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[Gervaise]

I've been think about this because clearly he constantly has to adjust his overall plan of how to restore the elves of old.

 

Plan A: Wake from sleep having allowed orb to recharge over millennia.   Get some stooge to activate it because the backlash will likely kill the person doing so.   Pick up orb from debris (with anchor) enter Fade, tear down Veil, restore to world to previous version.   Plan failed because stooge avoided death.

 

Plan B: Befriend Inquisition, appear very helpful while planting agents within midst to keep him posted of developments.   Help track down and defeat stooge.   Recover orb (grab Inquisitor?) enter Fade, tear down Veil, restore world to previous version.   Plan failed because orb became overloaded in final battle and cracked under strain.   Can no longer use it to enter Fade and power Veil destruction.

 

Plan C: Seek out Mythal and absorb power.   No longer require stooge to do anything.   However, no longer have orb.    Need new source of power to enter Fade and tear down Veil. 

 

This is what I have been pondering.   If he had the source  of power he would just go ahead and proceed with the plan.    It is probably a case that he needs enough power to both tear down the Veil and deal with the evanuris.   Currently he does not have enough to do both.   So where does he plan on getting it from?

 

One idea is that he is going to try and find another orb.    Dorian mentions there are paintings in the archives in Tevinter showing ancient Tevinter (pre-Magisters) using similar foci.   Solas comments that the ancient Tevinter took much from the elves (scavenged).    If they didn't know how to unlock them or hid them away to prevent rivals from using them, then they could still be there somewhere.   This might explain why he has deliberately directed the attention of the Qunari back north, so while the two sides are engaged in conflict his agents can search Tevinter for what he is looking for without arousing too much suspicion among the locals, that might occur during peace time.

 

The other concerns the large number of elves that are joining him wherever he has based himself.    Why would he do this?    He tells an elven Inquisitor that they will die along with everyone else when he drops the Veil.    Then it occurred to me that it might be connected with how he intends to enter the Fade.     There have been only two instances of people physically entering the Fade since the Veil was raised, one using the anchor, the other using blood magic.   When Corypheus and his pals entered, they used the blood sacrifice of many elven slaves.   Cory specifically explained that they needed to use elves because the magic in their blood made the spell more potent.    But Solas would never do that, I hear you say.   

 

Well it occurs to me that IRL there have been many instances of charismatic leaders persuading their followers to commit mass suicide in order for them to transcend to a new state of existence or to bring about a new world, etc.     So what if his plan is to gather sufficient numbers that he could enter the Fade without the need of an orb/anchor?    He would explain to these followers that if they commit mass suicide this will enable him to tear down the Veil and they will be reborn as magical, immortal elves.    This need not be a lie.   Solas may well believe this is what would happen.   Not only that but he will then have an army of magical followers to deal with any evanuris that are still around.     Of course, if he is wrong, then he is just going to be left with a lot of dead elves.    I do wonder, though if this is why he says he hopes you will prove him wrong about the need for it because he is willing to entertain the idea that it could go wrong (based on previous experience with plan A and B. 

 

Alternatively, he could just be putting together an army to march into Tevinter himself  to find the power he needs.   Seems likely, though, that the answer does lie in Tevinter, either foci or the numbers of elves that he needs for his purposes.

[htisscrimbliv]

 keep it loose, see what happens

[In Exile]

I assume it involves painting a fresco.

More seriously, it's probably to undo whatever it is he did the first time around. I don't think he woke up until very recently, and then slowly worked to re-power his foci (i.e., the orb). He just failed at doing it properly. And potentially along the way learned to be less of a racist.

[Guildmasterron]

Actually Solas' plan is truly diabolical. Since he lost his focus orb, his plan now is get the Veil to destroy itself. He recently went to Par Vollen and bought Qunari love poetry books. He will sit in the Fade and read them out loud. This will cause the Veil to sicken and explode. What Solas doesn't realize is that, after this, the ancient Elves will come and beat him with the Qunari books as they are also nauseated.

[DarkNova50]

Meh, I'm not really all that concerned with his plan. Because at the end of the day, if he decides he wants to fight dirty with his little army of Elves, I will go Tevinter Imperium on his ass so hard people will think it's the first Blight all over again.

