Building the ship/ark/whatever would require more time since the crucible wasn't being built to transport people from one galaxy to another
It most likely would require more time which is why I think it was created long before with a different purpose before the Reaper threat came knocking at the door
But saying it would take decades to build when something massive like the Crucible was built in months falls flat
It most likely would require more time which is why I think it was created long before with a different purpose before the Reaper threat came knocking at the door
At this time, I believe the ship/ark/whatever was built and left before the events of ME3
But saying it would take decades to build when something massive like the Crucible was built in months falls flat
That depends on how many were working on it, having the materials available and delivered to the location of where the vessel is being built. I'm sure the game will provide an explanation of how long it took
I'm not too worried about it. I just know a ship was built to take people to Andromeda
All I know about is Chris Schlerf and John Dombrow. Not sure about either. Dombrow did cool things, like Tuchanka. But he also did Thessia and made Garrus my "bro".
Hey, Kai Leng isn't Dombrow's bad, and Leng's the only thing wrong with Thessia itself. (Besides being short)
Taking Javik (written by Dombrow) to Thessia is one of the game's best moments.
Dreadnoughts don't have galactic civilization at stake during their construction. That would light a fire under them. And repeatedly saying this would be on a similar scale to the Cruciible doesn't make it true. Why would it need to be? The Crucible was as large as the Citadel, 44.7km long. An Ark doesn't need to accommodate millions of people, just a few thousand of each species boarding it. That's plenty for a viable population basis. A retrofitted Dreadnought could potentially do the job in terms of space. It certainly needn't be bigger than a Reaper.It is, dreadnoughts take years to complete this is a well known fact in the ME lore the ark project is going to be something on a similar to the crucible with it it has to achieve. There is no way an ark ship can be complete in a few months let a lone three years.
Who says they acquired it just three years ago? Maybe the Alliance found a derelict Collector ship a decade ago not knowing what it is and have been studying it ever since (BTW, Collector technology has never been shown to be capable of indoctrination).Your forgetting that the collector's are rarely seen outside the Omega 4 relay, finding one is easier said than done even then it doesn't take into account the risk of indoctrination and the years of planning that is required to pull it off. This isn't going to be something than be pulled together in a few years since its going to be something that has no room for error.
Who says they acquired it just three years ago? Maybe the Alliance found a derelict Collector ship a decade ago not knowing what it is and have been studying it ever since (BTW, Collector technology has never been shown to be capable of indoctrination).
Or the Alliance can use the data James Vega retrieved on the Collectors and Collector Ship during the events of Mass Effect: Paragon Lost and follow those like they follow the Crucible schematics to build a ship on par with the Black Arks. Anderson or Hackett say it will lead to revolutionary new breakthroughs in technology and they have had it since around the beginning of Mass Effect 2, or around a year before ME3, since they mention determining Shepard as KIA may have been premature. If we can build the Crucible in several months, we can build a Black Ark in a year and several months.
Hey, Kai Leng isn't Dombrow's bad, and Leng's the only thing wrong with Thessia itself. (Besides being short)
Taking Javik (written by Dombrow) to Thessia is one of the game's best moments.
That's why I always bring Javik when I do Thessia, the conversations him and Liara have really make the mission for me.
Dreadnoughts don't have galactic civilization at stake during their construction. That would light a fire under them. And repeatedly saying this would be on a similar scale to the Cruciible doesn't make it true. Why would it need to be? The Crucible was as large as the Citadel, 44.7km long. An Ark doesn't need to accommodate millions of people, just a few thousand of each species boarding it. That's plenty for a viable population basis. A retrofitted Dreadnought could potentially do the job in terms of space. It certainly needn't be bigger than a Reaper.
The ship seen in the trailer is clearly bigger than a dreadnought and a reaper for that matter since it has to carry hundreds of thousands of individuals from many different species who may be the last of their kind. The concept art also shows it to be a fairly massive vessel there is no way it can be the same size as a dreadnought. The things this project needs to achieve will be no small feat since there is going to be a lot ridding on it they'd need to throw a lot of resources at it in order for it to have a chance for succeeding since there are a lot of risks involved in it.
Who says they acquired it just three years ago? Maybe the Alliance found a derelict Collector ship a decade ago not knowing what it is and have been studying it ever since (BTW, Collector technology has never been shown to be capable of indoctrination).
If the the alliance found a derelict collector ship then they would've shared what they know with Shepard during his/her fight against the collectors. We also know humans didn't encounter the collectors until some time prior to the events of ME2 so it pretty obvious the Alliance never encountered the collectors prior to the trilogy.
If the the alliance found a derelict collector ship then they would've shared what they know with Shepard during his/her fight against the collectors. We also know humans didn't encounter the collectors until some time prior to the events of ME2 so it pretty obvious the Alliance never encountered the collectors prior to the trilogy.
