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[Anders4Lyfe]

Long story short, I'm way too emotionally involved in this game. Also, I suppose there are spoilers following this, though I'm not sure why you're here if you haven't finished the game. To each their own, I guess. Anyhow:
My Warden romanced Alistair. The thing is, I really dont either of them to "make the final sacrifice". There's no glory in that, only my tears. Is there a way for the two to go live some happy fairytale ending, both alive? Without Alistair fathering a witch's child, perhaps??
I've heard if Loghain survives, Alistair becomes an awful drunk. Would it be different if he were king?

[Swordfishtrombone]

Well, the only way I know of that you can have both your warden, and Alistair survive, without Alistair becoming a drunk OR sleeping with Morrigan, is if you spare Loghain, and persuade Alistair to become a king ruling jointly with Anora - and to succeed in this, requires that Alistair has been hardened (in the quest where you met his sister).

 

Of course, this may not be a happy ending for your Warden either, as your affair with Alistair will be over, with him marrying Anora. Unless you have high persuade, and you may remain as Alistair's mistress - not necessarily a very happy state of affairs either.  

 

If you want both your Warden and Alistair to survive, AND preserve your romance with him, then having Anora rule alone, and Alistair sleep with Morrigan is the only way, as far as I know.

[Tidus]

Since I always use a Elf female she kills Loghain for his crimes and has Alistair to marry Anora in order to unite Ferelden against the blight. I knows that's not the happy  ending you seek but,IMHO one of the best.

 

Alistair is to bullheaded to walkaway from the blight and if Anora is made Queen she threatens to kill Alistair even if Loghain is made a Grey. His only chance is to denounce his claim to the throne and he does then he becomes a drunk.

[Nefla]

Yeah, the baby is the only way for a female warden and Alistair to have a happy ending together. If you spare Loghain, both lives but Alistair leaves you (Loghain is his arch enemy after all) and becomes king without you or becomes an exiled drunk if he's not king.

[Aren]

Make Anora queen while Alisteir will remain a gw kill Loghain.
Refuse morrigan and kick her to the froustback mountains.
Complete denerim dont bring alistair with you leave him at the gates, before to fight the archdemon before to open the door to met the archdemon, use the console to summon Loghain, runscript_zz addparty <tag>  and obtain the redemption ending.

Both alistair and the warden survived while the romance is intact

[sylvanaerie]

Well, the only way I know of that you can have both your warden, and Alistair survive, without Alistair becoming a drunk OR sleeping with Morrigan, is if you spare Loghain, and persuade Alistair to become a king ruling jointly with Anora - and to succeed in this, requires that Alistair has been hardened (in the quest where you met his sister).

 

Of course, this may not be a happy ending for your Warden either, as your affair with Alistair will be over, with him marrying Anora. Unless you have high persuade, and you may remain as Alistair's mistress - not necessarily a very happy state of affairs either.  

 

If you want both your Warden and Alistair to survive, AND preserve your romance with him, then having Anora rule alone, and Alistair sleep with Morrigan is the only way, as far as I know.

 

This part is in error.  If you recruit Loghain, Alistair leaves the PC either to become a wandering drunk or forced to marry Anora.  Either way, both Alistair and the PC survive without the DR, but the romance is dead because sparing Loghain is his breaking point.  It ruins the relationship between the PC and Alistair.

 

To OP: the ending theme may be described as "Sacrifice", kind of a GW credo.  You either sacrifice a life (a warden dies to kill the AD) or you sacrifice innocence (Alistair has to impregnate Morrigan in a blood magic ritual).  Or you could cheat if you play on PC and go Aren's route, but that's kind of a weird solution if you're RPing that suddenly Loghain poofs in and dies (apparently living without a head like a cockroach).  I didn't even know that was possible and it probably breaks your game save and makes importing it into DA2 or DAI tricky since neither of those will recognize cheats to achieve that kind of ending, but is an option.

[Quorwyf]

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To OP: ...  I didn't even know that was possible and it probably breaks your game save and makes importing it into DA2 or DAI tricky since neither of those will recognize cheats to achieve that kind of ending, but is an option.

 

Can you give more details on things not importing for those games? I have saves that are mostly canon but you have me wondering about problems now.

[Captain Wiseass]

Can you give more details on things not importing for those games? I have saves that are mostly canon but you have me wondering about problems now.

Well, the Keep simply won't let you create a world state where Loghain both died at the Landsmeet and killed the Archdemon.

[Mike3207]

Since I always use a Elf female she kills Loghain for his crimes and has Alistair to marry Anora in order to unite Ferelden against the blight. I knows that's not the happy  ending you seek but,IMHO one of the best.

 

Alistair is to bullheaded to walkaway from the blight and if Anora is made Queen she threatens to kill Alistair even if Loghain is made a Grey. His only chance is to denounce his claim to the throne and he does then he becomes a drunk.

Anora doesn't  threaten to kill Alistair if her father is dead. She only threatens him if her father is still alive.

[sylvanaerie]

Can you give more details on things not importing for those games? I have saves that are mostly canon but you have me wondering about problems now.