[Medhia_Nox]

His plan is to screw up again and finally get his people totally annihilated - he IS the elven god after all, and he's creating one big Dalish clan that can implode on itself.

[phishface]

I usually can't be bothered to read this kind of speculation, but this one is different. I particularly like the part about orbs in Tevinter, which would be a nice way to lead into the next game, and provides a ready made quest structure

[CavalierToast]

step 1: tear down the Veil

step 2: something awesome happens

step 3: profit!

[sandalisthemaker]

 

  When Corypheus and his pals entered, they used the blood sacrifice of many elven slaves.   Cory specifically explained that they needed to use elves because the magic in their blood made the spell more potent.    But Solas would never do that, I hear you say.   

 

Well it occurs to me that IRL there have been many instances of charismatic leaders persuading their followers to commit mass suicide in order for them to transcend to a new state of existence or to bring about a new world, etc.     So what if his plan is to gather sufficient numbers that he could enter the Fade without the need of an orb/anchor?    He would explain to these followers that if they commit mass suicide this will enable him to tear down the Veil and they will be reborn as magical, immortal elves.    This need not be a lie.   Solas may well believe this is what would happen.   Not only that but he will then have an army of magical followers to deal with any evanuris that are still around.     Of course, if he is wrong, then he is just going to be left with a lot of dead elves.    I do wonder, though if this is why he says he hopes you will prove him wrong about the need for it because he is willing to entertain the idea that it could go wrong (based on previous experience with plan A and B. 

 

Alternatively, he could just be putting together an army to march into Tevinter himself  to find the power he needs.   Seems likely, though, that the answer does lie in Tevinter, either foci or the numbers of elves that he needs for his purposes.

 

 

I'm hoping that there is more to his plan than him ending up simply doing exactly what Corypheus and co. did.      It would make Solas less interesting of a villain for me. 

[Mlady]

Everything is leading up to Tevinter so I suspect not only will we find new allies to defend us against Solas, but Solas will seek out a new way to tear down the Veil by seeking anything ancient left behind in and around Tevinter. Most likely somehow during all this, we will bump into him and it'll be Flemeth ver 2. He will probably save us from something and then after a few more encounters, we will have to decide if he should live or die based on how those encounters went.

 

As for Solas wanting to do this. The whole thing seems strongly connected to Mythal. Not only did her death and the discovery of the taint finish him off, causing him to make the Veil, but the statues of Fen'Harel are always shown guarding Mythal. He most likely thinks he has to go through with this horrible plan out of duty and guilt, but expects it to end in his own death, which he probably feels is his best punishment. What we need right now is a glimpse into the past, to see what really happened to Mythal and what the elves did that made them seal the Deep Roads.

[Cobra's_back]

Everything is leading up to Tevinter so I suspect not only will we find new allies to defend us against Solas, but Solas will seek out a new way to tear down the Veil by seeking anything ancient left behind in and around Tevinter. Most likely somehow during all this, we will bump into him and it'll be Flemeth ver 2. He will probably save us from something and then after a few more encounters, we will have to decide if he should live or die based on how those encounters went.

 

As for Solas wanting to do this. The whole thing seems strongly connected to Mythal. Not only did her death and the discovery of the taint finish him off, causing him to make the Veil, but the statues of Fen'Harel are always shown guarding Mythal. He most likely thinks he has to go through with this horrible plan out of duty and guilt, but expects it to end in his own death, which he probably feels is his best punishment. What we need right now is a glimpse into the past, to see what really happened to Mythal and what the elves did that made them seal the Deep Roads.

 

That would be excellent. I would love to go back in time to see what actually happened. Having stated that I think Morrigan will take over for Flemeth. There was something she put in the mirror. It is possible that Morrigan helps our newest hero not Solas. Solas had a relationship with the Inquisitor, and even then he made the Inquisitor a fool. The Inquisitor was Solas' unknowing agent. He had all his spies in your organization. You were doing everything he wanted just didn't know you were serving him. 

