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[congokong]

Has this been explained in the lore and I've missed it? From what we learn in Trespasser Solas, Mythal, etc. were merely elven "magisters" it seems in a world where all elves presumably had magic and never aged.

 

1. What makes Solas, etc. more special than the other elves besides social rank?

2. How is Solas so powerful that he can petrify people with a thought now?

3. How is he stronger after several years?

4. Did Solas let Corypheus get the orb merely because he was impatient and wanted to bring down the veil ASAP without waiting to regain his own strength?

5. Was Solas holding back his power for appearances in DA:I?

6. How are Mythal's "remnants" still around when she's dead if she was merely an ancient elf?

7. Is Solas still immortal?

8. Did Solas seriously create the veil just to banish the false gods instead of killing them because of this unexplained remnant of them that could persist?

 

 

Some of these questions probably haven't been truly answered, but can anyone answer some and/or give theories for the rest?

[Andromelek]

-I think Solas, just like the rest of Evanuirs are likely nothing but gifted dreamers.
-He's been about four years awake, he might have recovered part of his power and he also drained Flemeth and Mythal.
-Stronger than on the main game is likely because of Flemeth, but I don't think he is on better fit than when he sealed the Evanuirs (which makes his whole plan sound stupid).
-Yes he is impatient and was weak by then, he needed a powerful pawn to unlock the orb but such pawn turned to be something impressive even for him.
-He genuinely needed Inky to defeat Corypheus, if he would had more power he could have attempted to recover the orb by himself.
-Similar to how Urthemiel can still live through Kieran, I guess.
-Problem on DAverse has never been kill someone but keep them dead, if the question is does he has a back up plan, I do believe so, but it seems is not as good if he is afraid of Corypheus, Andruil and Anaris.
-Or he wanted to make them suffer, or he really fears them but the world turned to be so crappy that he prefers face them now.

[The Hierophant]

1- He's an ancient dreamer who is knowledgeable about long forgotten magic, and history. Think of the Wheel of Time's ancient Channelers who were far more powerful than your average Aes Sedai.

2 & 3- A modern day dreamer like Feynriel with only 3 years of training could control people in Kirkwall while in Tevinter. Solas with his knowledge on ancient forgotten magic should be on another level. Then there's the possibility that he's being amped by one of his unknown artifacts, and or Flemeth's essence.

4- Yeah it was a failed "two birds with one stone" attempt by Solas due to him being too weak at the time.

5- Me personally I think he was probably holding back, and still feeling the after effects of his hibernation too.

6- Seems like it's some unknown spell or a dreamer ability that's more advanced than what Corypheus uses.

7 & 8- Who knows at this point.

[Evamitchelle]

Mostly my own interpretation of things, since the facts aren't all super clear. 

 

• Creating the Veil weakened magic as a whole, meaning that ancient elves would have been generally more powerful than present-day mages. The Evanuris were powerful mages to begin with, and their increase in status only made them more so (having more resources available, people to work for you, possibly restricting knowledge of more powerful spells from spreading if that codex mentioning someone being punished for daring to take on the shape of the divine is anything to go by etc). 
• Mages are not created equal in power (i.e. some mages can barely light a candle), some are naturally more powerful than others. Solas is a naturally gifted mage and loves learning more about magic. That could be the extent of his 'specialness'.  
• Got a boost in power from having absorbed Mythal's essence.
• It could be that it would take a great amount of time before he'd be powerful enough to activate the orb, like a couple centuries. 
• I don't think he was holding back his power in DAI, he only got so powerful in Trespasser because of what he took from Flemeth. 
• In the same way that ancient dwarves were different than current dwarves, there are indications that the ancient elves were something more than regular elves. For the dwarves it was the titans, for the elves it would probably be spirits. Some of Cole's dialogue indicates that ancient elves could have been spirits who took on a body like he did. When Solas' friend Wisdom died, he said something akin to there being stirrings of energy where his friend used to be in the Fade and that with time, a new spirit of wisdom might form, though it would likely not have the same personality and not remember him. Something similar could have happened with Mythal. Or it could be like what we've already seen Flemeth do: the Warden might have killed her physical form, but she'd already given part of herself to Hawke so that she was able to take form again. 
• Ancient elves' immortality was part of their nature, but the Veil apparently took that away, which would indicate that Solas is mortal as well. But he could probably replicate Corypheus' effective immortality (unless it's tied to the Blight ?), or just take the same body-hopping route that Flemeth took. Dying of old age is probably the least of his concerns right now. 
• I don't think Solas created the Veil just to punish the Evanuris. In Trespasser he said that he created the Veil because every alternative was worse. There are also codex entries saying stuff like this: "What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all.", and Solas saying that the Evanuris threatened the entire world. So creating the Veil would have two positive results: lock the Evanuris away to suffer for eternity and contain whatever they were about to let loose on the world (maybe the Blight). 

[congokong]

 

• Mages are not created equal in power (i.e. some mages can barely light a candle), some are naturally more powerful than others. Solas is a naturally gifted mage and loves learning more about magic. That could be the extent of his 'specialness'.  

Yeah, I suspect modern mages would equate to the more powerful ones (the Evanuirs) of the past, and those currently without any magical talent would be like the past's weaker mages?

 

 

Follow-up question: Do you think bringing down the veil would have anything but negative effects for other races? Ex: Increased magical powers for non-elven mages, immortality, etc.? Solas says (but won't elaborate) that doing so would be bad for other races.

