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[The NightMan Cometh]

Do what I do....... When she starts chasing you, lead her to the pug that keeps dying the most...then walk away like a champ.

[afgncaap7]

There's plenty of weapons you can take that aren't some dinky little pistol that'll still keep you between 150% to 200%. For that matter, there's plenty of dinky little pistols that'll kill her. If your current weapon sucks then use something better.

[Miniditka77]

Equip the Talon with Warp Ammo IV and when she starts blocking powers, shoot her in the face.  Or equip something with APIV or Drill III, and when she starts blocking powers, shoot her to get double hits.

 

EDIT:  I guess I should clarify - you should be shooting her in the face whenever you aren't firing a power, you don't need to wait for her to raise her hand.

[The NightMan Cometh]

 

 

 

                                                                                            shoot her in the face. 

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

Missiles work great too.

[Olivia Wilde]

Run away from her towards the Krogan Warlord

[7twozero]

Do a 360 and walk away.

[justinman114]

You need to learn the timing of when to use projectile powers and when not to against banshees.  Also you can throw singularity at the ground near her to avoid her putting up the shield.  She will only put up the shield if you target her and then use a projectile power.  Certain powers like smash can be cleverly used by starting the animation while not targeting her and then quickly aiming at her while you lay the smash down.  This also is very effective with grenades.  If all else fails, you can still use your gun until she does her AOE attack and you can then projectile her again.

[Oni Changas]

Give HA Claymore and take all the cooldown evolutions on your powers. Works like a charm.

 

Don't do that to yourself. Take a Paladin, Carnifex, Talon, Arc Pistol, Wraith, Disciple, Hurricae or a CSMG.

[Deerber]

Don't do that to yourself. Take a Paladin, Carnifex, Talon, Arc Pistol, Wraith, Disciple, Hurricae or a CSMG.

[Catastrophy]

Run away from her towards the Krogan Warlord

Yea, I'll be waiting on the ramp if someone need directions.

[Arkhne]

 

Don't do that to yourself. Take a Paladin, Carnifex, Talon, Arc Pistol, Wraith, Disciple, Hurricae or a CSMG.

 

Or, be cool and take a Lancer or Eagle.

[Oni Changas]

Or, be cool and take a Lancer or Eagle.

I'd post a pic of Walter Kowalski smiling, but his only moods are irate and pissed off.

[MaxCrushmore]

Patience young grasshopper, you wait for the hand of denial to drop, then warp shockwave that ******.

 

HA specializes in crushing mooks (like many kits). Save the bosses for last.

 

IMO, the 2 most effective weapons on the HA (assuming you like to BE stuff) are the Acolyte and the Talon.

 

To all you Claymore lovers, really? On the HA, why would you want to cut down the amount of BE's by half .. if you're going to do that, why not use a weapon kit and play the weapon?

[Deerber]

To all you Claymore lovers, really? On the HA, why would you want to cut down the amount of BE's by half .. if you're going to do that, why not use a weapon kit and play the weapon?

And here we go again...

Because using a Claymore on a kit that has AR, fraqs and CS is not the same as using it on the HA?

[MaxCrushmore]

And here we go again...

Because using a Claymore on a kit that has AR, fraqs and CS is not the same as using it on the HA?

 

It comes down to personal preference, if you are using an HA, don't you actually want to execute BE's at a regular interval?

 

Using it on an HS seems to make more sense if you are looking to play the weapon as obviously the 3 powers you have listed certainly synergize better with a Claymore than the HA's skillset

[Deerber]

It comes down to personal preference, if you are using an HA, don't you actually want to execute BE's at a regular interval?

Using it on an HS seems to make more sense if you are looking to play the weapon as obviously the 3 powers you have listed certainly synergize better with a Claymore than the HA's skillset

It really seems like some people just cannot grasp that using a heavy weapon on a kit with active powers doesn't mean you're just using your gun.

Seriously now, I mean no offense to anyone, and certainly not to you.

But is it that hard to see that if you use a heavy weapon on the HA you're *still* using your powers and getting BEs at regular intervals? You're just trading longer intervals with the ability to have a stronger (in a rather subjective way) gun.

What does this playing the weapon crap even mean? Where is the line? Is there even a line? Aren't we all playing both the weapons and the powers, always, all the time?

