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[Queen Skadi]

Oh Bioware likes to put on a show about how cool and progressive they are by including all the cool minorities to pander to but when it comes to less cool minorities like polyamorous people they decide that oh no those people are disgusting lepers and we want nothing to do with them, how progressive of you Bioware.

 

I mean Fallout 4 allows you to be polyamorous so why can't you be more like Bethesda by putting less effort in and jus making the romance mechanics more shallow?

 

 

On a side note why is it Bethesda get so much praise for what essentially amounts to nothing? Usually when you read a review of a Bethesda game they do get a lot of praise for things that either other games do better and don't get recognition for or things that would otherwise be considered lazy in any other game, are these reviewers so desperate to find features to praise in an effort to justify the undeserved high score they give (a high score that does not reflect the quality of the game but rather one given in the name of self preservation) in an effort to try and hide the fact they have no journalistic integrity? Or is Bethesda merely the special ed student that requires constant praise for the most mundane of things?

[WittyUsername]

On a side note why is it Bethesda get so much praise for what essentially amounts to nothing? Usually when you read a review of a Bethesda game they do get a lot of praise for things that either other games do better and don't get recognition for or things that would otherwise be considered lazy in any other game, are these reviewers so desperate to find features to praise in an effort to justify the undeserved high score they give (a high score that does not reflect the quality of the game but rather one given in the name of self preservation) in an effort to try and hide the fact they have no journalistic integrity? Or is Bethesda merely the special ed student that requires constant praise for the most mundane of things?

I hear Bethesda buys reviews, so probably that.

 

Would explain why Fallout 4 gets so "OMG BEST GAEM EVUR" numbers from companies, but user score on Metacritic is in the red and there's tons and tons of negative steam reviews.

[SnakeCode]

Should probably change their name to BigotWare...

[Applepie_Svk]

what a hell I was looking at...

[KingofTime]

OP has a point actually, selective pandering at its finest.

I hear Bethesda buys reviews, so probably that.

 

Would explain why Fallout 4 gets so "OMG BEST GAEM EVUR" numbers from companies, but user score on Metacritic is in the red and there's tons and tons of negative steam reviews.

Take off that tinfoil helmet and get some fresh air bub, this is nothing but nonsense. 

[AresKeith]

 

[SolNebula]

 

I hear Bethesda buys reviews, so probably that.

 

Would explain why Fallout 4 gets so "OMG BEST GAEM EVUR" numbers from companies, but user score on Metacritic is in the red and there's tons and tons of negative steam reviews.

 

It's all a NWO Illuminati Reptilians conspiracy! Quick someone call Alex Jones

[Eleonora]

I haven't played fallout yet, but I'm guessing they were just too lazy to include a "jealousy" mechanic rather than that they were super actively trying to include polyamorous relationships.

[Kalas Magnus]

cuz their biggots

[Sanunes]

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Oh Bioware likes to put on a show about how cool and progressive they are by including all the cool minorities to pander to but when it comes to less cool minorities like polyamorous people they decide that oh no those people are disgusting lepers and we want nothing to do with them, how progressive of you Bioware.

 

I mean Fallout 4 allows you to be polyamorous so why can't you be more like Bethesda by putting less effort in and jus making the romance mechanics more shallow?

 

 

On a side note why is it Bethesda get so much praise for what essentially amounts to nothing? Usually when you read a review of a Bethesda game they do get a lot of praise for things that either other games do better and don't get recognition for or things that would otherwise be considered lazy in any other game, are these reviewers so desperate to find features to praise in an effort to justify the undeserved high score they give (a high score that does not reflect the quality of the game but rather one given in the name of self preservation) in an effort to try and hide the fact they have no journalistic integrity? Or is Bethesda merely the special ed student that requires constant praise for the most mundane of things?

 

I don't understand the reactions people have for Bethesda games, it seems to be counter to how people react to every other developer out there and the only reason why I can think they get a free pass for the games they release is because of the games having a modkit.  I admit having the ability to modify the game to be more like what you want seems interesting, but at the same time I want a vanilla release of the game that works without mods to fix what the developers still can't do.

 

I remember reading a review that basically had a line which they removed or I would quote it "that they didn't think the bugs are that important since people have looked past them in past Bethesda games". 

[WittyUsername]

OP has a point actually, selective pandering at its finest.