No they wouldn't. For all the Alliance knew, Cerberus was working with the Collectors because of what happened on Fehl Prime. The VS mentions this in ME2 and James in ME3, and they were right. And repurposing a ship whose superstructure already exists wouldn't take very long.
I do not think the Alliance would have enough time to build the ark during ME3 even if the council helped them out.
My guess would be that after first contact war the Alliance knew they were not alone in the galaxy and might come across another enemy they could not beat so they started construction of the ark after first contact. That would give them enough time to build it .
Proberly wrong just putting another option in there on how it could be built.
Can any mathematician estimate how many people could fit in a ship this size?
Can any mathematician estimate how many people could fit in a ship this size?
Welp, if you google ryder space wiki, you'll get this : https://en.wikipedia...ki/Space_Mutiny
Which has this...
Plot :
The Southern Sun is a generation ship, or a spacefaring vessel that contains a large number of people, whose mission is to colonize a new world. Its voyage has lasted generations, so many of its inhabitants have been born and will die without ever setting foot on solid ground.
Which doesn't bode extremely well.
No they wouldn't. For all the Alliance knew, Cerberus was working with the Collectors because of what happened on Fehl Prime. The VS mentions this in ME2 and James in ME3, and they were right. And repurposing a ship whose superstructure already exists wouldn't take very long.
The alliance never heard of the collectors to until some time before ME2 and collectors are rarely seen outside the Omega 4 relay. Also only two collector ships have know to exist and its quite clear that one has never been captured. Then there's the indoctrination problem with the ship being full of reaper tech removing it is going to some time and in addition to making sure the ship is full operation and won't blow up during the journey.
Such calculations couldn't be made. We have no idea how large the ship is, how much interior space there is, how much interior space is dedicated to living quarters/sleep pods, etc. We don't even have that sort of info on ships from the trilogy.
The trailer tells us nothing, we just see it drifting through space with nothing to compare it to. Dreadnaughts are massive, with thousands of crewmembers. It might need to be bigger than a dreadnaught, but not not by much. They wouldn't need tens of thousands of each species. A few thousand would be more than enough to restart the population. Besides, if their traveling in stasis pods, they could be packed tightly and wouldn't need to wake everyone up until they found a world viable for settlement. The Collector ship had millions of pods inside with lots of empty space. So there goes that problem.The ship seen in the trailer is clearly bigger than a dreadnought and a reaper for that matter since it has to carry hundreds of thousands of individuals from many different species who may be the last of their kind. The concept art also shows it to be a fairly massive vessel there is no way it can be the same size as a dreadnought. The things this project needs to achieve will be no small feat since there is going to be a lot ridding on it they'd need to throw a lot of resources at it in order for it to have a chance for succeeding since there are a lot of risks involved in it.
The Alliance didn't trust Shepard while she was fighting the Collectors, plus they probably didn't know it was a Collector ship at all, just that it was advanced. That's why I said it was derelict. There were no collectors aboard, it was a dead husk.If the the alliance found a derelict collector ship then they would've shared what they know with Shepard during his/her fight against the collectors. We also know humans didn't encounter the collectors until some time prior to the events of ME2 so it pretty obvious the Alliance never encountered the collectors prior to the trilogy.
The alliance never heard of the collectors to until some time before ME2 and collectors are rarely seen outside the Omega 4 relay. Also only two collector ships have know to exist and its quite clear that one has never been captured. Then there's the indoctrination problem with the ship being full of reaper tech removing it is going to some time and in addition to making sure the ship is full operation and won't blow up during the journey.
The Alliance has heard of them since they joined the galactic community, but like almost everyone else have written them off as superstition. At least that's how it looked to the public. It wouldn't be beyond reason to think the Alliance lied about them, since they lied about the Reapers until the Reapers introduced themselves to humanity at the beginning of the Reaper War.
There are more than two. Many more. There is the one encountered and destroyed on Fehl Prime, there is the one that is destroyed when Shepard attacks the Collector Base, and the Reapers called in all the rest during the Reaper War. Nowhere is it suggested only two were operating in the galaxy before then.
Collector technology has never shown any signs of indoctrination. Chances are it was Prothean tech that was upgraded by Reaper tech, like how EDI was human tech upgraded by parts of Sovereign, yet she never indoctrinated us. Plus the Leviathan DLC establishes that there is Anti-Indoctrination shielding available since it is used on a piece of Sovereign, so they could use that as well.
As for making sure the ship is spaceworthy, that's a simple enough thing to do. Wouldn't even take much resources to refurbish and upgrade one to suit us better.
