So we shall keep the Grey Wardens around but let's not call them that anymore.
From this day forward, they'll be known as Guys Who Took The Joining. Brave men who will save us from the Blight!
Grey wardens are an organisation with certain structure.
Creating new organisation with new structure but same purpose will be different organization.
To be fair, I like their armors in DA2 and DAI.
Which is obviously something not proven either,but just what the GW believe.The silent grove is a DA comic which is canon for the player in the case that Alistair remain a GW or was crowned king.now the latter scenario may happen in fact with the scenario of the Loghain redemption means that Loghain soul should be technically "erased" and yet Maric reveal to Alistair that both Rowan nd Loghain souls are still in the fade and that he doesn't wish to return in the mortal world.http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fade(under the silent grove section) apprently the US didn't erased his soul.
Is your choice to make it 100 to 500 you can simply allow the Warden to throw himself out of a window when he is 100 years old
True, it isn't proven, but it is the belief. And it's the belief that is what could cause some Wardens to chicken out, unless they knew it all along and mentally prepared for it during the length of their service.
Um... I'm not sure if the comics can accurately portray a Loghain Sacrifice worldstate in the first place. The comics showed a Warden Sacrifice worldstate. So if that even was Loghain's soul, it is only because he was executed. However, I doubt that was even Loghain's soul. That was probably just Maric's dream world and memories.
I think the theory of soul cancelation comes from the fact that the archdemon's soul does not rise again. If that soul no longer exists to be reborn in a different darkspawn, then the UltSac Warden should logically be destroyed as well. The theory probably also dates back to the time when the Joining was formulated. Tevinter magisters probably calculated this out.
It is not a proven fact, but as I wrote, in order for my point to work it only needs the Grey Wardens to think that their soul will be destroyed, and they do.
It's true that the PoB Hero can choose to die the hard way at any time. That's a good point, and I can't argue that. Still, there are some Heroes who choose not to drink from the concoction, knowing how it was made. Some Heroes also want to be free of the taint completely. I have one Hero who did not drink and wants to be cured, and I have one Hero who drank and only wants to find the cure so he can profit from it.
Eee, no if you didn't get the clue.As i said function that grey wardens provide can be performed by anyone as long you have access to joining.If grey warden order would be annihilated world wouln't even feel it.In fact as i said order that was appointed to save world from blights proved itself to be danger to the world.
Grey wardens order isn't necessity if there better alternative.
I think he's having trouble separating those who have gained the taint resistance from the Grey Wardens as a military order, but you explain it well enough. The Grey Wardens aren't needed. The concoction for the taint resistance is needed.
My thoughts on the Grey Wardens are those of overwhelming support.
I acknowledge and recognize that they're a flawed organization, but they are still far and away my favorite organization in the Dragon Age setting, partly because of those flaws.
The Wardens are boring. Thedas need real warriors not high-class whiners. Templars are better at protecting people, though they shouldn't take order from crazy knight-commanders or they'll get another "Kirkwall crisis".
The Templars did a real good job burning half of Ferelden and Orlais with their little war with the mages. They also whined about the "Chantry" not appreciated them and them stormed off to write goth poetry and smoke red lyrium.
True, it isn't proven, but it is the belief. And it's the belief that is what could cause some Wardens to chicken out, unless they knew it all along and mentally prepared for it during the length of their service.
Um... I'm not sure if the comics can accurately portray a Loghain Sacrifice worldstate in the first place. The comics showed a Warden Sacrifice worldstate. So if that even was Loghain's soul, it is only because he was executed. However, I doubt that was even Loghain's soul. That was probably just Maric's dream world and memories.
I think the theory of soul cancelation comes from the fact that the archdemon's soul does not rise again. If that soul no longer exists to be reborn in a different darkspawn, then the UltSac Warden should logically be destroyed as well. The theory probably also dates back to the time when the Joining was formulated. Tevinter magisters probably calculated this out.
It is not a proven fact, but as I wrote, in order for my point to work it only needs the Grey Wardens to think that their soul will be destroyed, and they do.
It's true that the PoB Hero can choose to die the hard way at any time. That's a good point, and I can't argue that. Still, there are some Heroes who choose not to drink from the concoction, knowing how it was made. Some Heroes also want to be free of the taint completely. I have one Hero who did not drink and wants to be cured, and I have one Hero who drank and only wants to find the cure so he can profit from it.
