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[Conrad Verner's Wife]

It's another forced theory that tries to solve the huge ending disaster we were given in ME3. So, he/she knew, but there's still a huge black plot hole

[OsiriNara]

the Crucible's built in only, irrc, a year. And it's HUGE.

 

just saying.

[Kabooooom]

lol, a whole lot of people have no clue what retcon means it seems. It is more along these lines, 'i don't like a turn a story has made thus it is a retcon'

A retcon is when a clear, provable story line that happens for all players is changed to suit another game, book etc. We have no clue at all whether shepard knew or didn't know anything. They just told us that he/she did know something, which does not contradict anything in the previous games at all.

It's more along the lines of confirming a 100% totally logical storyline. I guess most people would like to be as stupid as the Prothians and those before and having no plan B.

Indeed, people use "retcon" even more incorrectly than "reboot" around here.

And us not knowing that Shepard knew wouldn't be a retcon by any stretch of the imagination anyways. For six months, his story was a blank to the players. Even if the Ark left DURING ME3, do you see every aspect of Shep's life? Do you see when he takes a **** on the toilet? No. The story only explicitly deals with things directly relevant to the story. An Ark side plot would be irrelevant. It's hardly a retcon by any stretch of the imagination.

[Mdizzletr0n]

Indeed, people use "retcon" even more incorrectly than "reboot" around here.

And us not knowing that Shepard knew wouldn't be a retcon by any stretch of the imagination anyways. For six months, his story was a blank to the players. Even if the Ark left DURING ME3, do you see every aspect of Shep's life? Do you see when he takes a **** on the toilet? No. The story only explicitly deals with things directly relevant to the story. An Ark side plot would be irrelevant. It's hardly a retcon by any stretch of the imagination.

Maybe... But Shepard knowing kind of ruins it for me. Just seems like a tie in for the sake of it.

[LinksOcarina]

Maybe... But Shepard knowing kind of ruins it for me. Just seems like a tie in for the sake of it.

 

You do realize it's not involved in the next game at all right? Yanick Roy even clarified it: "Plans haven't changed: this is Shepard signing off, wishing you/us godspeed on a new adventure."

 

It's just for the trailer I believe.

[Heimdall]

Maybe... But Shepard knowing kind of ruins it for me. Just seems like a tie in for the sake of it.

Don't get worked up just yet, we don't know how literal this trailer is meant to be taken.

[RandomSyhn]

What if (and this is just me speculating for fun) This is all occurs pre ME1 there is always talk in the first game how Humanity is more willing to establish colonies near or in the terminus systems would an explorative mission be much of a difference?

 

It would also make sense to have Shepard do the sign off. There was mention of using Shepard for Alliance recrument material before being made a spectre, using them for a sendoff for somthing of that magnitude doesn't seemed too far fetched. That is if this is an Alliance backed mission which might not account for other species aboard.

[Display Name Owner]

What if (and this is just me speculating for fun) This is all occurs pre ME1 there is always talk in the first game how Humanity is more willing to establish colonies near or in the terminus systems would an explorative mission be much of a difference?

 

It would also make sense to have Shepard do the sign off. There was mention of using Shepard for Alliance recrument material before being made a spectre, using them for a sendoff for somthing of that magnitude doesn't seemed too far fetched. That is if this is an Alliance backed mission which might not account for other species aboard.

 

I don't know if I believe the first part, but the message being a generic propaganda piece recorded by the Alliance using Shepard makes sense. Then it removes the issues of trying to make us (well, me at least) believe the Ark was deployed in the midst of the Reaper war. Just doesn't make sense to me, all their resources were pouring into the Crucible and the war effort, creating what essentially seems to be a moving mini-Citadel seems kind of implausible.

[KaiserShep]

Don't get worked up just yet, we don't know how literal this trailer is meant to be taken.

 

I always took it as a meta-farewell, which I thought was cool of BioWare to do. Too bad they couldn't do one for the Warden, but s/he'd just point and wave. 

[Mdizzletr0n]

You do realize it's not involved in the next game at all right? Yanick Roy even clarified it: "Plans haven't changed: this is Shepard signing off, wishing you/us godspeed on a new adventure."

It's just for the trailer I believe.

That's my thought on the trailer. I'm more so stating that I don't want Shepard to be tied in for fan service.

[AlanC9]

lol, a whole lot of people have no clue what retcon means it seems.  It is more along these lines, 'i don't like a turn a story has made thus it is a retcon'
 
A retcon is when a clear, provable story line that happens for all players is changed to suit another game, book etc.  We have no clue at all whether shepard knew or didn't know anything.  They just told us that he/she did know something, which does not contradict anything in the previous games at all.
 

But it does contradict the player's understanding of the PC's position, and to some extent this means that the PC can have a different state of mind from the one the player intended and understood. I agree that this isn't a literal retcon, but it does mean paying some of the same costs that a retcon would require.

[AlanC9]

I don't know if I believe the first part, but the message being a generic propaganda piece recorded by the Alliance using Shepard makes sense. Then it removes the issues of trying to make us (well, me at least) believe the Ark was deployed in the midst of the Reaper war. Just doesn't make sense to me, all their resources were pouring into the Crucible and the war effort, creating what essentially seems to be a moving mini-Citadel seems kind of implausible.

Of course, the actual game will resolve that ambiguity.