But saying it would take decades to build when something massive like the Crucible was built in months falls flat
The ship has to be extremely durable, to last centuries, and extremely complex, to keep thousands of people alive for the journey.
That takes precision, and more importantly, time.
Plus a quantum leap in technologiocal advancement, which a whole other thing.
The ship has to be extremely durable, to last centuries, and extremely complex, to keep thousands of people alive for the journey.
That takes precision, and more importantly, time.
Plus a quantum leap in technologiocal advancement, which a whole other thing.
Yeah, but that's all easily solvable via Prothean/ancient artifact #500. They can make it work if they want to.
Welp, if you google ryder space wiki, you'll get this : https://en.wikipedia...ki/Space_Mutiny
Which has this...
Which doesn't bode extremely well.
The trailer tells us nothing, we just see it drifting through space with nothing to compare it to. Dreadnaughts are massive, with thousands of crewmembers. It might need to be bigger than a dreadnaught, but not not by much. They wouldn't need tens of thousands of each species. A few thousand would be more than enough to restart the population. Besides, if their traveling in stasis pods, they could be packed tightly and wouldn't need to wake everyone up until they found a world viable for settlement. The Collector ship had millions of pods inside with lots of empty space. So there goes that problem.
The thousands of passengers isn't going to be the only thing the ship will carry it has to carry the necessary resources to set up several colonies for the various different species. The ship also has to be capable of dealing with the stress of traveling in FTL non-stop for several centuries and no such technology existing during the time period of the trilogy. There is also the fuel needed to carry out the journey which is going to be extremely massive for a journey that's going to last centuries. All of these factors means this is going to be a large scale feat that'll take years and years of preparation before the journey can even start.
The Alliance didn't trust Shepard while she was fighting the Collectors, plus they probably didn't know it was a Collector ship at all, just that it was advanced. That's why I said it was derelict. There were no collectors aboard, it was a dead husk.
Cerberus would've known if the Alliance had found a collector ship since there would've been plenty of Cerberus sympathizers and operatives in the Alliance.
The Alliance has heard of them since they joined the galactic community, but like almost everyone else have written them off as superstition. At least that's how it looked to the public. It wouldn't be beyond reason to think the Alliance lied about them, since they lied about the Reapers until the Reapers introduced themselves to humanity at the beginning of the Reaper War.
The collector's are so rare that many in the galaxy consider them a myth it's unlikely they would lie to the public about them if they've yet to encounter them themselves.
There are more than two. Many more. There is the one encountered and destroyed on Fehl Prime, there is the one that is destroyed when Shepard attacks the Collector Base, and the Reapers called in all the rest during the Reaper War. Nowhere is it suggested only two were operating in the galaxy before then.
Collector technology has never shown any signs of indoctrination. Chances are it was Prothean tech that was upgraded by Reaper tech, like how EDI was human tech upgraded by parts of Sovereign, yet she never indoctrinated us.
Plus the Leviathan DLC establishes that there is Anti-Indoctrination shielding available since it is used on a piece of Sovereign, so they could use that as well.
A small reaper fragment is one thing an entire ship is something else entirely, it'll require large quantities of power to keep the shield operational fr centuries. Needing to shield the ship from indoctrination will only add to the problems with powering the ship itself.
As for making sure the ship is spaceworthy, that's a simple enough thing to do. Wouldn't even take much resources to refurbish and upgrade one to suit us better.
Even modifying and making sure it won't indoctrinate the crew will still take a significant amount of time, this project will be a missive undertaking no matter what they do.
Yeah, but that's all easily solvable via Prothean/ancient artifact #500. They can make it work if they want to.
Wait, how does a random Prothean artifact prevent wear and tear on a ship?
Wait, how does a random Prothean artifact prevent wear and tear on a ship?
I don't think this is really much of a concern plot-wise. We already accept that random computer systems can remain active for thousands of years. Wear and tear on a space ship is nothing.
Welp, if you google ryder space wiki, you'll get this : https://en.wikipedia...ki/Space_Mutiny
Which has this...
Which doesn't bode extremely well.
So we're getting "Under Siege" in space?
If so, pretty please can we kill the main bad guy in an omni tool knife fight?
Could actually be that the ship itself is prothean, no?
The front of it looks a bit like the front of the collector ship, no? And who were the collectors? That's right, the protheans, might be left over design.
The back of it looks a bit like the Citadel, which was the centre of prothean culture before the reapers attacked.
Also the protheans were besieged by the reapers for centuries and none of the isolated systems knew what was going on anywhere else. They all had different strategies:
- On Mard, they had the crucible plans
- On Illos, they had the conduit
- On Eden Prime they tried to hide a bunch of their species in stasis pods to rebuild later
I'd say it's possible that they actually considered the arc project and either already built the ship or at least left the blue prints for us to build it.
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