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What do you NOT want to see in ME:A?


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A Pacifist ninja is still a ninja. Who cares if she is a stereotype? She is awesome.
Can I hope for another chherful cultured, tech savy asian girl in Ryder's team?



ninjas are assassins not thieves. They are also not cheerful and cultured as you put it. At least not the stereotype that people are claiming she was.

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I dont ever want to see a citadel type dlc or trespasser type dlc again, i honestly cannot stand "cheese" in my games, it makes me cringe n just shut the thing down

 

Only thing i liked in citadel was the arena, wouldn't mind that again

I don't want to see an ending so "artistic" a DLC like  Citadel is seen as needed... :whistle:

 

Though yes the arena was a nice way to make "soloable" MP content



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Shinobi are traditionally known as intelligence agents, spies not assassins. As I said, infiltration, espionage, stealth and occasionally assassination. But they work mostly as information gatherer during wartime, they're trained to blend among the commoners, infiltrate enemy castles, stealing information crucial to the tide of wars, secretly sabotaging the enemy's supplies, terrorism, arson... you name it. Its rare that you hear any shinobi commit assassination because it was their job to be stealthy in the first place...

 

The name 'ninja' only exist post-WW2. Its a mispronunciation for 忍者 and it stays because... :/ 'murica

 

Not all tropes are bad. And Kasumi is great as Space Ninja and I love her. But Kai Leng... he like talk big and act cool... he's a p.o.s. doomed to fail. Its hilarious if it wasn't just sad that they work really hard on his animations.

 

And they better do Space Samurai this time. Come on, it would be glorious.

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ninjas are assassins not thieves. They are also not cheerful and cultured as you put it. At least not the stereotype that people are claiming she was.

 

Well Kasumi has ninja vibes but she isn't defined solely by her ninja-ness. But I liked her personality. She was fun to have around. Had the best dialogue lines. And I don't remember her every dying in combat.

 

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yeah, yeah ... i get that it has tons of content and so on ... but copy/pasting the same fetchquest over and over again and just changing what you need to collect ... that's not proper content. that's just lazy and boring and repetitive.

Aside from the requisition quests - which were awful, yes, but also wholly optional - is there something else you didn't like?

I stopped doing the requisition quests early in my first playthrough, because there was no reason to do them. They were unfun and the rewards poor.

So why do people still complain about them? All you had to do was stop doing them. And given that there's an infinite loop of them, even completionists have no reason to do them.

I skipped the requisition quests, and my DAI playthrough was still 150 hours long.

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Aside from the requisition quests - which were awful, yes, but also wholly optional - is there something else you didn't like?

I stopped doing the requisition quests early in my first playthrough, because there was no reason to do them. They were unfun and the rewards poor.

So why do people still complain about them? All you had to do was stop doing them. And given that there's an infinite loop of them, even completionists have no reason to do them.

I skipped the requisition quests, and my DAI playthrough was still 150 hours long.


I still do not mind performing the more RP ones; helping Inq troops, scouts, etc. But like yourself, at some point I accept one for each area, and the Req Officer stops asking for my aid.

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Boring fetch quests unless they either have meaning or impact, i can just imagine having to babysit a lost volus or something, yes i am referring to the druffalo quest in DAI



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I don't want to see an ending so "artistic" a DLC like  Citadel is seen as needed... :whistle:

 

 

Both were two extreme ends to the same problem though, namely breaking the narrative in order to squeeze in X even though it doesn't fit the framework of the story. On it's own, and in it's own self contained story, both the Catalyst/ending and the Citadel DLC could have worked. The problem was that neither concept was Mass Effect, and their inclusion broke the flow of the preceding narrative. 

 

 

Though I guess one could argue that they would much rather get overloaded with forced comedy and cheese, than franchise burning darkness and illogical potholes; if given the choice.


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Some may have missed the more poignant moments in those DLC's along with the laughs. But now it does not seem to be a complete playthrough until I hear Shepard announce that Conrad Verner would make a better Shepard than the imposter.