And it is disproved by the fact that Corypheus is able to reborn within a GW.So the soul of the GW,once Corypheus is reborn i doubt that it get destroyed since hte one of Corypheus is intact,more likely the soul of the GW is banished while the one of Coryhues remain.I'm of the opinion that the taint works by infecting not only the body but the soul as well,in fact it is proven that the archdemon soul is different from the old god soul because is tainted.Two tainted souls may simply be banished in the void,meaning that the old gods and the warden sacrificed may be there.absolute destruction is disproved by science
No, it is not disproved at all. Corypheus is not an Archdemon. Creatures of the taint with a similar ability but that is it. When the Archdemon dies it needs a creature of the taint to be remade ,Darkspawn are empty vessels and can be taken over with no ill effects to the Archdemon ,Greywardens are not an empty vessel so the two souls collide and are mutually annihilated
Now Corypheus can actually destroy himself and completely take over a Greywarden, we do not know why as noone has an answer. Personally i beleive it is like taping over a old movie with a newer one.
The Templars did a real good job burning half of Ferelden and Orlais with their little war with the mages. They also whined about the "Chantry" not appreciated them and them stormed off to write goth poetry and smoke red lyrium.
Don't forget the Seekers.
Two tainted souls may simply be banished in the void,meaning that the old gods and the warden sacrificed may be there.absolute destruction is disproved by science
Seriously?
Don't forget the Seekers.
You mean the Seekers who like the Templar High Command were either A all killed at the conclave, B lured to their death at the hands of a doomsday cult or flat out murdered lo prevent them from stopping the corruption of the rank and file of the templars?
You mean the Seekers who like the Templar High Command were either A all killed at the conclave, B lured to their death at the hands of a doomsday cult or flat out murdered lo prevent them from stopping the corruption of the rank and file of the templars?
The Seekers weren't fed to the doomsday cult to stop corruption in the Templars. The Seekers were fed to the doomsday cult because they couldn't be controlled via Red Lyriuum and Cory wanted that loose end GONE, and so did Lucius (for different and IMHO somewhat insane reasons). At no time were the Seekers ever likely to ally with the Inquisition (and Cassandra even says as much).
And it is disproved by the fact that Corypheus is able to reborn within a GW.So the soul of the GW,once Corypheus is reborn i doubt that it get destroyed since hte one of Corypheus is intact,more likely the soul of the GW is banished while the one of Coryhues remain.I'm of the opinion that the taint works by infecting not only the body but the soul as well,in fact it is proven that the archdemon soul is different from the old god soul because is tainted.Two tainted souls may simply be banished in the void,meaning that the old gods and the warden sacrificed may be there.absolute destruction is disproved by science
No, Cory's special ability proves nothing about when a Warden and Archdemon soul clash.
Science doesn't account for souls, and science in the DA universe isn't the same as it is in ours.
The Seekers weren't fed to the doomsday cult to stop corruption in the Templars. The Seekers were fed to the doomsday cult because they couldn't be controlled via Red Lyriuum and Cory wanted that loose end GONE, and so did Lucius (for different and IMHO somewhat insane reasons). At no time were the Seekers ever likely to ally with the Inquisition (and Cassandra even says as much).
Well at least you didn't disagree about my point of the templar leadership being killed off to allow it to happen, and you don't really think the Seekers would not notice the whole red lyrium corruption thing do you? The same lot that are trained from childhood to suspect everyone? They were a threat that had to be eliminated much like the Templar Leadership who would have been able to spot the envy demon pretending to be the lord seeker.
Darkspawns are not empty vessel, since in DAA some of them are awakened and the Architect do not create souls for them he just grant to them some resistenceNo, it is not disproved at all. Corypheus is not an Archdemon. Creatures of the taint with a similar ability but that is it. When the Archdemon dies it needs a creature of the taint to be remade ,Darkspawn are empty vessels and can be taken over with no ill effects to the Archdemon ,Greywardens are not an empty vessel so the two souls collide and are mutually annihilated
Now Corypheus can actually destroy himself and completely take over a Greywarden, we do not know why as noone has an answer. Personally i beleive it is like taping over a old movie with a newer one.
