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[duckley]

When he is in the fade with Flemeth- did I see a warden symbol on his chest? Looked like a griffon...

 

[X Equestris]

I'm pretty sure it's some sort of Warden pendant.

[Cantina]

I've noticed that when I first met the boy.

 

It does not look like a pendent but a simple piece of armor. Yes, it certainly looks like a griffon.

 

 

[berelinde]

It's on a string around his neck, I think, but yeah, definitely a griffon.

 

Part of the confusion is that they tend to make all visible jewelry enormous. Florianne's ring is as big as her finger. Cole's amulet is actually more of a brooch, and it covers a quarter of his chest. I guess they're afraid we won't see it.

[Ghost Gal]

Since his father is a Grey Warden no matter what (either the male Warden, with or without the ritual, or Alistair or Loghain with the ritual), it's likely Morrigan has him wear it as a way to honor his heritage/father.

[duckley]

Very cool - even if his father is Alistair.... I also wondered if it had anything to do with the old god soul thing or some connection to the mystery of Flemeth and Morrigan and Solas....

 

Doesn't Solas hate the wardens?

[Nixou]

Doesn't Solas hate the wardens?

 

 

It's more like he holds them in contempt, seeing them as fools who jumps to conclusion without thinking things through beforehand...

Which betrays a glaring lack of self-awareness on the old dog's part.

[Aren]

Since his father is a Grey Warden no matter what (either the male Warden, with or without the ritual, or Alistair or Loghain with the ritual), it's likely Morrigan has him wear it as a way to honor his heritage/father.

As a way to honor Loghain,the same man who tried to kill her alongside the entire company?

Or a Warden who tried to attack Morrigan?

Why?

Maybe the boy just liked the pendant that he saw on an Orlesian shop,or at least this is what i have come up,to justify that pendant,whom only now i discovered is a pendant and not a piece of the dress.

Speaking of pendants did someone know the meaning of Solas pendant?

[Snowy-Ninja]

Speaking of pendants did someone know the meaning of Solas pendant?

Popular belief is that its a wolf jaw, its a jaw of some kinda anyway.

If think the Keiran's pendant is a reference to his father, Morrigan loves him and i guess in a way she will always be grateful (even if she didn't like him) to the warden who helped produce him.

[duckley]

Morrigan doesn't love Alistair...but  good on her - she has not let her disdain impact her parenting of Keiran - I believe she told him that he was a good man?

[berelinde]

Morrigan doesn't love Alistair...but  good on her - she has not let her disdain impact her parenting of Keiran - I believe she told him that he was a good man?

According to the bugged dialogue you're supposed to get if you spare the Warden in the Fade, Morrigan felt he deserved that much, at least.

 

Both Loghain and Alistair have interesting dialogue about Morrigan, actually. I wouldn't describe it as warm, exactly, but it's definitely familiar. "Say goodbye to the witch," Loghain says with something bordering on affection. As is Alistair's "Tell Morrigan... (laughs wryly). Tell her I stood around looking foolish." Neither has illusions about the regard Morrigan holds for them, but both recognize Morrigan as a fellow survivor of a lost era. An old enemy is almost as good as a friend.

[Tidus]

duckley,Yes,she told Keiran that his father was a good man.. I do like the way Morrigan  told her mother ,"I am many things but,I will not be the mother you were to me." 

 

I'm sure that is a Griffon crest.

[thats1evildude]

He wears the griffon crest in Skyhold as well.

[Gervaise]

She said before the dark ritual that she would ensure that Kieran respected where he came from and presumably she came to feel the same even if he was fathered earlier before they fell out    I recall she even says to my Inquisitor that she now regrets that they parted on bad terms (or words to that effect).    So, yes, it is a griffon badge such as the Wardens wear.     Morrigan loves her son and wanted him to have at least some connection with his father, in contrast to her own upbringing when she never knew anything other than the lurid details concerning her mother's liaisons with Chassind men.

[PCThug]

They wouldn't put a

 

 

As a way to honor Loghain,the same man who tried to kill her alongside the entire company?

Or a Warden who tried to attack Morrigan?

Why?

Maybe the boy just liked the pendant that he saw on an Orlesian shop,or at least this is what i have come up,to justify that pendant,whom only now i discovered is a pendant and not a piece of the dress.

Speaking of pendants did someone know the meaning of Solas pendant?

 

Design decisions rarely come from a "Just because" stand point. Whatever else he did, Loghain still enabled Morrigan to have Kieran. Further, she could also be honoring the Warden, who would have had to agree to her plan and talked Loghain into it.

 

Solas' pendant is the jawbone of a wolf, I believe.

[Aren]

They wouldn't put a

 

Design decisions rarely come from a "Just because" stand point. 

