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[OriginalTibs]

So if the Ark did leave during the events of ME3, they wouldn't have reached Andromeda before the end. Which means, the people on board the Ark would probably have been able to see the shockwave from the Crucible/Citadel as it covered the entire Galaxy. There must be some speculation above the people onboard about what happened.

 

Just a thought I had. The people on the Ark may know something has happened in the Milky Way, but they're not sure what

Light travels only so fast. If the intergalactic voyage is travelling fast enough to get to Andromeda within a reasonable time frame it may be a very long time before the view is perceptible.

[Heimdall]

So if the Ark did leave during the events of ME3, they wouldn't have reached Andromeda before the end. Which means, the people on board the Ark would probably have been able to see the shockwave from the Crucible/Citadel as it covered the entire Galaxy. There must be some speculation above the people onboard about what happened.
 
Just a thought I had. The people on the Ark may know something has happened in the Milky Way, but they're not sure what

In theory, they would only be able to see it once the light from the shockwave reached them. Since they would be traveling faster than light, they would literally be outrunning the sight of the shockwave.

[zorb69]

We don't know when this project started. As I said before, this colonization prjoect might've been something that started decades ago, irrelevant to the Reapers, but that (as someone said) returned in the spotlight after Sovereign. Because as we know since the Citadel dlc the Council did believe the Reaper's threat, and with a lot of works already done.

I do think there might be some problems in how this ship would work and reach Andromeda, and that Bioware might have screwed up its own lore. I understand the feelings of those who don't want this to happen, because I fee the same. But Bioware screwed up its own lore multiple times with ME, and not just in the lastest installment, so my expectations are much lower on this regard. 

 

Anyway, we still don't know nothing. Everything is possible in terms of when the project started and how it works, so at the moment we can only make assumptions.

 

Bioware could go with their standby - the Protheans did it. The Ark could have started out as a Prothean dark project for an intergalactic ship. I don't remember if there was a firm description of the extent of the Prothean Empire but I believe their ruins are said to be scattered across the entire Milky Way galaxy. If they had completely controlled the galaxy, they might have set out to create an option to spread to other galaxies. Its design similarities to the Citadel come from the fact that it would occupy a similar position in the new galaxy as the centre of the extended Prothean Empire.

 

When the Reaper's arrived the facility where the ship was being built went dark like Ilos and waited for contact by the High Command, something that never happened.

 

Given the asari had their archive for millennia, they could have found information that led them to the ship. It would have had no practical use for them, but they could have used it for technology and design ideas, perhaps guiding the construction of the Destiny Ascension. The fall of Thesia could have resulted in them using it to create an Ark, which would have been much easier and quicker than starting from scratch, and the galactic situation and size of the ship would have resulted in them extending an offer of space on the Ark to other species.

Please note that this is simply speculation, I have no information to support this supposition.

[shepskisaac]

In theory, they would only be able to see it once the light from the shockwave reached them. Since they would be traveling faster than light, they would literally be outrunning the sight of the shockwave.

Just 1 year after leaving Milky Way they would see the state of the galaxy in around 8000 BC, very interesting concept in itself, almost travelling back in time

[von uber]

Indeed. The synthestised people from the milky way could even get there before the Ark.

[Massa FX]

Lots of entertaining comments here! Love the thread. Cannot wait for Andromeda.

 

But, I do want more Shepard games in future. No question. There are many "stories" about Shepard and I want to play them all.

 

<I couldn't care less if you disagree.  >

[Joseph Warrick]

I always liked the geeky element of "whoa we're in space!" from ME1. This video is much less Halo than the previous one. And hats off to the ME1-like logo at the end.

 

"If you look up at any two starry points of light in your own sky, you can very easily think of ships going between them, and those ships full of life and commerce, each ship with its own story, maybe human and maybe not.

People ask where writers get ideas.

Take my advice. Some cool, clear night, drive to a country place where city lights don't block your view. Turn off the car lights. Get out and look up. And see our real neighborhood."

 

— CJ Cherryh

[NKnight7]

ME1 had a good amount of exploring to it which was fun because it was our first trip into space. Andromeda looks to be doing the same thing since we're going into a new galaxy and all.

[Killroy]

They do, trends are things that can't be ignored and the trend regarding Bioware's handling of retcons speaks for itself.

Do they don't, no it doesn't. This is a new creative team and a new game. Get over it.
 

It does back up my claim when they'd risk anything it means anything including economic collapse.

OK, so they would risk anything, but not for a plan B? That makes zero sense. You're applying selective logic to affirm your hiffy fit-induced nonsense.
 

Bioware intended for the crucible to be the only way to stop the reapers, they never considered a back up plan when they made ME3. There's also the fact the council did nothing during ME2 with regards to the reapers.

First of all, an Ark does nothing to stop the Reapers so you're not even making sense. Second, you're assuming the Council make this vessel.
 

An ark will also be just as risky since they never tested that it'll be capable of intergalactic travel and they be no one to save them if they get into trouble.