[Mlady]

That would be excellent. I would love to go back in time to see what actually happened. Having stated that I think Morrigan will take over for Flemeth. There was something she put in the mirror. It is possible that Morrigan helps our newest hero not Solas. Solas had a relationship with the Inquisitor, and even then he made the Inquisitor a fool. The Inquisitor was Solas' unknowing agent. He had all his spies in your organization. You were doing everything he wanted just didn't know you were serving him. 

 

I am strongly hoping to finally see a real past, not one based on a Chant or books.

 

I could see that too, but Morrigan's role was already so big as an NPC, I wonder how much more we'll actually see of her now as an NPC again? Seeing as we have the option to redeem Solas, that's why I see him twisting the feelings of the new PC, making them unsure, and depending on your Inquisitor's feelings, they either order you to stop him or join you to go see him.

 

The thing I wonder about Morrigan though is, if you don't do the dark ritual (or have a normal child with her) and Mythal doesn't take the OG soul, does that change things? I feel the Fade vs Altar scene will create 2 separate ways we encounter Morrigan again, and we'll find out the consequences of Kieran losing his OG soul and Morrigan or the Inquisitor drinking from the Well. Mythal did tell her she had no commands... for now.

[Cyrus Amell]

There is still the threat of the Evanuris to consider. They are stil alive, although what could possibly be left of any sentient subconcious after so many millenia trapped beyond the Veil is questionable. To my mind they are the only thing keeping Solas from tearing down the Veil, because doing so would evidently free them. This would be a worst case scenario for Solas because the Evanuris will (for some unstated reason) destroy the world, perhaps in pursuit of a way to cement their godhood.

 

Solas not only needs to tear down the Veil, which would return the world to its natural state as during the time of Arlathan, but he would also need the power to defeat the Evanuris. Clearly, the Orb of Fen'Harel must have offered a way to deal with both issues in one fell swoop. Bereft of it, Solas must now find a new means to kill the Evanuris, perhaps before he destroys the Veil. If the focus of his campaign is going to be in Tevinter and Northern Thedas then it would simply be a massive coincidence that the Inquisition (or its remnants) will seek to marshal their strength there as well.

 

We know that Solas' plan involves gathering a large force of elves, or else he would not have called away so many as to draw uneeded attention. Blunting the Qunari attempt at a Southern invasion also lends credibility to a possible need to ensure an embattled Tevinter.

 

So, here is what I think Solas is going to do. He is going to do what he did thousands of years ago and start another elven slave uprising against an evil empire but this time in Tevinter. Then, once the status qou is upended he will take what he needs to kill the Evanuris. After that, he will tear down the Veil and re-establish the elven civilization he himself had destroyed.

[Cobra's_back]

I am strongly hoping to finally see a real past, not one based on a Chant or books.

 

I could see that too, but Morrigan's role was already so big as an NPC, I wonder how much more we'll actually see of her now as an NPC again? Seeing as we have the option to redeem Solas, that's why I see him twisting the feelings of the new PC, making them unsure, and depending on your Inquisitor's feelings, they either order you to stop him or join you to go see him.

 

The thing I wonder about Morrigan though is, if you don't do the dark ritual (or have a normal child with her) and Mythal doesn't take the OG soul, does that change things? I feel the Fade vs Altar scene will create 2 separate ways we encounter Morrigan again, and we'll find out the consequences of Kieran losing his OG soul and Morrigan or the Inquisitor drinking from the Well. Mythal did tell her she had no commands... for now.

 

If Morrigan doesn't have a child you still have Flemeth splitting her soul. Morrigan doesn't have to be a companion. She could take the role of Flemeth in earlier games. She can give you information and data that Flemeth was always able to do.

 

I don't think they will allow the Inquisitor to make decisions. The Inquisitor could end up just giving information through the sending stone. It wouldn't be fair to new players if a character was making decisions for them. This is more likely going to be a new hero making all their own decisions, and the Inquisitor being a source of information. Look at it this way for the entire DAI game the Inquisitor had no clue about Solas' plan. In the end, Solas made the Inquisition look foolish. Your organization is either gone or minimized because the Qunari thought you were an agent of Fen'Harel.

