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[Heimdall]

Geth clearly do exapnd and reprodice, which is why they like expanded and reproduced more bots for their hive mind.  It may have stalled for some of them after building the dyson sphere, but it may have ended up just being a pause until they decided they needed a new solar system. At which point they would take they most efficiant(ie bloody) path available to them to colonize that system. It would be kind of silly on the organics side to wait and find out.  Crush them to goo when you have the chance.

They created better bodies, but I'd bet you have no proof they ever created new geth programs.

[ddraigcoch123]

Wait... wut... I haven't been all the way through the thread I'll go back now... but none of the vids will play... the ones at the beginning that you guys are talking about with the Ark and Shep's message... SOMEONE FIND ME A COPY aaaaarrrrgh... I go to work for a few days and come back and miss the only decent new thing for like years... gonna go drink some hard Turian whiskey then come back and read through the thread... sniff...

 

FOUND IT... I FKIN LOVE JEN HALES SHEP... still gonna go drink some liquor and get maudlin...

[Drone223]

We don't know the exact terms of the task set to it, just the broad strokes.  That's all that is.

 

The Catalyst's purpose wasn't to answer an existential question, but to provide a practical solution to solve a problem within its creator's domain.  That makes a lot more sense than the Leviathan ordering it to fix the entire universe.

The mandate was very broad though it did not specify a particular galaxy, it was just "Preserve all life" it would make sense for the reaper's to expand that mandate to other galaxies if it was very broad. 

[Heimdall]

The mandate was very broad though it did not specify a particular galaxy, it was just "Preserve all life" it would make sense for the reaper's to expand that mandate to other galaxies if it was very broad. 

The Reapers didn't just tell the Catalyst to "Preserve all life", we know that

 

They gave it a specific problem: the threat posed by the production of artificial intelligence and possibly other parameters as well.

 

If "Preserve all Life" had been its sole mandate, it would not have been solely concerned with AI, which we know was its entire focus.  So we know there were other parameters.

[Sidney]

We don't know the exact terms of the task set to it, just the broad strokes.  That's all that is.
 
The Catalyst's purpose wasn't to answer an existential question, but to provide a practical solution to solve a problem within its creator's domain.  That makes a lot more sense than the Leviathan ordering it to fix the entire universe.

This notion people feel obliged to hold to to say they have a mandate to save all life is silly. Why would the creators care? As you say the creators made the reapers to solve a problem -- their particular problem that occurs in this galaxy as there is no evidence they were a intergalactic empire. This is akin to someone asking my son what his primary directive is each Saturday and he answers, "To cut the grass" and someone decides that means he has to cut all the grass in the city. He's not being as specific as he could but I don't care about anyone's yard but my own.

[Iakus]

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I'd agree to an extent, although I think this also a convincing argument for why conventional victory would have made little sense up through ME3.

 

Much as Mass Effect might have issues with its plot however, I don't see how what you're advocating for is an improvement. If we're going to call out Bioware because we don't have enough resources for a Crucible and an Ark, then we're going to need numbers, and that's not exactly a standard I necessarily want in my story-telling.

 

Of course I have never said conventional victory made sense.  Only that it makes as much sense as any other ending 

 

I guess what I'm advocating is trying to keep this as lore-friendly as possible.  If we did manage to build an intergalactic vessel, they should keep in mind the limitations the galaxy has labored under and find a way to expand on the known rules, rather than handwave away these limits (yet again)

 

the last thing I want is a ship who's eezo core is powered by "organic energy" or a fuel source of "resources"  Or the ship was devised by ancient blueprints.  And who made them?  You would not know them, and there is no time to explain.

[Drone223]

The Reapers didn't just tell the Catalyst to "Preserve all life", we know that

 

They gave it a specific problem: the threat posed by the production of artificial intelligence and possibly other parameters as well.

 

If "Preserve all Life" had been its sole mandate, it would not have been solely concerned with AI, which we know was its entire focus.  So we know there were other parameters.

"Preserve all life at any cost" was the only parameter they gave to the catalyst they gave no other instructions or limitations. If they did then the catalyst would turn against the leviathans so it pretty evident that the mandate was broad.

[ddraigcoch123]

Ok then... read through all the posts... run out of beer... played trailer and Shepard's farewell to us players again... we have to stop being space marines and go be 'splorers, I get it... hard though, really liked being an N7 badass...

 

Anyway my only irrelevant and mostly off topic contribution to the debate is this... we could have Shepard voice the mother ship/ark's VI/AI that way we get to still take a little bit of Shep with us to a new galaxy

[Chealec]

Jeebus wept...

