It would just make sense imo. With the Reapers, and Geth being responsible for so much bull crap in the ME series.
Would be cool if there was some infighting amongst humans, and aliens including Quarians if they're included(I mean there HAS to be at least a decent amount of Quarians who developed a strong hatred for synthetic life) over the creation of new synthetic creatures even if they're just VI's.
Yikes, brain, did not read that as 'synthetic'.
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Anywho, you could be pretty iffy against synthetics (and a fair bit of other things) in the Shepard Trilogy, so I wouldn't be surprised if such a trend continued.
Yikes, brain, did not read that as 'synthetic'.
I guess I'm glad I wasn't the only one. >.>
It would just make sense imo. With the Reapers, and Geth being responsible for so much bull crap in the ME series.
Would be cool if there was some infighting amongst humans, and aliens including Quarians if they're included(I mean there HAS to be at least a decent amount of Quarians who developed a strong hatred for synthetic life) over the creation of new synthetic creatures even if they're just VI's.
I want the opposite to be honest, but that would make a good plot point. I want the geth to return, when they are not shooting you they can be quite adorable! 
Racism is going to exist in ME regardless if you're a cute geth or a bucket head alien. Notable example is Ashley Williams.
I guess I'm glad I wasn't the only one. >.>
Right there with you.
But assuming there are more Synthetics in Andromeda, I don't see why not. Shepard could go from "you're just a machine, and machines can be broken" to "Geth have a soul" and anywhere in between. Of course, the odds are not in the Geth's favor in making it to Andromeda, and after kinda making Organics v. Synthetics the theme of the Shepard trilogy, I don't think Bioware would want to re-hash that plot.
Right there with you.
But assuming there are more Synthetics in Andromeda, I don't see why not. Shepard could go from "you're just a machine, and machines can be broken" to "Geth have a soul" and anywhere in between. Of course, the odds are not in the Geth's favor in making it to Andromeda, and after kinda making Organics v. Synthetics the theme of the Shepard trilogy, I don't think Bioware would want to re-hash that plot.
Geth can return as allies! Hangs on to blind hope >_>
Yikes, brain, did not read that as 'synthetic'.
I guess I'm glad I wasn't the only one. >.>
Makes me wonder what you thought I wrote.
Nvm I saw it too.
Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 11 novembre 2015 - 07:37 .
I would want them to avoid 'organic vs synthetic' stuff altogether. They handled it so poorly in the trilogy and I don't want them to retread the same old material.
It was hilarious. AI is all about examining what it is that makes us human - emotions, intelligence, some combination thereof, etc. ME3's answer is, apparently, "made out of meat".
After escape from AI genocide, I naturally expect colonists to be less than friendly towards AI. But Shepard save them from making it more important thing than shotgun or assault rifle preferences.
It was hilarious. AI is all about examining what it is that makes us human - emotions, intelligence, some combination thereof, etc. ME3's answer is, apparently, "made out of meat".
Not far from true after all. Emotions are Mother's Nature dirty hacks to override high-level brain routines and bugs in line with primary life purposes.
Yeah, wouldn't that be nice, just like ME1 and to a lesser extent ME2. Instead, by ME3 we are forced to accept a broken, dangerously uncontrollable toaster as a squadmate and ally with a malfunctioning geth.
I expect there to be irritating robots in ME:A, along with no recourse for those of us with sense to dispose of the ones who aren't serving their rightfully ordained purpose as unquestioningly obedient servants for their organic masters.
Not far from true after all. Emotions are Mother's Nature dirty hacks to override high-level brain routines and bugs in line with primary life purposes.
Very far from true, actually. A ham fisted false equivalence pulled from a crappy episode of TNG and not based on any sort of scientific understanding of biology doesn't make any difference to how things are empirically classified.
Toasters aren't people. They aren't even sentient living things deserving of the same rights as animals, plants, or bacteria. Deal with it.
Very far from true, actually. A ham fisted false equivalence pulled from a crappy episode of TNG and not based on any sort of scientific understanding of biology doesn't make any difference to how things are empirically classified.
Toasters aren't people. They aren't even sentient living things deserving of the same rights as animals, plants, or bacteria. Deal with it.
You are getting more aggressive every month, my friend. Don't take this matter too close to your heart.
I would like to have servant mechs on the ship, just simple mechs, not AIs like the Geth, it can cause too much trouble.
You are getting more aggressive every month, my friend. Don't take this matter too close to your heart.