[SwobyJ]

Maybe... But Shepard knowing kind of ruins it for me. Just seems like a tie in for the sake of it.

 

^ That's how I feel. Now, whether I want to or not, I'll be having all these thoughts about 'how does this message fit in with the time of the Reaper War?'.

 

This is a bad trend.

 

Original Ending: Things are dire dire dire Mcdire!! You gotta take the fight to the Reapers asap! SO MUCH IS AT STAKE.

Extended Cut: Its okay, things are gonna be okay, look how much nicer it is now

Leviathan: You have the time to go exploring around on what was initially a vague trail

Omega: Sure, Omega isn't actually that strategically important, but Shepard has to go for it!!!! Now!! 

Citadel: Forget about the war, go do other stuff. Hang out and partyyyyyy!!!

..Andromeda?: Oh yeah and there was another plan in motion too. Sorry for not telling ya

 

I have all sorts of theories about this, but still. I'd rather not have to 'figure out' how Shepard would even be knowing about such an endeavor.

 

That said, Earth didn't look burning. It looked fine.

 

We'll learn more in the coming months.

[SwobyJ]

I don't know if I believe the first part, but the message being a generic propaganda piece recorded by the Alliance using Shepard makes sense. Then it removes the issues of trying to make us (well, me at least) believe the Ark was deployed in the midst of the Reaper war. Just doesn't make sense to me, all their resources were pouring into the Crucible and the war effort, creating what essentially seems to be a moving mini-Citadel seems kind of implausible.

 

It is weird to see a ship that looks to me like a mix of a Collector Ship, Citadel, and Crucible then, yeah.

 

Meta-farewell is the sanest way to take this N7 Day video. Pretend it isn't a canon message in the slightest, at least until we get more info/trailers/the next game.

 

I do slightly like the 'Shepard VI' idea put on this thread. That this is just an inspirational Shepard-simulation message to the explorers of post ME3. But how Control and Synthesis etc would fit into this, is still... ehhh....

[maia0407]

I would say if it wasn't for the Prothean scientists altering that signal, this cycle would've been harvested like pass civilizations. The past cycles had no warning and when the reapers finally showed up, they had no time to build an ship/ark/whatever to flee the galaxy. But then again maybe they did and we don't know about it.

I sort of hope that a few of the past cycles sent their own arks to Andromeda and that we get to meet a their descendants.

[Black Jimmy]

I'm assume the trailer was symbolic.

[Malanek]

As has already been mentioned multiple times, I suspect Shepard speaking was most likely metaphorical. It was a pretty awesome trailer. It didn't tell us a lot but was quite emotive, it struck the right vibe.

[Erin Kane]

I really didn't mind the Shepard speech. And like I said previously, if your Shepard survived ME3 like mine did she could easily be sending this message well after ME3 takes place.

[MrMrPendragon]

Ah, I didn't read into into it THAT much.

 

All I got was this was a Mass Effect trailer, and Shepard is the protag therefore she gets to be featured in it. I certainly didn't feel the need to dissect it and scan it piece by pice.

 

 

If it really bothers you guys that much, then just convince yourselves that the voice speaking is a Shepard VI, pre-programmed with certain dialogues and speeches

[Sidney]

I feel like the Ark didn't have anything to do with the Reaper war. To me it feels like its just an exploration ship as Shepard mention explorers. So maybe it has not much to do with the main ME story, it's just a whole new galaxy with other people. Basically starting something new.
 
Or the message could be from a time capsule, and someone just stumbled upon it years after, when returning back to the Milky way.
 
Both of these to my opinion, would be better than having something to do with the main games.

I'd rather like it to be a contingency plan for the Reapers. As far the those on ARK know they might well be the last lone survivors of their races -- they obviously wouldn't know the outcome back in the MW. Makes their struggle for survival feel like it would be all the more tense because failure is really and truly the end.

[SardaukarElite]

I doubt that's the issue. You don't see anyone complaining about Tomb Raider.

 

Still though, I'd love to see them push some female oriented marketing in the new game.. And watch where it goes. For better or worse. It needs to happen, just so there's something tangible out there. Instead of "what ifs".

 

People being okay with Tomb Raider doesn't negate them questioning the need of or need to market women in other games. 

 

To be clear I actually think this issue has largely been resolved. 2015 was full of women in marketing for games, so I feel developers and publishers have largely gotten their heads around it and found stuff that works for them. The gaming population will take a while to catch up and go off in 28 page threads for a time but they're boring, small people. 

 

Of course it might all come undone at some point but such is life. 

[SolNebula]

People as always like to read too much into things. I see it as a metaphorical passage from an old to a new protagonist hence the images of the protag dogtag. It's not meant to be taken literally.

[Reidzer-1314]

I am not sure if the use of Shephard in the latest trailer will be directly linked to the story or plot of Andromeda. 

 

I honestly think it was just Bioware drawing a line under Shepards story arc and saying goodbye. 

[Helios969]

Some people are far too literal...trailer was wholly symbolic.

[78stonewobble]

Just a quick random thought here, without remembering all that were said in that trailer and the wording...

 

Could it be a message shepard left on liara's timecapsule/ai? One that was then put on the ship? 

 

Meaning shepard didn't know about the project (due to risk of capture/indoctrination), but merely voiced something approriate.