For The Citadel and Trespasser are the storied highlights of both games. More pls.
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Some may have missed the more poignant moments in those DLC's along with the laughs. But now it does not seem to be a complete playthrough until I hear Shepard announce that Conrad Verner would make a better Shepard than the imposter.

For The Citadel and Trespasser are the storied highlights of both games. More pls.

 

Speaking of Conrad. He is a doctor. Ya think he could show up as a scientist on the new ship? Maybe as an old balding scientists who grew serious over the years but still recalls his encounters with the legendary Shepard with fondness.



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Boring and repetative side quests.

I want more story drivcen and story focused experience where is every mission different from others and new experience.

Also I would not like to see empty and dull locations (planets) , for example It's okay that we have a desert planet or 100% icy and snowy planet , but If 1 such a planet comes on 5 of totally various and different planets then It's Ok , I really hope that locations and planets will be more like in ME3 then in ME1 for example.



 


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Speaking of Conrad. He is a doctor. Ya think he could show up as a scientist on the new ship? Maybe as an old balding scientists who grew serious over the years but still recalls his encounters with the legendary Shepard with fondness.

See my comment on another thread about former Cerberus operatives.

 

Short answer:  No



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Speaking of Conrad. He is a doctor. Ya think he could show up as a scientist on the new ship? Maybe as an old balding scientists who grew serious over the years but still recalls his encounters with the legendary Shepard with fondness.

 

Heh.  I would kind of love it if Conrad was the only character to bridge the old series and the new. 


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What refund guy isn't going to make it?
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What refund guy isn't going to make it?


Yes finally. I've been waiting here, for hours. I was supposed to be bound for Illium, but our shuttle delivered us to this ship by mistake. I know with the war & everything that transportation is a mess but this is ridiculous! I want a shuttle back & I expect no less than a full refund as soon as we're at the next relay... What do you mean there is no shuttle back!?
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Jacob narrative was already paper thin as it is but he is a token black guy in ME2 and predictably inconsequential to the larger narrative which is sad since he is still one of a main protagonist in the ME franchise. And then the writers turned him into a man-whor3 to punish FemShep while none of BroShep's lovers dare to treat him that way even if he himself can be sexually promiscuous. Very convenient... but Bioware at least tried to do it right with Koth Vortena.

A predictable bad evil token minority villain is a stereotype. Drew Karpyshynn did what Jay Kristoff did with Stormdancer; Knowing nothing about Asians, google it and appropriating them as convenient plot devices. Nobody even bother explain who and why Kai Leng is the way he is in ME3.. he's there because he's evil and look cool with his flowy hair and badass sword. Its funny that they give Allers more attention than they did with their villain.


Sad but true.

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Jacob narrative was already paper thin as it is but he is a token black guy in ME2 and predictably inconsequential to the larger narrative which is sad since he is still one of a main protagonist in the ME franchise.  

To be fair, though, most of the followers were inconsequential to the larger narrative.  The ME2 cast in particular.



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To be fair, though, most of the followers were inconsequential to the larger narrative.  The ME2 cast in particular.

 

Yeah that's true. It is bound to happen in an anyone can die kind of story. Everyone beside Shepard and Joker was expendable canon fodder. At least some of them were fun to talk to. Hell the cook was more fun than Jacob.



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To be fair, though, most of the followers were inconsequential to the larger narrative.  The ME2 cast in particular.