That's not an argument against making an Ark. That's an argument for having multiple solutions to the Reaper problem.
 

The crucible project and the war effort are taking a huge toll on the galaxies resources, they clearly cant afford another large scale project.

Says who? The quote provided only says they're utilizing resources from throughout explored space and are disregarding the economic impacts of the Crucible's construction. Nowhere in the game is it ever stated that the Crucible is taking every last resource and dollar to construct. In fact, the game tells and shows us otherwise. Cerberus has vast, seemingly endless resources. Your argument is based on nothing but empty conjecture.
 

They won't be testing if their ark ship will be able to stay function for a few centuries.

Yes they will. By launching it.
 

Considering the ship will be carrying the last numbers on many different species, the fact its going to be in FTL for a few centuries none-stop etc. Its clearly not going to be something that be drawn out in a months or years.

First of all, last numbers of many different species? Stop pulling BS out of your ass. Second, why would it take decades to design this ark? There's no logical justification for that assertion.
 

I'm not I'm just pointing the huge leaps of logic and and contrivances the whole ark concept relies on.

No, you're jumping to baseless conclusions about what the Ark is, who's on it, when it was built, how it has to be built, why it was built, etc. You have no facts or logic to support this BS you're spewing.

[Bizantura]

So it is a unimaginative start to a reboot of the previous ME trilogy.

 

Shure the gameplay/action even the storyline can be great but ME it will never be again.  Wonderfull ME world crafted with such potential and what a waste throwing that all away for a far away galaxy propably reached by an stupid arc ship.  Unbelievable!!!

[Iakus]

Do they don't, no it doesn't. This is a new creative team and a new game. Get over it.
 

Refresh my memory.  Who are the Producer and the Creative Director again?

[Iakus]

So it is a unimaginative start to a reboot of the previous ME trilogy.

 

Shure the gameplay/action even the storyline can be great but ME it will never be again.  Wonderfull ME world crafted with such potential and what a waste throwing that all away for a far away galaxy propably reached by an stupid arc ship.  Unbelievable!!!

Who needs logic when you have awesome buttons?  

[Killroy]

Refresh my memory.  Who are the Producer and the Creative Director again?

Apparently you need your memory refreshed on the writing team as well.

[straykat]

Apparently you need your memory refreshed on the writing team as well.

 

All I know about is Chris Schlerf and John Dombrow. Not sure about either. Dombrow did cool things, like Tuchanka. But he also did Thessia and made Garrus my "bro".

 

Stop with the bros, please... I don't have this void in my life. And I don't even like my real bro.

[Heimdall]

So it is a unimaginative start to a reboot of the previous ME trilogy.

 

Shure the gameplay/action even the storyline can be great but ME it will never be again.  Wonderfull ME world crafted with such potential and what a waste throwing that all away for a far away galaxy propably reached by an stupid arc ship.  Unbelievable!!!

it isn't a reboot, that's not what that term means.

 

ME was crafted haphazardly and on the fly, more and more as the series when on.  I've found my respect and fondness for it waning with the passage of time.  I'm hoping a fresh start will allow the team to put a little forethought into their efforts this time.

[Fiery Phoenix]

So it is a unimaginative start to a reboot of the previous ME trilogy.

 

Shure the gameplay/action even the storyline can be great but ME it will never be again.  Wonderfull ME world crafted with such potential and what a waste throwing that all away for a far away galaxy propably reached by an stupid arc ship.  Unbelievable!!!

You're misusing the word 'reboot'.

 

Andromeda may well be the first entry of a new trilogy, but that doesn't make it a reboot. It is a sequel by all accounts.

[Drone223]

Do they don't, no it doesn't. This is a new creative team and a new game. Get over it.
 

Bioware's recent handling of the ME franchise says otherwise, its give people a good indication on what to expect it can't be ignored.

 

 

OK, so they would risk anything, but not for a plan B? That makes zero sense. You're applying selective logic to affirm your hiffy fit-induced nonsense.

 

Bioware never considered making a plan B when they developed ME3 so its very obvious that the crucible was intended to be only thing that galaxy has invested its resources into.

 

First of all, an Ark does nothing to stop the Reapers so you're not even making sense. 

 

Your missing the point when ME3 was being made they never considered implementing a plan B into the story. Its why this whole ark thing is going to end up being very jarring.

 

Second, you're assuming the Council make this vessel.

 

Who else is going to make it the various factions in the terminus systems? The council races are the only ones who are organised enough to carry out such a large project.

 

That's not an argument against making an Ark. That's an argument for having multiple solutions to the Reaper problem.

 

 

Putting a lot of blind faith into an ark ship that might not even get to another galaxy sounds like how the galaxy is putting a lot of blind faith into the crucible.

 

Says who? The quote provided only says they're utilizing resources from throughout explored space and are disregarding the economic impacts of the Crucible's construction. Nowhere in the game is it ever stated that the Crucible is taking every last resource and dollar to construct. In fact, the game tells and shows us otherwise. Cerberus has vast, seemingly endless resources. Your argument is based on nothing but empty conjecture.