If anything, I'm being nicer than ever because the easily triggered babbies in this section Can't Handle the Truth, and I assume there is some point beyond a couple dozen at which warning points eventually translate to a ban or something.
I'll take the lack of defense for your silly non sequitur as an admission of defeat. Good. I win, as always.
Racism is going to exist in ME regardless if you're a cute geth or a bucket head alien. Notable example is Ashley Williams.
After escape from AI genocide, I naturally expect colonists to be less than friendly towards AI. But Shepard save them from making it more important thing than shotgun or assault rifle preferences.
Not far from true after all. Emotions are Mother's Nature dirty hacks to override high-level brain routines and bugs in line with primary life purposes.
Racism is going to exist in ME regardless if you're a cute geth or a bucket head alien. Notable example is Ashley Williams.
Calling a machine what it is no more makes one a "racist" than one is made racist for recognizing the fact that a toaster is designed and built to make toast.
Ashley's observations aren't nearly as racist as the blatantly institutionalized racism that galactic politics in the ME universe is based on, where 3 species rule over (or exclude from participation) a dozen or so others through a species based system of Might Makes Right which makes the White Man's Burden seem an enlightened philosophy. She isn't even the most racist squadmate; that distinction belongs to Garrus, whom openly makes unequivocally racist comments toward half of the ME1 squad directly to their faces while simultaneously defending the openly racist Citadel Council political structure.
The ME setting is 10x worse than Jim Crow.
It was hilarious. AI is all about examining what it is that makes us human - emotions, intelligence, some combination thereof, etc. ME3's answer is, apparently, "made out of meat".
What? Doesn't Tali telling Legion he has a soul kind of invalidate that reading? If anything, Mass Effect's definition of "humanity" (or salarianity, kroganity, etc.) is alturism or recognising the "humanity" in others.
On-topic: Shepard could choose Destroy, which is anti-synthetic as it gets.
^It's the opposite though.
This is one of the ironies of the ending as written. Destroy represents the most optimistic view-point in terms of the potential for Organic/Synthetic cooperation and it's the ending which involves genocide of an entire species. Synthesis however is the ending most aligned with the Catalyst's belief that there can never be organic/synthetic cooperation, but the Synthetics do manage to survive. Of course, there's nothing saying that we have to embrace the Catalyst's approach to the problem; you can choose Destroy out of hatred for the Geth if you'd like. But in terms of the writer's approach to the scenario, the Catalyst is against Destroy because it removes all checks and balances against humans creating synthetics. He supports Synthesis because (he thinks) it prevents any possibility for conflict on those grounds.
If anything, I'm being nicer than ever because the easily triggered babbies in this section Can't Handle the Truth, and I assume there is some point beyond a couple dozen at which warning points eventually translate to a ban or something.
Or they could just hate your abrasive and self-righteous attitude. I certainly do. And we didn't even talked about your actual opinions...
On topic, it would be only fair if we could play as pro-synthetic as well. Like "has a brain implant and carries around a geth in her Omni-Tool" pro-synthetic.
Or they could just hate your abrasive and self-righteous attitude. I certainly do. And we didn't even talked about your actual opinions...
I didn't know the internet rules required me to placate everyone on the planet who could potentially take offense at something I say. Thanks for clearing that one up. I guess I should be nicer to people who are wrong and vehemently refuse to recognize it despite being presented with all the empirical evidence pointing to the contrary.
My "opinions" are usually facts, as in this thread. No point in disputing something that is an unequivocal truth.
I would want them to avoid 'organic vs synthetic' stuff altogether. They handled it so poorly in the trilogy and I don't want them to retread the same old material.
The same here. If I want to see the old man vs. machine/nature vs.technology/organic vs. synthetic trope I can watch: any of the 5 Terminator movies and it's one TV show, either version of Battlestar Galactica, Caprica, Transformers: Beast Machines, A.I.: Artificial Intelligence, Blade Runner, I Robot, Kronos, Ghost in the Shell, The Matrix, or a dozen others movies and TV shows. Most of these I got on DVD and/or Blu-Ray or easily stream off any number VOD providers.
Please BioWare if you're going to that trope again then do it in a way that is somewhat different, or at least handle the material/subject matter better.
You're completely wrong. There's an incredible body of research out there on how central emotions are to our higher cognitive functions and our capacity to solve problems. More generally, what we see as "higher" functions (e.g. our capacity for symbolic thought) are actually far less useful to things like problem solving and insight than we think.
People way too often treat reason and emotion like they're inherently conflicting aspects of human nature.
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