[Andromelek]

Yeah, I suspect modern mages would equate to the more powerful ones (the Evanuirs) of the past, and those currently without any magical talent would be like the past's weaker mages?
 
 
Follow-up question: Do you think bringing down the veil would have anything but negative effects for other races? Ex: Increased magical powers for non-elven mages, immortality, etc.? Solas says (but won't elaborate) that doing so would be bad for other races.

Spirits Free + Theodosians being a lot of dicks = Demons everywhere.

[Evamitchelle]

Yeah, I suspect modern mages would equate to the more powerful ones (the Evanuirs) of the past, and those currently without any magical talent would be like the past's weaker mages?

 

 

Follow-up question: Do you think bringing down the veil would have anything but negative effects for other races? Ex: Increased magical powers for non-elven mages, immortality, etc.? Solas says (but won't elaborate) that doing so would be bad for other races.

 

Humans apparently weren't immortal even pre-Veil, so that might be something only the elves could get. I don't think having no Veil in itself would be harmful to the other races, it's the violent tearing down that seems to be the problem to me. I also don't see the modern people of Thedas reacting all that well to suddenly being in the same world as demons 24/7. 

[thats1evildude]

They were powerful sorcerors in an age where magic was everywhere. I imagine they were naturally more talented mages than the rest, and they had access to certain magics reserved for the evanuris.

[Gervaise]

Dorian only likened the evanuris to Magisters in that they were very powerful mages at the top of the pecking order.   They were way more powerful than current day Magisters because there was no Veil so they could tap directly into the power of the Fade.    Then Mythal apparently conquered a titan and gave them access to lyrium, so they were even more highly powered.    It also seems likely that originally they were spirits that became more material, like Cole.    Except that these were very powerful spirits to begin with; think super powered pride demons.    The Forgotten Ones we encounter in game are powerful but they are limited by existing outside the Fade; they are probably much more powerful within it, like the Nightmare demon or faith spirits.   The latter seem the most powerful of all.    If the evanuris were originally faith spirits, then their power probably did grow as a result of the worship they received from the other lesser elves.  

 

The orbs seem to have been a way of channelling that power.    Solas probably expended the power of his orb in creating the Veil, so knew it would have to recharge before he could do anything about fixing the mess he had created.    Since he was now outside the Fade and thus mortal like the other elves, he had no choice but to enter uthenera until such time as his orb recharged.    He only needed it unlocked by someone else; then he probably would have charged himself from it like a battery.     Unfortunately for him, that plan went pear shaped and he ended up losing his power source.    So whilst he probably did play down some of his power to fool the Inquisition, he wasn't as powerful as he later became by absorbing Mythal.     This helped boost him back up to something like his previous levels.   Since he can now turn people to stone with a thought, I think that gives a fair idea of just how awesome the evanuris were in their prime.

 

I don't think he had much choice really about his method of dealing with the evanuris.   He was one against seven and if they truly did kill Mythal, what was going to stop them killing him?    Which is why he went for tricking them into his trap and sealing them away, presumably in some pocket dimension behind a mirror, where their power was no use to them.    The Veil is keeping the prison shut and presumably pulling it down will break the hold on the prison.   

 

He still isn't powerful enough on his own to tear down the Veil, or I would have thought he would have done so.   Possibly he could tear it down but he does not yet have the power to deal with the evanuris.   Whatever the case, I think the reason for the delay and the plot line for a future game, is that he needs to acquire a replacement for his orb; this is somewhere in the region of Tevinter, either in Minrathous itself or possible the Forest of Arlathan, and we have to find a way of getting there first.  

[Aeratus]

1. It's never been made clear how powerful the Evanuris were, but one could pretty much assume that they were more powerful than even the ancient elves at that time, given how they were able to amass large amounts of followers. 

 

2-3. He absorbed the power of Mythal and presumably got back some of his original power as time went by. 

 

4. Yes, I think so. His name is "pride" after all, which means that everything should as you think it will. 

 

5. Solas claimed that he was too weak after his long slumber, which is believable. However, I think he was holding back to some extent at least.  

 

6. Mythal was killed before the veil was formed. I surmise that at that time, the Evanuris wasn't really bound to their corporeal forms, so Mythal's spirit essence could have survived even after she was killed. 

 

7. We know that the veil removed the elves' immortality, maybe because it cut off energy from the fade that is necessary to keep their physical bodies from decaying. Solas is mortal by default. However, he managed to remain in uthenera-like stasis for a few thousand years without his body having decayed (note that in Trespasser, he confirmed that what we see is what all there was of him, meaning that he did not jump bodies). So it seems like he has a way of preserving his physical form for effective immortality. This is not unheard-of, since Zathrian was apparantly immortal. 

 

8. Solas stated that the Evanuris do not die so easily, so maybe you're right that there's a reason they could not have been killed.

[Apo]

This is not unheard-of, since Zathrian was apparantly immortal. 

 

Zathrian used blood magic to extend his lifespan, he was tied to the spirit of the forest in the process, this is why he dies when the curse is gone.

 

Also, from now on, I'll become more and more suspicious of bald elf mages

[Aeratus]

Zathrian used blood magic to extend his lifespan, he was tied to the spirit of the forest in the process, this is why he dies when the curse is gone.

 

Also, from now on, I'll become more and more suspicious of bald elf mages

 

Yeah, bald elf mages haven't had the best track record. But bioware designed baldness as a trait of ancientness and power. All the Sentinel Elves and the Enavuris were also bald.