Finally, the fact that the Claymore synergizes better with the HSol powers so I should only use it on him and not on the HA is the same thing as saying that the Talon synergizes better with a Geth than anyone else, so you shouldn't use it on any other kit. Does that make sense?

I apologize if I'm wording things in a pretty direct way. Please understand that this kind of behaviour isn't really directed at you, but at all the smart guys who keep talking down the usage of heavy guns just because *they prefer* not to do that.

It kind of gets old after a while, you know.

[MaxCrushmore]

^ Like I say, personal preference, i like lots of BE's, using a heavy weapon on the HA severely restricts that. If you like that, more power to you.

 

I can tell you from watching the average ME3MP player, that using a Claymore on the HA is a very bad move. If you are a top notch player, then knock yourself out.

 

Pretty much that Clint Eastwood gif sums up my thoughts on the matter

 

Edit: Just ran the cookie cutter HA on Kalence 66653, equipped a Claymore X with an HVB, Warp CD is 5.93 seconds, and that is with a lack of fitness. When I run a 66606 with a pistol build, I have a 2.43 second CD on Warp. 3.5 seconds of in game time is significant, plus with extra fitness you can absorb more damage. To me it's a no brainer

[xelander]

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HA specializes in crushing mooks health and armor

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FTFY.

 

It comes down to personal preference, if you are using an HA, don't you actually want to execute BE's at a regular interval?

 

Not necessarily. Go forth and conquer, then come back and tell tales of your victories until the gods themselves take notice!

 

Claymore has excellent killing and stopping power. Instead of just pushing 1(SI)-3(Sh)-2(W) every 8 seconds and shooting madly in-between, with the Claymore you get to do a little more deliberate play of anticipation. Shooting a primed enemy with Warp ammo Claymore is guaranteed OHOK on Platinum unless it's a boss, and it's otherwise massive damage to said boss. Yes, you are not using your powers as often but your a dishing out just as much damage and have just negligibly less CC. You also get not to care that much about the palm/bubble of denial and you get yet another stagger (Talon staggers reliably only in CQC and lolcolyte is good against mooks but crap against bosses; besides it's just plain tasteless on anything other then Justicar with area Pull or Cryo Throw Sentinel).

 

Besides, as Zerfidius so beautifully put it - the High Lord gives you the sureness of the one shot - you have one shot only and that's all a man ever needs.

[Deerber]

^ Like I say, personal preference, i like lots of BE's, using a heavy weapon on the HA severely restricts that. If you like that, more power to you.

 

I can tell you from watching the average ME3MP player, that using a Claymore on the HA is a very bad move. If you are a top notch player, then knock yourself out.

 

Pretty much that Clint Eastwood gif sums up my thoughts on the matter

 

Edit: Just ran the cookie cutter HA on Kalence 66653, equipped a Claymore X with an HVB, Warp CD is 5.93 seconds, and that is with a lack of fitness. When I run a 66606 with a pistol build, I have a 2.43 second CD on Warp. 3.5 seconds of in game time is significant, plus with extra fitness you can absorb more damage. To me it's a no brainer

 

Yes, yes, personal preference, I agree with that. Completely. I just don't understand why I am always looked down upon when I express my personal preference, while people who use light guns are not I am not trying to shove this down someone's throat. I'm merely mentioning that it's a fun and effective way of playing when done right, and people jump at me for "playing the weapon". I'm a bit tired of it, honestly.

 

As for the skill required comment, yeah, it's not for the average pug. But someone who asks here is likely to be pretty skilled already, or soon will be. And from that level of skill to the one required to effectively use a heavy gun on the HA it isn't that long of a shot - it just takes a possibly long trial and error. We've all been there: if one never starts, one never learns.

 

As for the build and the CD numbers, I don't know what you're talking about. As you can see, my Claymore HA has a warp CD of 2.96 secs, which I find perfectly acceptable. That comes with a lack of fitness, but you can put 3 points in it at the cost of about 0.2 secs of CD, and/or replace the power efficiency module with a cyclonic or, better yet, an adrenaline, for a 0.3 one. You can find your own balance on that, the one I linked is how I like it. You can even run a HVB on the Claymore if you want, since it'll be weight glitched, but I prefer not to do that cause if the glitch fails mid game having such a longer CD is a pita.

