory is that they were intending to eventually go to Andromeda to get that first foothold into a new area. This would have helped establish some superiority/seniority in yet another galaxy. I could see them doing this in order to possibly establish some route between the two galaxies.

 

I like this, because Thessia showed the asari are sneaky little bees.

[Killroy]

Bioware has a bad track record when it comes to retcon's so and this ark project is indeed a retcon so it is relevant.

No it isn't.

It's was stated multiple times in ME3 that the entire galaxy is throwing all its resources into the crucible. The ship seen in the trailer would be on a similar scale to the crucible.

It was never a literal statement. The Salarians weren't even aiding with the Crucible.

With the crucible they at least had the luxury of already having blueprints. The ark on the other hand would need be built from scratch and it'd be something that take decades to complete.

How'd you fish that number out of your ass?

"What is clear is that the Crucible's construction is a massive effort, drawing resources from throughout explored space. Staggering financial costs have been disregarded in the common effort to create something, anything, that can stop the Reapers."
That indicates that the crucible is more than enough to cause economic collapse.

No it doesn't. It says the cost is staggering. Nothing more.

And looked how they turned out, they were all poorly written/implemented.

So why are you drawing this arbitrary line in the sand now?

[shepskisaac]

And they still need a massive drive to continuously travel long distances (and nothing near that has been done yet). And discharge the core in intermediate periods... which apparently is done near planet's magnetic fields. In dark space, I don't know where you'd do this.

Reapers/Collectors don't have discharge issues, they travelled 'on foot' from Dark Space to MW

[Grieving Natashina]

I like this, because Thessia showed the asari are sneaky little bees.

Indeed it did. The way I look at the Asari is to take the Tolkien-style elves, replace magic with biotics, replace the pointy ears and almond shaped eyes for blue skin and tentacles and there ya go. Just as arrogant, considered by many to be the most attractive race (YMMV big time,) very long lived.

Heh, I know Asari are supposed to be an homage to the "green alien babes" from Star Trek, but they are really the typical High Elves in a Science-Fantasy setting.

[AresKeith]

Indeed it did. The way I look at the Asari is to take the Tolkien-style elves, replace magic with biotics, replace the pointy ears and almond shaped eyes for blue skin and tentacles and there ya go. Just as arrogant, considered by many to be the most attractive race (YMMV big time,) very long lived.

Heh, I know Asari are supposed to be an homage to the "green alien babes" from Star Trek, but they are really the typical High Elves in a Science-Fantasy setting.

 

High alien babes

[Grieving Natashina]

High alien babes

That works for me. Does anyone edit TVtropes in this thread? This needs to be added.

[Iakus]

I like this, because Thessia showed the asari are sneaky little bees.

Also shows they're not nearly as smart as they think they are

[shepskisaac]

I for one hope Asaris weren't invited to the Ark

[Grieving Natashina]

Also shows they're not nearly as smart as they think they are

Agreed. Pride goeth before the fall and all that.

I for one hope Asaris weren't invited to the Ark

I know the reddit leak said that we will have an Asari squad mate and last I recall, the devs were implying it pretty heavily. I've got Krogans back, so I'm happy.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Pretentious trailer, not to mention a total wannabe Interstellar:

 

 

Somehow, it still gets me excited. I love the theme, but I'm concerned whether BIoware has any audacity about it or if they're just trying to be Interstellar The Game (...And High-Spectacle Gunplay + Romance-Simulator). I mean, you gotta ask, is this really some video-game writer's own ideas or is he too in awe of his favorite movie?

 

You could say Mass Effect was largely ripping off established ideas all throughout though... still, I feel Mass Effect 1 was just trying to be itself. ME2 or ME3 had more obvious style-similarities or maybe it was because it was jarring how they were inspired by non-sci-fi movies which clashed with ME1's sci-fi style or I dunno.

 

All things considered, this is just a trailer, and probably not gonna indicate the style of narrative the actual game has. That said, it's hard to be super-impressed by it IMO.

 

Calling it right now. The Andromeda will be saved through the power of love.

[Heimdall]

Well in the end it's still Reaper tech/engines so. Never been much issues reverse-engineering it during the course of the series. Assuming Reaper FTL speed (30 light years/day) the Ark would arrive in Andromeda after about 200 years. "Standard" FTL of Citadel races (12 ly/day) would result in around 500 years.

I know the numbers. The chief issue for me was whether or not they could build it and reverse engineer the tech in the time allotted. This solves a lot of those problems. And a secretive government agency could potentially have acquired and been studying the ship for a long time.

[AlanC9]

It's was stated multiple times in ME3 that the entire galaxy is throwing all its resources into the crucible. The ship seen in the trailer would be on a similar scale to the crucible.
 

You sure? It looks a lot smaller to me.

[Heimdall]

Agreed. Pride goeth before the fall and all that.


I know the reddit leak said as such, and last I recall, the devs were implying it pretty heavily. I've got Krogans back, so I'm happy.

They were? Huh. I haven't really been following news for this game.

I'm surprisingly fine with that.

[shepskisaac]

You sure? It looks a lot smaller to me.

Hard to tell the scale really, but if this is the interior of sphere section (and most likely it is), then it's not small:

 

[AresKeith]

Agreed. Pride goeth before the fall and all that.

I know the reddit leak said that we will have an Asari squad mate and last I recall, the devs were implying it pretty heavily. I've got Krogans back, so I'm happy.

 

They have?

[AlanC9]

Hard to tell the scale really, but if this is the interior of sphere section (and most likely it is), then it's not small:

Oh, it's big, sure. But as big as the Crucible? Anyone want to do the math? I don't trust our impressions ever since iakus confidently told me that the Collector Cruiser didn't dwarf Alliance cruisers.