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[von uber]

That was pretty much everything I hated about it ... I'm British, we don't do optimism.

Steady on old chap, such an outburst like that is postively... French.
I trust we won't have to send the baker street runners around to have a word, will we.

[Chealec]

Steady on old chap, such an outburst like that is postively... French.
I trust we won't have to send the baker street runners around to have a word, will we.

 

Terribly sorry old bean, I should have said I was simply underwhelmed by the trailer... optimistic poppycock.

[von uber]

Quite. These colonials with their excitable ways; it's amusing for a while but soon one simply yearns for the gentle ryhtmm of a few score Lee Enfields on some natives. They don't like it up them, it seems.

[Drone223]

We know the Catalyst was designed to address the problem of Organics versus Synthetics specifically, so we know that isn't true.

Its goal was to "preserve all life at any cost" as in it was given no limitations to deal with it problem the leviathans said so themselves.

[Heimdall]

Its goal was to "preserve all life at any cost" as in it was given no limitations to deal with it problem the leviathans said so themselves.

And I will repeat again, we know there are more parameters than that statement, which means it fails to rule out the possibility of more specific instructions. Besides "at any cost" refers to the actions they might take not jurisdiction of their mandate.

[Ahglock]

I don't remember them being that specific. I remember preserve life at all costs, but I don't remember the adder and we added no other parameters to the mandate.

And even if they were given that mandate there are legions of reasons not to be in andromeda during the plots timeline. A basic they aren't due for a culling for another 1000 years would be enough. I'm not sure why it's necessary though as they have displayed that their logic is broken, so why not andromeda well their logic of what all life means was broken.

[Drone223]

 

And I will repeat again, we know there are more parameters than that statement, which means it fails to rule out the possibility of more specific instructions. Besides "at any cost" refers to the actions they might take not jurisdiction of their mandate.

The leviathans never told Shepard of any other parameters they gave the catalyst "preserve all life at any costs" was the only mandate they gave the catalyst it was extremely broad. If they were more parameters then there would've been restrictions to prevent the catalyst from turning against the leviathans, but the leviathans gave it free reign to carry out its mandate as it saw fit.

[Heimdall]

 

 

The leviathans never told Shepard of any other parameters they gave the catalyst "preserve all life at any costs" was the only mandate they gave the catalyst it was extremely broad. If they were more parameters then there would've been restrictions to prevent the catalyst from turning against the leviathans, but the leviathans gave it free reign to carry out its mandate as it saw fit.

 

The Catalyst tells us it was created to address the problem of synthetics and organics destroying one another.  We know that.  So we know it has parameters beyond "preserve life at any cost".  We know it's mission is more specific than that.  This opens the door for more specific parameters.  That the Leviathans weren't sensible enough to make not killing its creators one of those parameters doesn't mean others can't exist.

 

Not to mention, the only ways they could conceivable maintain a cycle of extinction in all galaxies is if there are a lot more Reaper fleets than just the one we encountered, in which case ME3 failed to accomplish anything no matter what ending we chose, because the others will come and destroy us.  A universal mandate makes no sense within the story.

[Ahglock]

Yeah there are at least 100 billion galaxies they have to have some limit there.

[Drone223]

 

The Catalyst tells us it was created to address the problem of synthetics and organics destroying one another.  We know that.  So we know it has parameters beyond "preserve life at any cost".  We know it's mission is more specific than that.  This opens the door for more specific parameters.  That the Leviathans weren't sensible enough to make not killing its creators one of those parameters doesn't mean others can't exist.

 

 

The leviathans said nothing about giving the catalyst specific parameters, if they did the mandate wouldn't be "preserve all life at any cost". But that was the mandate the catalyst was given and nothing about it.

 

Not to mention, the only ways they could conceivable maintain a cycle of extinction in all galaxies is if there are a lot more Reaper fleets than just the one we encountered, in which case ME3 failed to accomplish anything no matter what ending we chose, because the others will come and destroy us.  A universal mandate makes no sense within the story.

 

The reapers existed for billions of years that's sufficient time  for them to expand to other galaxies.

[wright1978]

Didn't really like what seemed to be the heavy exploration vibe. Was hoping more of a survivalist tone.

[Torgette]

Didn't really like what seemed to be the heavy exploration vibe. Was hoping more of a survivalist tone.