[Cobra's_back]

There is still the threat of the Evanuris to consider. They are stil alive, although what could possibly be left of any sentient subconcious after so many millenia trapped beyond the Veil is questionable. To my mind they are the only thing keeping Solas from tearing down the Veil, because doing so would evidently free them. This would be a worst case scenario for Solas because the Evanuris will (for some unstated reason) destroy the world, perhaps in pursuit of a way to cement their godhood.

 

Solas not only needs to tear down the Veil, which would return the world to its natural state as during the time of Arlathan, but he would also need the power to defeat the Evanuris. Clearly, the Orb of Fen'Harel must have offered a way to deal with both issues in one fell swoop. Bereft of it, Solas must now find a new means to kill the Evanuris, perhaps before he destroys the Veil. If the focus of his campaign is going to be in Tevinter and Northern Thedas then it would simply be a massive coincidence that the Inquisition (or its remnants) will seek to marshal their strength there as well.

 

We know that Solas' plan involves gathering a large force of elves, or else he would not have called away so many as to draw uneeded attention. Blunting the Qunari attempt at a Southern invasion also lends credibility to a possible need to ensure an embattled Tevinter.

 

So, here is what I think Solas is going to do. He is going to do what he did thousands of years ago and start another elven slave uprising against an evil empire but this time in Tevinter. Then, once the status qou is upended he will take what he needs to kill the Evanuris. After that, he will tear down the Veil and re-establish the elven civilization he himself had destroyed.

 

Good point. There must be something in Tevinter he wanted. He needed the Qunari back at war with Tevinter. Tevinter being hit by both the Qunari and Elves could destroy them. It could be that the next hero needs to help save Tevinter.

[Wren]

I feel like the whole time travel/disruption magic that they introduced in In Hushed Whispers will likely play a role in Solas' plan.  After all, if he can somehow just go back in time and undo the creation of the veil in the first place then the Inquisitor and all of the others that he's come to respect, will have never been real in the first place.

It was too big of a potential plot device to, you know, just ignore next game.  Time travel/disruption is kind of a big gun of a magical power.

I could see how a personality with a giant martyr complex like Solas has, would convince himself that using time-travel magic would be the best way to do things. He doesn't want to actually kill people, he just sees chaos and a loss of lives as an unavoidable casualty.

He even says, "Live well while time remains".

I've also been wondering why it isn't possible for a powerful Dreamer to find and confront Soals in the Fade, which would certainly not be a place he'd expect others to go looking for him.

[Cantina]

To tear down the Veil, kill a lot of people and ****** others off in the process.

[Dai Grepher]

I think his plan is misguided, but this is what he thinks will happen. He will destroy the Veil, causing the Fade and Reality to merge. Most people and spirits will die in this raw chaos. That energy will eventually lead to new spirits being born. Those spirits will be like the ones of old that Solas knew. Any people or spirits who survive this will be killed by The Dread Wolf (I don't want you to see what I must become, Solas says to a romanced female elf). He will do this in order to protect his new utopia. He will then rule over this new utopia, guiding all spirits in the ways of old, and also watching for any signs of corruption, which will be dealt with quickly. As for the elves, they will either be awakened, or they will die in the chaos with the others and then be reborn as new spirits.

 

However, I think Solas is wrong in his estimations and assumptions. There are many things he isn't accounting for. The titans, for example, still exist. Valta will likely show up with her titan, which will awaken if the Veil drops. It stirred just from the breach, which was miles away. According to the legends, it took Mythal to slay a titan. So I doubt Solas will be able to slay one, let alone two or more. And since they are made of lyrium, they may have more control and influence over the merged reality than Solas will.

 

There are also the two remaining old gods, which predate the evanuris, and have continued dreaming and observing the world. It seems like they would be more knowledgeable than Solas, and if Flemeth wanted Urthemiel's soul, then it's likely they are extremely powerful at the very least. The old gods championed Tevinter, which built itself up from the remnants of the elvhen empire. So it's also likely that these remaining old gods will be enemies of Solas, especially if Mythal has twisted Urthemiel to her own purposes.

 

We also have the evanuris, trapped behind their mirrors, presumably at full power. Maybe they entered uthenera, maybe not. Maybe they have just been gathering power this whole time. Maybe they have their own pocket dimension where their followers still exist ready to continue the war.

