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[AlanC9]

I fail to see how an ark ship can be a small scale project.

I said smaller. Small-scale relative to the Crucible, but not anything else.

[AlanC9]

Its something that clearly can't be built in a few months or years it would take decades at least. its why it makes no scene for such a ship to be built along side the crucible.  But that's just one of the many things wrong with the whole ark ship concept.

This is incoherent. If the ark ship would take decades, then the Crucible would too.

[Drone223]

I said smaller. Small-scale relative to the Crucible, but not anything else.

Point still stands a feat such as making an ark ship to go to another galaxy can't be done on a smaller scale compared to the crucible.

 

This is incoherent. If the ark ship would take decades, then the Crucible would too.

The galaxy had the luxury of having the blue prints for the crucible. The ark ship would require having to do everything from scratch designing the thing, making sure it works etc something that can't be done if a few months. 

[dreamgazer]

[AresKeith]

The galaxy had the luxury of having the blue prints for the crucible. The ark ship would require having to do everything from scratch designing the thing, making sure it works etc something that can't be done if a few months. 

 

They'd still have to build something as massive as the Crucible which would still take decades if building an Ark ship would

[Heimdall]

Its something that clearly can't be built in a few months or years it would take decades at least. its why it makes no scene for such a ship to be built along side the crucible.  But that's just one of the many things wrong with the whole ark ship concept.

On what are you basing this required size estimate?

[BMcDill]

I loved this trailer.  My guess, ME3, 1/2 way through the game or near the end.  Looks like earth is getting hit hard, but maybe not enough to be destroyed, depending on your Shep.  I do belive however that earth thinks it may very well loose the war.  Time to send the arc.

[Addictress]

Part of me is hoping for a moment for the character similar to the Haven attack to Skyhold sequence, minus Mother Ducklips' singing of course.

I don't want to start a war here, but imo the inquisitor was the worst. They were a special Exalted snowflake from the beginning or at least how the character was presented felt that way. The character was just awful, awful

Please don't encourage Bioware to take ANY notes from Inquisition pleeeaasssee

[Iakus]

 

The galaxy had the luxury of having the blue prints for the crucible. The ark ship would require having to do everything from scratch designing the thing, making sure it works etc something that can't be done if a few months. 

Not to mention an Ark ship will have to run for centuries keeping a crew of thousands or more people alive.  That's a major design project by itself.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Point still stands a feat such as making an ark ship to go to another galaxy can't be done on a smaller scale compared to the crucible.

 

The galaxy had the luxury of having the blue prints for the crucible. The ark ship would require having to do everything from scratch designing the thing, making sure it works etc something that can't be done if a few months. 

Unless like Black Ark Theory suggests the galaxy already had most of the work done for them by taking a Collector Cruiser and making it more suitable for us or taking the information from one, which we have, and building a ship from it.

[Drone223]

They'd still have to build something as massive as the Crucible which would still take decades if building an Ark ship would

The implementation of the crucible with no past development was why people had a problem with it, an ark ship will fear no better. 

[Iakus]

 

Pretty good assumptions.  We're not carving a canoe here.  THis is a ship meant to travel further than any other vessel in recorded history, carrying what is presumably the last survivors of a galactic war, to an unknown region of space where it cannot count on support of any kind.  Unknowns on top of unknowns on top of unknowns THat this ship will have to be ready for.  It will have to be ready for every conceivable worst-case scenerio

 

So yeah, "It can't be done in a few months" is not exactly a stretch, despite your rather snide response.

[shepskisaac]

Point still stands a feat such as making an ark ship to go to another galaxy can't be done on a smaller scale compared to the crucible.

 

The galaxy had the luxury of having the blue prints for the crucible. The ark ship would require having to do everything from scratch designing the thing, making sure it works etc something that can't be done if a few months. 

The galactic society knows how to make ships that don't just spontaneously self-implode or lose air, c'mon. Crygenic freezing is old news. Embryo manipulation, reproduction in laboratories, VIs, maintenance, recycling, being self-suficient. Crucible is not a comparable project, the Citadel civilization doesn't even fully understand what the Crucible is doing. Ark is mostly old and available technology, research and science. The only obstacle is discharging/speed which Reaper tech can provide solution for and the lore has established multiple instances of reverse engineering it

[dreamgazer]

Pretty good assumptions.  We're not carving a canoe here.  THis is a ship meant to travel further than any other vessel in recorded history, carrying what is presumably the last survivors of a galactic war, to an unknown region of space where it cannot count on support of any kind.  Unknowns on top of unknowns on top of unknowns THat this ship will have to be ready for.  It will have to be ready for every conceivable worst-case scenerio
 
So yeah, "It can't be done in a few months" is not exactly a stretch, despite your rather snide response.