But they  obviously can't cover in equal ways every possible scenario.

Seriously though the griffin pendant has a symbolic meaning,it represent the Grey wardens and their system belief

(the whole destruction of the old gods/archdemons,their sacrifice) and no one of those things pertains to Morrigan system belief.

So i would say unless the Warden is not directly the father in which case that pendant meaning fit better to the contest,the griffin pendant seem forced,especially because the same warden who helped Morrigan could have also tried to kill her in the Dlc.

[Tidus]

If Alistair or  the PC warden is the father then the cress is honoring his father. In my games Loghain dies for his many crimes. Your mileage may vary.

[Aren]

If Alistair or  the PC warden is the father then the cress is honoring his father. In my games Loghain dies for his many crimes. Your mileage may vary.

Sorry but i don't see Morrigan honoring AListair either......@Berelinde explained that way better than me.

Or even the HoF if such hero go full insane mode and tried to kill her after the romance.

My explanation is:

_it works for a warden who was friend with her or romanced her (without go insane murdered knife mode in WH).

-Or the boy just liked the pendant that he saw on an Orlesian shop

 

[Gervaise]

Surely it would be better to tell her son at least part of the truth; that his father was a Grey Warden, than leave him to work it out for himself when older?   He would be able to discover his mother's connection to the fifth Blight.    The Warden's followers included an Antivan elf assassin, a drunken dwarf and a qunari as a potential father.    I doubt he would be thrilled to think any of them might have been his father, whereas at least a Warden has the aura of hero about him, regardless of which one it actually was.     It doesn't really matter to Morrigan what she thought about the real father, just the fact he was a Warden, without which Kieran could not have been conceived.  

[Tidus]

Aren, I don't think Morrigan hates Alistair since they seem neutral toward each other when Alistair met his son.

 

She told Alistair  that she told Kieran that his father was a good man. 

[berelinde]

Aren, I don't think Morrigan hates Alistair since they seem neutral toward each other when Alistair met his son.

 

She told Alistair  that she told Kieran that his father was a good man. 

Tidus, I don't think it's easy to summarize Morrigan's feelings about Alistair in such a simple word. Alistair frustrates her. She recognizes (and covets) the potential power he could wield, but she resents him for it, and she scoffs at his reluctance to seize it. She recognizes that Alistair tries to be a good man, and gives credit where it's due, but she doesn't respect good men. She respects ambition, and Alistair has none. So no, she doesn't hate him, exactly. But she does consider him risible. Alistair is aware of her disdain for him.

[BraveVesperia]

According to the bugged dialogue you're supposed to get if you spare the Warden in the Fade, Morrigan felt he deserved that much, at least.

 

Both Loghain and Alistair have interesting dialogue about Morrigan, actually. I wouldn't describe it as warm, exactly, but it's definitely familiar. "Say goodbye to the witch," Loghain says with something bordering on affection. As is Alistair's "Tell Morrigan... (laughs wryly). Tell her I stood around looking foolish." Neither has illusions about the regard Morrigan holds for them, but both recognize Morrigan as a fellow survivor of a lost era. An old enemy is almost as good as a friend.

Plus, they both owe her their lives, since they or the Hero of Ferelden would've died otherwise. I imagine Loghain might feel that in particular since he outrigh says he expected you to sacrifice him if you make him a Warden.

[German Soldier]

Plus, they both owe her their lives, since they or the Hero of Ferelden would've died otherwise. I imagine Loghain might feel that in particular since he outrigh says he expected you to sacrifice him if you make him a Warden.

They "owe" to her nothing,since she gained the soul of an old god,which is more valuable than the life of a GW.

Or if the HoF performed the Ultimate Sacrifice they were saved by the Warden.

I would like to know if with an US the scene plays the same regardless...

[Tidus]

berelinde,What you say is true but, even after Alistair made some comments about what he thought Kieran would be like  Morrigan replied in a gentle manner instead of  making her usual spiteful comments she use toward him in DA:O.

 

Was it because Kieran was standing there? More then likely.

 

I use the word neutral  simply because they didn't have their usual go at each other. Kinda like divorce parent on visiting their children on their weekly visiting day.

[Apo]

berelinde,What you say is true but, even after Alistair made some comments about what he thought Kieran would be like  Morrigan replied in a gentle manner instead of  making her usual spiteful comments she use toward him in DA:O.

 

Was it because Kieran was standing there? More then likely.

 

I use the word neutral  simply because they didn't have their usual go at each other. Kinda like divorce parent on visiting their children on their weekly visiting day.

 

It's more likely that becoming a mother soften her attitude from what she used to be in DA:O, not forgeting that it has been 10 years so older and wiser.