 

Hackett's quote regarding "throwing everyone who can hold a hammer" to the crucible project and the various governments and groups contribution to it and the fact that its the larges construction project in the whole galaxy seems to indicate that the galaxy is throwing all its resources into it. As for Cerberus the only reason they're big as they are was because they were retcon'd into being a huge galactic organisation the portrayal of Cerbeus has been very inconsistent throughout the series.

 

Yes they will. By launching it.

 

They aren't because they don't know if it'll be able to actually cope with the stress. Its also good practice to make sure things work proper before using them in the field, they shouldn't use if they know it can potentially blow up in their face.

 

 

First of all, last numbers of many different species? Stop pulling BS out of your ass. 

 

The whole point of an ark is the ensure the survival of many different species, the ones one the ark may end up being the last of their kind for all they know the galaxy lost the war.

 

Second, why would it take decades to design this ark? There's no logical justification for that assertion.

 

Such a project will require lots of planning before they can even start making the bloody ship. Then's there also acquire the necessary resources and building and testing the necessary components. There is simple no feasible such a large scale project can be completed in a few months or years given what it has to achieve. 

 

 

 

No, you're jumping to baseless conclusions about what the Ark is, who's on it, when it was built, how it has to be built, why it was built, etc. You have no facts or logic to support this BS you're spewing.

 

Bioware has released no information regarding the plot and how the ark got to the Andromada galaxy so until they do people can only speculate on how its going to work.

[Drone223]

It would probably help if you explained why instead of going on about how clear and obvious it is. Otherwise it just looks like a self-serving assumption.

Planning, designing, building all the tech, gathering all the resources etc. there is no way that can be done in a few months/years its just common scene.

[Heimdall]

Planning, designing, building all the tech, gathering all the resources etc. there is no way that can be done in a few months/years its just common scene.

No it isn't.  You can't make broad extreme declarations like "it would take decades!" without backing it up.

 

Of course a more likely scenario is that they would coopt an existing ship (Like, say, a Collector Cruiser) and use it as the basis.  At which point three years isn't much of a stretch at all.

[AresKeith]

Planning, designing, building all the tech, gathering all the resources etc. there is no way that can be done in a few months/years its just common scene.

 

Yet they was able to build the Crucible in a matter of months

[WillieStyle]

Lots of entertaining comments here! Love the thread. Cannot wait for Andromeda.

 

But, I do want more Shepard games in future. No question. There are many "stories" about Shepard and I want to play them all.

 

<I couldn't care less if you disagree.  >

 

Thank you for using that phrase properly!

[Il Divo]

You're misusing the word 'reboot'.

 

Andromeda may well be the first entry of a new trilogy, but that doesn't make it a reboot. It is a sequel by all accounts.

 

This is a YMMV kinda deal. Some people call this kind of thing a "soft reboot", since technically speaking it exists in the same universe as the main trilogy. Hard reboots (as per super hero comics) tend to obliterate the entire setting and start over. We could even call it a spin off since it branches off the main narrative, rather than continues the same plot threads.

[Iakus]

This is a YMMV kinda deal. Some people call this kind of thing a "soft reboot", since technically speaking it exists in the same universe as the main trilogy. Hard reboots (as per super hero comics) tend to obliterate the entire setting and start over. We could even call it a spin off since it branches off the main narrative, rather than continues the same plot threads.

Indeed. MEA is clearly an attempt at a soft reboot.  Same universe, but totally disconnected form the original story.

 

WHich is a good idea, in theory.  Even if the endings were *chuckles* "good", they are simply too divergent to continue.

 

Problem is, they're going about this reboot in a way that seems to be urinating all over the lore of the setting.  TO the point where, honestly, I don't know why they are bothering to call this a "Mass Effect" game.

[themikefest]

Yet they was able to build the Crucible in a matter of months

Building the ship/ark/whatever would require more time since the crucible wasn't being built to transport people from one galaxy to another

[Drone223]

 

No it isn't.  You can't make broad extreme declarations like "it would take decades!" without backing it up.

 

 

It is, dreadnoughts take years to complete this is a well known fact in the ME lore the ark project is going to be something on a similar to the crucible with it it has to achieve. There is no way an ark ship can be complete in a few months let a lone three years.

 

Of course a more likely scenario is that they would coopt an existing ship (Like, say, a Collector Cruiser) and use it as the basis.  At which point three years isn't much of a stretch at all.

 

Your forgetting that the collector's are rarely seen outside the Omega 4 relay, finding one is easier said than done even then it doesn't take into account the risk of indoctrination and the years of planning that is required to pull it off. This isn't going to be something than be pulled together in a few years since its going to be something that has no room for error.

 

Yet they was able to build the Crucible in a matter of months

With the crucible they at least had blueprints to work off, with the ark they'll need to do everything from scratch.