Those aren't the only assumptions being made, sir.

And really, "rather snide"?

[Iakus]

Those aren't the only assumptions being made, sir.

And really, "rather snide"?

Yes.  "rather snide"  I found your response incredibly rude.

 

And while it is debatable which project is more "Beyond the Impossible" This ark project would not be a minor undertaking under even ideal circumstances.  Gathering supplies and materials for this could have been a game in itself.

 

They'd still have to build something as massive as the Crucible which would still take decades if building an Ark ship would

Crucible doesn't need supplies for however many thousands colonists (likely levo and dextro-based both), fuel, spare parts and power to last for centuries of space travel and no repair or refueling facilities

[dreamgazer]

Yes. "rather snide" I found your response incredibly rude.

You're getting more and more sensitive as time goes on, buddy. For someone who's on their way out of the series and who has endless grievances about just about everything, you're getting even touchier about it.

I really don't care if you found it rude. It's true: assumptions everywhere.

And while it is debatable which project is more "Beyond the Impossible" This ark project would not be a minor undertaking under even ideal circumstances. Gathering supplies and materials for this could have been a game in itself.

Well, the ark project wouldn't have the same dedicated resources and immediacy as the Crucible, so yeah, it'll theoretically take longer.

But that, snide as you make think it is, falls into the category of assumptions about the "when" and the "how".

[AlanC9]

Point still stands a feat such as making an ark ship to go to another galaxy can't be done on a smaller scale compared to the crucible.

What's this based on, besides unfounded assumptions?
 

[Sidney]

ARK doesn't require Prothean tech - my assumption. There is no reason this could not have been implemented prior to ME3 and deployed only once the worst case scenario appeared to be unfolding to save the organics.

[dreamgazer]

What's this based on, besides unfounded assumptions?

Shhhh. You're being rude.

[AlanC9]

The implementation of the crucible with no past development was why people had a problem with it, an ark ship will fear no better.

Sure. If you couldn't stand the Crucible, you won't like the Ark either. But if that's the case, you should have been out of here already.

[Iakus]

You're getting more and more sensitive as time goes on, buddy. For someone who's on their way out of the series and who has endless grievances about just about everything, you're getting even touchier about it.

I really don't care if you found it rude. It's true: assumptions everywhere.

What can I say, attitude wears after a while.

 

 

 

Well, the ark project wouldn't have the same dedicated resources and immediacy as the Crucible, so yeah, it'll theoretically take longer.

But that, snide as you make think it is, falls into the category of assumptions about the "when" and the "how".

 

"When" seems to be within the time span of the trilogy.  So yeah, three years to build a self-sustaining intergalactic ship is rather out there

 

"How" is an even bigger question, given it would likely take Reaper tech to make such an undertaking even vaguely plausible.

 

WHich again, takes us to "Within the last three years"

 

It's an assumption, but a pretty safe one.  No need to bring out Woody and Buzz again.

[dreamgazer]

ARK doesn't require Prothean tech - my assumption. There is no reason this could not have been implemented prior to ME3 and deployed only once the worst case scenario appeared to be unfolding to save the organics.

This secret project could've been tucked in a corner somewhere for years, waiting for a rainy day.

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world" might've been enough of a forecast to fire up the engines.

[AlanC9]

Shhhh. You're being rude.

Probably because I talked to an IT guy earlier today. My contempt level always takes some time to go down after one of those sessions. This thread ain't helping much.

[Solas]

If it is an Ark/the Ark project idea, do you think all of the Milky-Way-species squadmates (human, Asari, Krogan etc) came with the PC on the same Ark..? I would have thought so otherwise it would be like "I'm Bob the Krogan and I got here to Andromeda independently on my own through This Other Method" which feels like ???? but then I wondered at not having any crew recruitment events in Andromeda. I guess any hypothetical Andromeda-species squadmates would cover that though.

 

[post contains many assumptions I know, it's just wild speculation]

[Drone223]

The galactic society knows how to make ships that don't just spontaneously self-implode or lose air, c'mon. Crygenic freezing is old news. Embryo manipulation, reproduction in laboratories, VIs, maintenance, recycling, being self-suficient. Crucible is not a comparable project, the Citadel civilization doesn't even fully understand what the Crucible is doing. Ark is mostly old and available technology, research and science. The only obstacle is discharging/speed which Reaper tech can provide solution for and the lore has established multiple instances of reverse engineering it

This a ship that's going to travel non-stop in FTL for a few centuries the project is not going to be as simple as you think it is. Using reaper tech means that you risk indoctrination and reaper core's are much more complex than the ones sued by the galaxy.