 

They gave you a lot of war assets each and double the intended war assets (especially in situations like "instead of one, you can have both"). Zaeed and Kasumi was this prime example. Tali is important to the Rannoch arc while only Garrus was inconsequential except as a spare squadmate unless you count his personal talks important to you. Jack's presence is important to the survival of the kids at Grissom's Academy. Having Mordin alive or dead hardly change the narrative in curing genophage but you can have Mordin as a War Asset if you persuade him not to apply the cure while Padok Wiks give you nothing since you'll need to kill him. Talking to Thane at the hospital ensure Captain Kirrahe's survival. Samara added up to the Asari Commandos military strength and you're spared the choice of killing her daughter. Grunt is my baby krogan! While Miranda's narrative arc had varied conclusion depending on how you ensure her survival but Jacob..... ..... .... even if he give 25 military strength himself, he's only there to impregnate Dr Brynn Cole. You only save him in ME2 just so he could have a baby and a shotgun marriage... they could have made him a traitor and let Cerberus implant reaper tech in him or try to get himself killed being a hero but nope.... he's just a sperm donor... which is just sad.. 



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With Jacob, I think it's the fact that he cheats on Shepard and gets another woman pregnant. Which seems pretty bizarre for his character in general, given his issues with his father.

When did cheating on women and getting women pregnant become a black thing? I wish people would stop trying so hard to throw the word stereotype around. 

 

It's been long established was a top tier hand to hand specialist in the galaxy in the lore. Both in timeline and in the canon books he has appeared in. Being an expert martial artist/soldier/assassin ain't got nothing to do with his ethnicity, which includes slavic btw. The guy's even voiced by a caucasian dude.

 

Damn, Ash and TIM get it hard, but Jacob's character assassination is crazy. He really should stick with Cerberus if disloyal/on bad terms or join the Alliance if you helped him and spared his father. He should have been a squadmate in ME3 as he had no reason not to be on the Normandy. Brynn Cole's ugly playdough ass shouldn't exist; that post would be better served with Gavin Archer and Toombs protecting Gavin's Ex-Cerberus escapees. Full circle redemption. Bang.


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People need to spend less time on TV Tropes. You could come up with a totally unique character that's never been done before, but if you checked out TV Tropes someone will have already seen your character and made up a new trope for them to fit into, and find some way to say it's a harmful stereotype. If not claim it's outright racist, sexist etc.


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People need to spend less time on TV Tropes. You could come up with a totally unique character that's never been done before, but if you checked out TV Tropes someone will have already seen your character and made up a new trope for them to fit into, and find some way to say it's a harmful stereotype. If not claim it's outright racist, sexist etc.

 

Hey, don't hate on TVTropes. It's one of the best websites around.



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When did cheating on women and getting women pregnant become a black thing? I wish people would stop trying so hard to throw the word stereotype around. 

 

Also, (and I admit, I've never done a Jacob romance), but does he really "cheat" on Shepard?  You were going into a suicide mission.  You might die.  You might as well get it on.  I don't see that being a lifelong commitment sort of thing, especially when one half of the couple gets place under military arraignment and you're on the run from your murderous ex-boss to stay alive.

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but every other companion seems to be, "Oh, I'd like to rekindle our romance, but it's been so long.  What do you think, Shep?"  (tee-hee, *bats eyelashes*, *acquiesces autonomy*).  Jacob had his adventure with Shep, had a special one-night moment, lost her to circumstances beyond either of their control, and moved on with his life.  He didn't pine endlessly for her.  He didn't snap a chastity belt on his heart and on his junk until Shep gave him the "all clear" to cease being a love zombie.  In a lot of ways, that makes him a much more realistic character to me than the majority of the LIs. 

 

So this "he's a cheater" narrative really confuses me.  Is there something to the way he speaks to Shep that makes him come across as a heartless cad, or is it just a bunch of spurned players who are heartbroken that their beefcake behaved a little too close to humanly?


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I think the mistake some people make is in assuming that tropes are always bad, even though the site even warns against viewing it that way. I guess the people who view any story element matching a TV Tropes page as being inherently bad, didn't read that part of the site.

 

That said...there are definitely some tropes that should be avoided.



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I think the mistake some people make is in assuming that tropes are always bad, even though the site even warns against viewing it that way. I guess the people who view any story element matching a TV Tropes page as being inherently bad, didn't read that part of the site.

 

That said...there are definitely some tropes that should be avoided.

 

Yeah, overused tropes should be avoided. Otherwise its fine to use them.