Take off that tinfoil helmet and get some fresh air bub, this is nothing but nonsense. 

It wouldn't be so surprising. Shady business practice by software designers happen.

 

Throwing money at reviewers to hype a product for more purchases, increase demand, is a smart investment. It's not illegal, though it is immoral.

[KingofTime]

I haven't played fallout yet, but I'm guessing they were just too lazy to include a "jealousy" mechanic rather than that they were super actively trying to include polyamorous relationships.

People like to assume alot of things about games they havent played, surprised, no, shocked. Really i am.

[straykat]

cuz their biggots

 

I'm a bigot against people who can't spell bigot!

 

Or "because". j/k

[KingofTime]

It wouldn't be so surprising. Shady business practice by software designers happen.

 

Throwing money at reviewers to hype a product for more purchases, increase demand, is a smart investment. It's not illegal, though it is immoral.

So every game that gets praise from reviewers but panned by so called players is a conspiracy? You do realize how garbage Metacritic user scores are right? Scratch that of course you dont, which is why brought it up in the 1st place.

[straykat]

It's only fair that I dismiss reviews for Fallout 4. I did the same for DAI, which is lopsided between users and reviewers.

 

I'll play it for myself and see..

[WittyUsername]

So every game that gets praise from reviewers but panned by so called players is a conspiracy? You do realize how garbage Metacritic user scores are right? Scratch that of course you dont, which is why brought it up it the 1st place.

No, but huge differences between player review and company is very telling. A company like Bethesda would not surprise me. It economical influence from game businesses to reviewers do happen. Now, granted, they aren't directly buying the reviews, but it's the same as lobbying for a politic.

 

I dunno why you're tossing the term "conspiracy" around. I just see it as a business practice.

[Eleonora]

People like to assume alot of things about games they havent played, surprised, no, shocked. really.

Just like some people claim to know exactly what went through the developers' minds when they did or did not implement certain elements in the game. Though that doesn't surprise me either.

[Heathen Oxman]

Because Bioware is a private company and can "pander" to, or not "pander" to, any group they feel like.

[Grieving Natashina]

At GaymerX Con in 2014, they sited word budget constraints. They being David Gaider, Patrick Weekes and Karen Weekes. They are only allowed so many lines of dialogue in the game, and that there isn't some sort of separate budget of any kind just for romances. The writers did try to write a poly relationship between the player and two companions, and apparently that blew the word budget out of the water. They aren't opposed to it at all, it was just unfeasible.

I don't remember which part of the panel addressed that question, but the full panel is up on youtube. I think it's part 5 during the audience Q&A.

[Sanunes]

No, but huge differences between player review and company is very telling. A company like Bethesda would not surprise me. It happened before. Now, granted, they aren't directly buying the reviews, but it's the same as lobbying for a politic.

 

I dunno why you're tossing the term "conspiracy" around. I just see it as a business practice.

 

I do believe that is what the reviewers thought of the game, but I think the problem is they don't look at the games the same way we do for they play so many.  I normally only play three or four different games a year if I am lucky and going by the reviews they play at least that many in a month.  If there was some major conspiracy I am pretty sure that exposing it would be a lot more worthwhile to any of the gaming sites then playing a long.

[straykat]

To answer the OP, i think they don't bother with it because it's easier to write.. that and they want to tell more intimate romance stories. Even with a character like Isabela, it's more about two people finding something unique in each other and having each other's backs.

[London]

Oh god another troll Skadi thread. "Just be more shallow like Bethesda". I see you are advancing to attacking multiple brands at once.

Anyway fine with BioWare romances. Don't feel the need to comment more than this given the originating post.

[SnakeCode]

It's only fair that I dismiss reviews for Fallout 4. I did the same for DAI, which is lopsided between users and reviewers.

 

I'll play it for myself and see..

 

People still take reviews/the gaming media in general seriously?

[KingofTime]

Just like some people claim to know exactly what went through the developers' minds when they did or did not implement certain elements in the game. Though that doesn't surprise me either.

Like who? You mean yourself cause your the only one making claims of the intent of something featured in game you havent played.

[straykat]

People still take reviews/the gaming media in general seriously?

 

I don't know. Maybe. DAI being game of the year was apparently important... or something.

 

edit:

That could be important actually, but I'll respect dev or player awards first.