 

I would advice you to try it some times, for real. Give it a go. You probably won't like it as much as your pistol build, I understand that, but I'm willing to bet that you'll see how it can provide a different and fun way of playing him, and won't think so bad of the practice afterwards

[Quarian Master Race]

The answer (as well as that to which all questions that the Mass Effect universe can possibly offer) is Claymoar.

[The NightMan Cometh]

                                                                       Tech Armor.

[Mordokai]

I can tell you from watching the average ME3MP player, that using a Claymore on the HA is a very bad move. If you are a top notch player, then knock yourself out.

 

I consider myself an average player, at the best of times. I run HFA with HB Claymore and she, quite literally, wreck stuff. Be it from cheating space nazis, across cheating toasters to cheating bugs. She just... kills the lot of them. Does she get less BEs than she would if she would be using Arc? Is she less effective because of it? The answer to the former question is yes. The answer to the latter is no.

 

Is she more fun to play with Claymore? Is she more badass? The answer to both of those questions is a resounding YES! Because in a galaxy where a woman in looked down upon if she's using anything other than a pistol and/or an SMG, she dared to went beyond that, picked up the biggest, heaviest, most awesome sounding shotgun and went on a crusade to blow away the head of every mofo that dares to stand in her way.

 

Sure, people laughed at her... but not for long.

 

Because their heads weren't in place for long.

[Deerber]

I consider myself an average player, at the best of times. I run HFA with HB Claymore and she, quite literally, wreck stuff. Be it from cheating space nazis, across cheating toasters to cheating bugs. She just... kills the lot of them. Does she get less BEs than she would if she would be using Arc? Is she less effective because of it? The answer to the former question is yes. The answer to the latter is no.

 

Is she more fun to play with Claymore? Is she more badass? The answer to both of those questions is a resounding YES! Because in a galaxy where a woman in looked down upon if she's using anything other than a pistol and/or an SMG, she dared to went beyond that, picked up the biggest, heaviest, most awesome sounding shotgun and went on a crusade to blow away the head of every mofo that dares to stand in her way.

 

Sure, people laughed at her... but not for long.

 

Because their heads weren't in place for long.

 

I'm so proud! 

[Loufi]

It really seems like some people just cannot grasp that using a heavy weapon on a kit with active powers doesn't mean you're just using your gun.

Seriously now, I mean no offense to anyone, and certainly not to you.

But is it that hard to see that if you use a heavy weapon on the HA you're *still* using your powers and getting BEs at regular intervals? You're just trading longer intervals with the ability to have a stronger (in a rather subjective way) gun.

What does this playing the weapon crap even mean? Where is the line? Is there even a line? Aren't we all playing both the weapons and the powers, always, all the time?

Finally, the fact that the Claymore synergizes better with the HSol powers so I should only use it on him and not on the HA is the same thing as saying that the Talon synergizes better with a Geth than anyone else, so you shouldn't use it on any other kit. Does that make sense?

I apologize if I'm wording things in a pretty direct way. Please understand that this kind of behaviour isn't really directed at you, but at all the smart guys who keep talking down the usage of heavy guns just because *they prefer* not to do that.

It kind of gets old after a while, you know.

Seeing the Claymore advocated in like 90% of the builds threads is at least as much as annoying as the "playing the weapon" crap.

 

There's no "line", as you said, or if there is one, it is blur most of the time. But the HA is pretty simple to analyze. The guy has an average bonus to weapon damage, and his powers do mediocre individual damage. But on the other hand, he has 2/3 primers and 2/3 detonators with different characteristics, so he is a master at chaining combos, that's his signature. Hence when I play him, I want to exploit this characteristic at its full potential, even more that many light weapons are top tier in this game and that I've plenty of other characters who can make a better use of the Claymore.  

 

Seriously, look at all the sacrifices you make in your build : no fitness, power efficiency as armor bonus, 4b in alliance training (while, as I've said previously, the HA's powers do mediocre individual damage) and 6a, recharge speed evos for the powers, all of this just to use the Claymore ? I will say it frankly because you know I appreciate you, but you have a part of responsability when people throw the "playing the weapon" argument in your face. When you"ll stop advising to adapt the build to make the character works with the Claymore, maybe people will stop doing it too...