 

The way the first trilogy started, it's a lot more fun to start out with one theme and evolve to a darker one.

[Heimdall]

The leviathans said nothing about giving the catalyst specific parameters, if they did the mandate wouldn't be "preserve all life at any cost". But that was the mandate the catalyst was given and nothing about it.

There are only two options here. The first, is that you're right and the sole directive of the Catalyst was to preserve life at any cost... but we know the Catalyst was created to solve the danger of synthetics specifically, so that can't be the case. So we know there is at least one other parameter beyond preserving life at any cost. So your assertion that it is the sole parameter is false. Therefore, there could be others. That's the second option.

I don't need to prove that being restrained to this galaxy was the case, you need to prove that it couldn't have been the case and they must have been driven to expand to other galaxies.
 

The reapers existed for billions of years that's sufficient time  for them to expand to other galaxies.

I never said it wasn't. I said that the only way for them to monitor an harvest many galaxies was to have many fleets, which would completely render the story of ME pointless, as the other fleets will simply come and destroy the galaxy later.

[Drone223]

There are only two options here. The first, is that you're right and the sole directive of the Catalyst was to preserve life at any cost... but we know the Catalyst was created to solve the danger of synthetics specifically, so that can't be the case. So we know there is at least one other parameter beyond preserving life at any cost. So your assertion that it is the sole parameter is false. Therefore, there could be others. That's the second option.

I don't need to prove that being restrained to this galaxy was the case, you need to prove that it couldn't have been the case and they must have been driven to expand to other galaxies.
 

Giving the catalyst limitation's would've meant that it had to carry out its mandate under certain constrictions, but the leviathans gave it no limitations as to how it was carry out its mandate. The catalysts came to the conclusion that part of "preserving" life is to turn organics into reaper juice which is want the leviathans had never intended. 

 

I never said it wasn't. I said that the only way for them to monitor an harvest many galaxies was to have many fleets, which would completely render the story of ME pointless, as the other fleets will simply come and destroy the galaxy later.

 

It would have logic to it give the story logic since its extremely far-fetched for them to not considered applying their mandate in the billion's of years they've existed.

[Heimdall]

Giving the catalyst limitation's would've meant that it had to carry out its mandate under certain constrictions, but the leviathans gave it no limitations as to how it was carry out its mandate. The catalysts came to the conclusion that part of "preserving" life is to turn organics into reaper juice which is want the leviathans had never intended.

As I explained before, that not turning on its creators wasn't one of the restrictions is not proof that no parameters existed.
 

It would have logic to it give the story logic since its extremely far-fetched for them to not considered applying their mandate in the billion's of years they've existed.

Story logic? Story logic is that defeating the reapers actually defeated the Reapers, not just created a stop-gap before the rest of them come and destroy civilization again, nullifying all of Shepard's efforts.

[Drone223]

As I explained before, that not turning on its creators wasn't one of the restrictions is not proof that no parameters existed.
 
 

The leviathans didn't go into specific's with regards to their mandate they were too late to realize that when the catalyst turned against them since they were still they told it to "preserve all life". 

 

Story logic? Story logic is that defeating the reapers actually defeated the Reapers, not just created a stop-gap before the rest of them come and destroy civilization again, nullifying all of Shepard's efforts.

 

The trip to the MW would last centuries more enough to for the people in the ME to become technologically superior than the reapers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

With regards to the Intergalactic Reaper Hypothesis, the way I see it is they could go to the other galaxies and dwarf galaxies in the Local Galactic Group in the time allotted between cycles. However I doubt they go further than that if for no other reason they aren't advanced enough yet. Going from intergalactic to intergalacticgroup is a tremendous jump, as much if not more than going from interstellar to intergalactic. So since they do as much as they can with their fleet, they just stayed together to maximize efficiency, which means the events of the Reaper War has still removed the Reaper threat, minus at most the vanguards left in each other galaxy in our galactic group.

[Drone223]

With regards to the Intergalactic Reaper Hypothesis, the way I see it is they could go to the other galaxies and dwarf galaxies in the Local Galactic Group in the time allotted between cycles. However I doubt they go further than that if for no other reason they aren't advanced enough yet. Going from intergalactic to intergalacticgroup is a tremendous jump, as much if not more than going from interstellar to intergalactic. So since they do as much as they can with their fleet, they just stayed together to maximize efficiency, which means the events of the Reaper War has still removed the Reaper threat, minus at most the vanguards left in each other galaxy in our galactic group.