 

1: we know the new game is going to be in the Andromeda galaxy

2: we can fairly safely assume they got there with the ship shown in the N7 day trailer

3: unless the Khet or Remnants are Reapers there aren't going to be any Reapers

 

So I'm sure BioWare can invent some "logical" reason as to how we got there and why there aren't any Reapers there; speculate as much as you like about lack of resources, time or the technological ability to get there - it's all irrelevant. This is what's happening.

 

 

So here's a quick FAQ:

 

Why are we going to Andromeda?

BioWare said so.

 

How did we get there?

In a spaceship using as-yet unrevealed means.

 

Why are there no Reapers in Andromeda?

Because BioWare didn't put them there (unless they're Khet or Remnants)

 

 

...end of.

[Heimdall]

"Preserve all life at any cost" was the only parameter they gave to the catalyst they gave no other instructions or limitations. If they did then the catalyst would turn against the leviathans so it pretty evident that the mandate was broad.

We know the Catalyst was designed to address the problem of Organics versus Synthetics specifically, so we know that isn't true.

[Robert Cousland]

You know its possible, that after a trilogy of games set in the Andromeda galaxy, we could return to the Milky Way galaxy to see whats changed.

[Killroy]

You know its possible, that after a trilogy of games set in the Andromeda galaxy, we could return to the Milky Way galaxy to see whats changed.

Not without establishing a canon galaxy state it isn't.

[Robert Cousland]

Not without establishing a canon galaxy state it isn't.

 

Im pretty sure we could all live with Destroy as accepted canon.

[Ahglock]

Im pretty sure we could all live with Destroy as accepted canon.

I suspect it would be acceptable to most now, 3 games from now no one will care.

[Killroy]

Im pretty sure we could all live with Destroy as accepted canon.

What about the Quarians? And the Rachni? And the Krogan population? And Earth?

It's not just the ending.

[themikefest]

Im pretty sure we could all live with Destroy as accepted canon.

I have no problem with destroy being the main ending

[Ahglock]

What about the Quarians? And the Rachni? And the Krogan population? And Earth?

It's not just the ending.

The choices with the most options for story would be fine. There might be some complaints if done now, though probably not that many compared to their audience. But 7-10 years from now? No one will complain.

[AresKeith]

The choices with the most options for story would be fine. There might be some complaints if done now, though probably not that many compared to their audience. But 7-10 years from now? No one will complain.

 

By then most probably wouldn't even care about the MW anymore

[Iakus]

By then most probably wouldn't even care about the MW anymore

By the homewold I hope to see some day!

[Vapaa]

By then most probably wouldn't even care about the MW anymore

"Why Bioware, why are we coming back to this useless galaxy ? you're making our choices from the Andromeda trilogy irrelevant"

I can already see it.

[Silcron]

Any of which could have been accomplished without KILLING OFF THE MAIN CHARACTER AT THE START OF THE GAME.  Then resurrecting, by "resources"  WHich, involves, I dunno, stuffing money into Shepard's torso or something.
 
After ME3 I think it's just in there because Mac Walters likes killing off SHepard

Dr: "Miranda! The 1000 Credit chips aren't working! At this rate we'll loose Shepard before the plastic surgery!"

Miranda: "Damnit. Put Shepard in cryo again. We're going to have to make bigger credit chips."

[...]

On the Normandy.

Shepard: "What do you mean all the money I had saved is gone? What happened to it?"

[Ahglock]

By then most probably wouldn't even care about the MW anymore

Probably true but closer to home has some appeal. But I honestly think they could do it this game with minimal issues in sales and next game even fewer issues. I was going with the 3 games on the table. MEA alone is more time than any but the most obsessed fan needs to break from needing their canon in the ME. So a handful of forum posters raise a stink but their sales don't take a hit IMO. .

[Torgette]

So my favorite aspect of the trailer (other than Hale) is the use of NASA footage and how optimistic it is, you can tell they were ready to move on from the Roland Emmerich themes of the first trilogy.

 

 

What about the Quarians? And the Rachni? And the Krogan population? And Earth?

It's not just the ending.

 

If the rumor is true that Andromeda takes place 500 years later, then returning to the Milky Way could be like thousands of years after the end of ME3 which would make those decisions less meaningful anyways - also everything would look unrecognizable.

[themikefest]

By then most probably wouldn't even care about the MW anymore

 I would care more about Earth. I like to see my homeworld again. Humanity #1

[Chealec]

So my favorite aspect of the trailer (other than Hale) is the use of NASA footage and how optimistic it is, you can tell they were ready to move on from the Roland Emmerich themes of the first trilogy.

 

That was pretty much everything I hated about it ... I'm British, we don't do optimism.