 

Mythal seems to be on Solas' side. She allowed Flemeth (clone or no) to be killed by Solas. It's unclear if he absorbed anything from her. But, if she wants revenge on those who betrayed her, and if Solas is telling the truth that Mythal was murdered by the evanuris, then logically Mythal would want them released so that she can kill them.

 

And this might be part of Solas' plan as well. Once Mythal is restored in the merged world, she will have her revenge on the others. After this, both she and Solas will rule over the new utopia together. There might even be some kind of romance thing going on here, which would explain why Solas dumps the female elf no matter what and won't let her follow him.

 

However, there is also the taint. It exists in the Black City, and in the real world. This corruption could pose a threat to the new utopia. Unless... the Hero of Ferelden found the cure. In which case, wouldn't that bite, if Morrigan sent the Hero on that quest to cure the taint but was an unwitting pawn in Mythal's game to cleanse the taint from all existence to prepare for the new utopia?

 

But there are also the Forbidden Ones. The Formless One in particular is still on the loose. The other three may have returned to the Fade and may still exist in some form. The evanuris had dealings with Xebenkeck long ago, so the Forbidden Ones will likely be enemies of Solas and Mythal. And isn't it interesting that even though Xebenkeck existed in the same reality as the evanuris, and yet also existed in a powerful form in the real world millennia later in DA2? Same with Gaxkang and Imshael. The Veil's alleged creation by Solas did not affect them. Also to this point we may as well include the Forgotten Ones, who hate all the evanuris. They seem to be plotting their own method of attack, and one of them has a tomb in the Frostback Basis. Which means they might exist in the real world similar to how the Forbidden Ones do.

 

As for when Solas will attempt to destroy the Veil, it depends. Did he obtain the mark from the Inquisitor or not? If so, then according to his statements, he needs only to enter the Fade and then destroy the Veil. If this is the case, then perhaps he is accounting for the above problems, and is dealing with those first in order to ensure his plan succeeds completely. Or if not, then he still needs time to create a new anchor. Either way, some time remains yet before he tries to destroy the Veil. Also, he might have to prepare the elves for the transition. Otherwise, all of them might die in the chaos.

 

The Inquisitor and the new protag, and hopefully the Hero and Champion, will all stop him regardless.

[sniper_arrow]

I think his plan is misguided, but this is what he thinks will happen. He will destroy the Veil, causing the Fade and Reality to merge. Most people and spirits will die in this raw chaos. That energy will eventually lead to new spirits being born. Those spirits will be like the ones of old that Solas knew. Any people or spirits who survive this will be killed by The Dread Wolf (I don't want you to see what I must become, Solas says to a romanced female elf). He will do this in order to protect his new utopia. He will then rule over this new utopia, guiding all spirits in the ways of old, and also watching for any signs of corruption, which will be dealt with quickly. As for the elves, they will either be awakened, or they will die in the chaos with the others and then be reborn as new spirits.

 

However, I think Solas is wrong in his estimations and assumptions. There are many things he isn't accounting for. The titans, for example, still exist. Valta will likely show up with her titan, which will awaken if the Veil drops. It stirred just from the breach, which was miles away. According to the legends, it took Mythal to slay a titan. So I doubt Solas will be able to slay one, let alone two or more. And since they are made of lyrium, they may have more control and influence over the merged reality than Solas will.

 

There are also the two remaining old gods, which predate the evanuris, and have continued dreaming and observing the world. It seems like they would be more knowledgeable than Solas, and if Flemeth wanted Urthemiel's soul, then it's likely they are extremely powerful at the very least. The old gods championed Tevinter, which built itself up from the remnants of the elvhen empire. So it's also likely that these remaining old gods will be enemies of Solas, especially if Mythal has twisted Urthemiel to her own purposes.

 

We also have the evanuris, trapped behind their mirrors, presumably at full power. Maybe they entered uthenera, maybe not. Maybe they have just been gathering power this whole time. Maybe they have their own pocket dimension where their followers still exist ready to continue the war.