The reaper's have existed for billions of years that's plenty of time for them to develop intergalactic travel.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The reaper's have existed for billions of years that's plenty of time for them to develop intergalactic travel.

Well, we don't know if they have been around for billions of years, we just know they have been around for at least one billion years since that's how old the Leviathan of Dis was calculated to be. 

 

And I know. Like I said, I can see it being possible to reach the other galactic bodies, including Andromeda, in the Local Galactic Group. I just don't think they have gone further than that. 

 

Personally I would love if the Reapers have been to Andromeda. It would answer several issues that have been brought up on this forum and let us have the iconic Mass Relays still. 

[shepskisaac]

With regards to the Intergalactic Reaper Hypothesis, the way I see it is they could go to the other galaxies and dwarf galaxies in the Local Galactic Group in the time allotted between cycles. However I doubt they go further than that if for no other reason they aren't advanced enough yet. Going from intergalactic to intergalacticgroup is a tremendous jump, as much if not more than going from interstellar to intergalactic. So since they do as much as they can with their fleet, they just stayed together to maximize efficiency, which means the events of the Reaper War has still removed the Reaper threat, minus at most the vanguards left in each other galaxy in our galactic group.

Reapers are billion years old and travel at 10k times speed of light. They would be in every galaxy in the universe by now with massive fleet for each with no need to move from one to another.

[Drone223]

Well, we don't know if they have been around for billions of years, we just know they have been around for at least one billion years since that's how old the Leviathan of Dis was calculated to be. 

 

And I know. Like I said, I can see it being possible to reach the other galactic bodies, including Andromeda, in the Local Galactic Group. I just don't think they have gone further than that. 

 

Personally I would love if the Reapers have been to Andromeda. It would answer several issues that have been brought up on this forum and let us have the iconic Mass Relays still. 

The leviathans have existed for billions of years, the reapers could've easily established a presence in other galaxies by the time of the trilogy.

[Killroy]

Reapers are billion years old and travel at 10k times speed of light. They would be in every galaxy in the universe by now with massive fleet for each with no need to move from one to another.

 

...I don't think you know how math or space work.

[AresKeith]

The leviathans have existed for billions of years, the reapers could've easily established a presence in other galaxies by the time of the trilogy.

 

Could've yes, but have them remains to be seen

 

Hopefully not though

[Iakus]

There are only two options here. The first, is that you're right and the sole directive of the Catalyst was to preserve life at any cost... but we know the Catalyst was created to solve the danger of synthetics specifically, so that can't be the case. So we know there is at least one other parameter beyond preserving life at any cost. So your assertion that it is the sole parameter is false. Therefore, there could be others. That's the second option.
 

 

And even if the parameters were narrowed to "preserve organic life from synthetics" there is likely to be organic and more importantly synthetic life in other galaxies.  Thus it would be the duty of the Reapers to "preserve" the organics there.  Lest they be wiped out by the synthetics which, unimpeded, would continue to evolve until they surpassed even the Reapers and wipe out life in the Milky Way as well.

 

 

 

I don't need to prove that being restrained to this galaxy was the case, you need to prove that it couldn't have been the case and they must have been driven to expand to other galaxies.

I'd say it's on Bioware to demonstrate why this isn't the case.  Ideally with something other than handwaving.  this is a species that decided mulching the galaxy periodically "preserved life" and "helped them ascend"after all.

 

 

I never said it wasn't. I said that the only way for them to monitor an harvest many galaxies was to have many fleets, which would completely render the story of ME pointless, as the other fleets will simply come and destroy the galaxy later.

 

The story of ME was pointless

[Iakus]

Reapers are billion years old and travel at 10k times speed of light. They would be in every galaxy in the universe by now with massive fleet for each with no need to move from one to another.

Yup.  I have an idea I dubbed "Brood Theory" where Reapers start a cycle of destruction in a galaxy, which is then perpetuated by the Reapers created from that first harvest.  

 

There could be dozens, even hundreds of "Reaper broods" each one feeding off a different galaxy.