Corypheus use the same process to reborn and if you pay attention it was never stated that he can possess every GW he can do that only on those that he already control, this proof that this is an ability tied to the will not to souls.No, Cory's special ability proves nothing about when a Warden and Archdemon soul clash.
Science doesn't account for souls, and science in the DA universe isn't the same as it is in ours.
Corypheus use the same process to reborn and if you pay attention it was never stated that he can possess every GW he can do that only on those that he already control, this proof that this is an ability tied to the will not to souls.No, Cory's special ability proves nothing about when a Warden and Archdemon soul clash.
Science doesn't account for souls, and science in the DA universe isn't the same as it is in ours.
Corypheus use the same process to reborn and if you pay attention it was never stated that he can possess every GW he can do that only on those that he already control, this proof that this is an ability tied to the will not to souls.
Same for the AD the darkspawns under their control are not souless they are only under is will.
Where is it said it's the same process? The Archdemon spawns out of a Darkspawn and that ability is cancelled by a Warden (possibly thanks to the Archdemon blood used in the ritual?). Corypheus, as far as we know, can respawn in any blighted creature, it just happens that both times we see him do it there's a Warden nearby to serve as a body.
Also the Warden possession is another thing altogether. It's a spell used to put the Wardens under his command, but that is not required for the respawn to work as we see at the end of Legacy.
(I made a double post because i'm not on pc sigh mistake)Where is it said it's the same process? The Archdemon spawns out of a Darkspawn and that ability is cancelled by a Warden (possibly thanks to the Archdemon blood used in the ritual?). Corypheus, as far as we know, can respawn in any blighted creature, it just happens that both times we see him do it there's a Warden nearby to serve as a body.
Also the Warden possession is another thing altogether. It's a spell used to put the Wardens under his command, but that is not required for the respawn to work as we see at the end of Legacy.
(I made a double post because i'm not on pc sigh mistake)
In legacy the 2 warden used wete already under his influence his calling which influenced them for too long.
I never saw Corypheus possess someone who was not under his influence yet and thanks to the nightmare demon this iflunce of the calling was amplified
That's quite a leap of logic. The Calling (real or fake) doesn't have much to do with the binding ritual that enslaved the Warden mages, which is explicitely blood magic in nature. The fact that Corypheus needed Nightmare to fake the calling also suggests he doesn't actually have that kind of power over the Wardens himself; he can whisper to them and such, and briefly took over the fragile Anders, but little seems to suggest that the Wardens in Legacy were completely under his influence; Larius hearing his calling was because he was an old Warden, not because of Cory.
Grey Wardens are Samaritans. When the whole world wants to eat your brains Grey Wardens take you in, give you a nice cup of warm blood with a elfroot dipper.
Darkspawns are not empty vessel, since in DAA some of them are awakened and the Architect do not create souls for them he just grant to them some resistence
They are empty vessels,standing on a box and screaming that it isn't so, does not make it so. They are empty in the sense they have no SOULS,gaining sentience like the Disciples were granted does not mean you gain a soul.
This is flawed at it's core all intelligent beings have a soul, without it there can't be an identity probably is not even possible to live without a soul in DAThey are empty vessels,standing on a box and screaming that it isn't so, does not make it so. They are empty in the sense they have no SOULS,gaining sentience like the Disciples were granted does not mean you gain a soul.
See Anders was mind controlled by Cory and he was a young warden, the calling is the mind control used by cory to submit others will in order to reborn laterThat's quite a leap of logic. The Calling (real or fake) doesn't have much to do with the binding ritual that enslaved the Warden mages, which is explicitely blood magic in nature. The fact that Corypheus needed Nightmare to fake the calling also suggests he doesn't actually have that kind of power over the Wardens himself; he can whisper to them and such, and briefly took over the fragile Anders, but little seems to suggest that the Wardens in Legacy were completely under his influence; Larius hearing his calling was because he was an old Warden, not because of Cory.
I still like them, despite everything that happened, and want to see them reformed into a more open organization (like what happens when you ally with the Southern Wardens).
I prefer they focus on "In War, Victor" rather than "In Death, Sacrifice."
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