 

Mythal seems to be on Solas' side. She allowed Flemeth (clone or no) to be killed by Solas. It's unclear if he absorbed anything from her. But, if she wants revenge on those who betrayed her, and if Solas is telling the truth that Mythal was murdered by the evanuris, then logically Mythal would want them released so that she can kill them.

 

And this might be part of Solas' plan as well. Once Mythal is restored in the merged world, she will have her revenge on the others. After this, both she and Solas will rule over the new utopia together. There might even be some kind of romance thing going on here, which would explain why Solas dumps the female elf no matter what and won't let her follow him.

 

However, there is also the taint. It exists in the Black City, and in the real world. This corruption could pose a threat to the new utopia. Unless... the Hero of Ferelden found the cure. In which case, wouldn't that bite, if Morrigan sent the Hero on that quest to cure the taint but was an unwitting pawn in Mythal's game to cleanse the taint from all existence to prepare for the new utopia?

 

But there are also the Forbidden Ones. The Formless One in particular is still on the loose. The other three may have returned to the Fade and may still exist in some form. The evanuris had dealings with Xebenkeck long ago, so the Forbidden Ones will likely be enemies of Solas and Mythal. And isn't it interesting that even though Xebenkeck existed in the same reality as the evanuris, and yet also existed in a powerful form in the real world millennia later in DA2? Same with Gaxkang and Imshael. The Veil's alleged creation by Solas did not affect them. Also to this point we may as well include the Forgotten Ones, who hate all the evanuris. They seem to be plotting their own method of attack, and one of them has a tomb in the Frostback Basis. Which means they might exist in the real world similar to how the Forbidden Ones do.

 

As for when Solas will attempt to destroy the Veil, it depends. Did he obtain the mark from the Inquisitor or not? If so, then according to his statements, he needs only to enter the Fade and then destroy the Veil. If this is the case, then perhaps he is accounting for the above problems, and is dealing with those first in order to ensure his plan succeeds completely. Or if not, then he still needs time to create a new anchor. Either way, some time remains yet before he tries to destroy the Veil. Also, he might have to prepare the elves for the transition. Otherwise, all of them might die in the chaos.

 

The Inquisitor and the new protag, and hopefully the Hero and Champion, will all stop him regardless.

 

I think Mythal is a wild card here. Both her and Solas share the same plan, but we don't know if their goals truly align. She viewed the Dalish as one of the People (unless she was secretly mocking them), unlike Solas. Also, Flemmythal still has plans for Morrigan (if she drank the well).

[Dai Grepher]

True. She could be playing Solas for a chump somehow. I get the impression that Solas isn't even aware of the spirit woman who rose out of the Well of Sorrows and went in to the eluvian. Only the Inquisitor saw her. That was probably Mythal's main... consciousness or whatever.

[Knight of Dane]

Given that the next game is in Tevinter, and that he expresses surprise at Tevinter ingenuity I would assume that at first he wants to find some of their knowledge related to elves. They unlocked effective immortality, and that uber-elf orb, so they likely have something that he can use to tear down his veil.

 

I am hoping he will not be the main antagonist yet though, but rather show his hand later in the game. I hope DA4 will be a more political game where we get to play with Dorian's new party.

[vbibbi]

Perhaps he will be the mastermind behind goading the Qunari to launch an all out war with Tevinter. Then, while Tevinter is occupied on the front lines, he incites an elven slave rebellion and loots ancient elven artifacts amidst the chaos. I like the idea of getting another orb, which seems like the most logical plan for him.

 

I also think he could be working on "recruiting" spirits to his cause, much like the guardians in Trespasser. The spirits would spy on magisters while dreaming to discern the location of ancient artifacts.

 

Possibly he'll be involved with a Warden plot, as well. Perhaps he plans on freeing the remaining two Old Gods and either allying with them or harnessing their power like Mythal. He's angry at the Wardens because they are destroying potential power sources for him

[Medhia_Nox]

People are going to be SO disappointed with how the whole Solas thing is going to turn out.

[ComedicSociopathy]

People are going to be SO disappointed with how the whole Solas thing is going to turn out.

 

[vbibbi]

People are going to be SO disappointed with how the whole Solas thing is going to turn out.

Bio will troll us and postpone Solas until DA5. Just think of the fan tears!