 

Like if you use game altering modifications.  Such as any mods that allow multiple romances to be active at the end.  Or those that permit gay Alistair or Morrigan romances.  Or mods that permit Alistair to marry a mage, dwarf or elf.  Or mods that allow you to play a class not available to the race (such as a mage dwarf or Dalish) that break the game coding.  Or any mod that permits a female PC to impregnate Morrigan (instead of Alistair or Loghain).  

 

All kinds of mods were available that broke game lore/story to produce effects not intended by the original authors of the game.  Use your imagination and discretion what you think won't be importable.  And as Captain Wiseass points out, trying to use the console to alter the events of the game, such as having a Loghain who died in the Landsmeet kill the Archdemon. 

[Ieldra]

Well, the Keep simply won't let you create a world state where Loghain both died at the Landsmeet and killed the Archdemon.

What a complete surprise . If Loghain died at the Landmeet, he can't kill the Archdemon, so the Keep is correct in denying you that.

[Tidus]

Mike3207,Maybe it was a PS3 glitch/hiccup  but, my female warden made her Queen and her thanks was wanting  to kill Alistair even though my warden put Loghain to the sword. This happen in two games.

[sylvanaerie]

Mike3207,Maybe it was a PS3 glitch/hiccup  but, my female warden made her Queen and her thanks was wanting  to kill Alistair even though my warden put Loghain to the sword. This happen in two games.

Yea, that's a glitch.  Anora only calls for Alistair's execution if her father lives.  I guess she's afraid he's going to continue to make trouble in Ferelden, both politically and for her father, and she's trying to eliminate the threat.

[Tidus]

sylvanaerie,Thanks!  I wasn't sure since that happen twice in my 13 play throughs.

[Quorwyf]

Like if you use game altering modifications.  Such as any mods that allow multiple romances to be active at the end.  Or those that permit gay Alistair or Morrigan romances.  Or mods that permit Alistair to marry a mage, dwarf or elf.  Or mods that allow you to play a class not available to the race (such as a mage dwarf or Dalish) that break the game coding.  Or any mod that permits a female PC to impregnate Morrigan (instead of Alistair or Loghain).  

 

All kinds of mods were available that broke game lore/story to produce effects not intended by the original authors of the game.  Use your imagination and discretion what you think won't be importable.  And as Captain Wiseass points out, trying to use the console to alter the events of the game, such as having a Loghain who died in the Landsmeet kill the Archdemon. 

 

Ok. So saves with any of the things mentioned in the first part won't be accepted by DA2 even if the ending does fit canon for class and background?

[theskymoves]

DA2 will recognize some non-canon flags. For example, I have an Amell Queen of Ferelden HoF, courtesy of a mod called 'Anyone can Marry Alistair'. When imported into DA2, both her status as queen and her background as a Circle mage were correctly referenced throughout the game.

 

Spoiler

 

Recreating her world state for import into DAI was impossible, however, as the DA Keep does not accommodate non-vanilla choices.

[Aren]

DA2 will recognize some non-canon flags. For example, I have an Amell Queen of Ferelden HoF, courtesy of a mod called 'Anyone can Marry Alistair'. When imported into DA2, both her status as queen and her background as a Circle mage were correctly referenced throughout the game.

 

 

It's possible to use the console to give magic directly to the more canon Queen Cousland (if the purpose is to marry AListair) and just rp that it was obtained by using the taint as the magical source  after Avernus experiments

Usually if the "cheat" just revolve on unlocking abilities is not such an huge problem.

DA2 who accept a world state in which Loghain died 2 times is Whoaaa is a mess like Kirkwall.

 

s the relationship between the PC and Alistair.

 

To OP: the ending theme may be described as "Sacrifice", kind of a GW credo.  You either sacrifice a life (a warden dies to kill the AD) or you sacrifice innocence (Alistair has to impregnate Morrigan in a blood magic ritual). 

That forced drama in the ending,seriously because it's forced (Riordan you want make me to believe that you couldn't perform the joining on someone else other than Loghain?)

But that kind of thoughts are only applied in this scenario since with the legit Loghain path his sacrifice represent the reverse of the lost of innocence.

The Warden sacrifice personal glory in humility to not risk anything and Loghain regain some of his heroic qualities,in this scenario i saw the sacrifice at end as a gain of innocence for a man who did many nasty things (for certain by far worse than just conceive a child with blood magic) and for the Warden who decided to not be immortalized as the one who killed the critter,even if the character is the one who defeated the dragon,not that the people of Thedas care since they do not even know the whole soul clashing thing.

[Quorwyf]

DA2 will recognize some non-canon flags. For example, I have an Amell Queen of Ferelden HoF, courtesy of a mod called 'Anyone can Marry Alistair'. When imported into DA2, both her status as queen and her background as a Circle mage were correctly referenced throughout the game.

 

Spoiler

 

Recreating her world state for import into DAI was impossible, however, as the DA Keep does not accommodate non-vanilla choices.

I see. Guess i'll need to keep canon world states in mind for DA:I and after.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

It's also possible to decline the DR and still have both Alistair and the HoF survive the final battle. 

All it takes is a little creative use of the Command Console.  Full details here.