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[Qun00]

This is something I've discussed before and I'd like to see a few more opinions about it.

I know, I know, dangerous and unknown magic.
I already got that part.

What makes the issue a little more complicated is that your Dalish Inquisitor would have to be willing to allow a human to claim his/her heritage.

[Aeratus]

My Lavellan let Morrigan drink.

 

Abelas made it clear that the Dalish were not "his people." So the message was clear that the well is not the heritage of the Dalish. 

[kathic]

Sera said not to. Solas said not to. What more reason do I need? We know almost nothing about it.

[Wulfram]

Well, being bound to the will of another is pretty scary, and there's enough in the temple to make you sceptical as to the benevolence of the elvish gods.

Alternatively, you might consider that Morrigan will be better able to actually learn from the Well. And thus more of your heritage would be recovered.

[Qun00]

My Lavellan let Morrigan drink.

Abelas made it clear that the Dalish were not "his people." So the message was clear that the well is not the heritage of the Dalish.

That reminds me of the vallaslin decision. Where you draw the line between ancient elven culture and Dalish identity. Then again, trying to become the former seems to be their life goal.

Sera said not to. Solas said not to. What more reason do I need? We know almost nothing about it.

Reasons related to what I'm actually discussing, perhaps.

Well, being bound to the will of another is pretty scary, and there's enough in the temple to make you sceptical as to the benevolence of the elvish gods.Alternatively, you might consider that Morrigan will be better able to actually learn from the Well. And thus more of your heritage would be recovered.

Yeah, I believe that how your character perceives Morrigan can be a factor in this.

[Wynterdust]

Perhaps not every dalish elf cares about their history, as is the same with individuals of any culture. Much the same that not everyone would be thrilled at the idea of being bound to another with unknown consequences. At the beginning of the game when Josie asks about your culture, you can pretty much say that as a dalish and that you're glad to be away from the clan.

[In Exile]

This is something I've discussed before and I'd like to see a few more opinions about it.

I know, I know, dangerous and unknown magic.
I already got that part.

What makes the issue a little more complicated is that your Dalish Inquisitor would have to be willing to allow a human to claim his/her heritage.

Well, one, not every Dalish character has to buy into his or her culture's Kool-Aid. In the same way you can have a non-Andrastian human, you can have a Dalish elf who disbelievingly approached the entire religious myth. And so a supposed temple of Mythal with a know geas is not the best place for an experiment in "is my culture's religion real?"

More to the point, it's not my character's heritage. It's the legacy of a group of elves who are by now very long dead and whose culture very much does not exist.

Plus, I tend not to play racist characters, so the fact Morrigan is a human irrelevant.

[Chiramu]

As a Dalish Inquisitor, I WANTED TO DESTROY THE WELL. Why is that not an option? >.> 

 

As if a Dalish Inquisitor wouldn't RESPECT the past and think a power like that is not worthy of anyone living. I didn't want anyone to have that power and suddenly I was in a situation where I had to choose who had to have that power over, destroying it so no one could get it...

[robertmarilyn]

I know the game wouldn't let it happen but why did only one person get to drink from the well? There was plenty for several people to drink.

[Qun00]

Well, one, not every Dalish character has to buy into his or her culture's Kool-Aid. In the same way you can have a non-Andrastian human, you can have a Dalish elf who disbelievingly approached the entire religious myth. And so a supposed temple of Mythal with a know geas is not the best place for an experiment in "is my culture's religion real?"
More to the point, it's not my character's heritage. It's the legacy of a group of elves who are by now very long dead and whose culture very much does not exist.
Plus, I tend not to play racist characters, so the fact Morrigan is a human irrelevant.

It has nothing to do with the fact that Morrigan lacks a pair of pointed ears. It has more to do with her not being part of their society.

[sniper_arrow]

I know the game wouldn't let it happen but why did only one person get to drink from the well? There was plenty for several people to drink.

 

Future potential plot points?

[Illegitimus]

This is something I've discussed before and I'd like to see a few more opinions about it.

I know, I know, dangerous and unknown magic.
I already got that part.

What makes the issue a little more complicated is that your Dalish Inquisitor would have to be willing to allow a human to claim his/her heritage.

 

The only approach I can see is for the inquisitor just to be disillusioned enough about their culture that they'll be willing to reject it's most treasured value.  That can happen.  You can fall in love with Solas and decide he knows everything, or you can convert to Andrastianism seeing as how you're Andraste's "Herald" after all.    

[Aren]

Easy, a Dalish who is no a follower of Mythal and doesn't wish to be bound to her.

[Ieldra]

"I wanted that knowledge, more than almost anything, but....we do not know our gods. Those who think they do are fools. Only imaginary beings can be purely benevolent. Any real being with a will of its own will have its own goals, and being bound to one's will - if it were even acceptable to be bound to anyone's will - is a risk I was not prepared to take. Not even for this. If Morrigan took the Well, the knowledge contained therein would be preserved, and that was what mattered most."  - Ki'ina Lavellan.

[Aren]

 Only imaginary beings can be purely benevolent. Any real being with a will of its own will have its own goals,

Clearly you didn't meet benevolent people,cause they exist and they did not have any hidden goal or agenda,they are just good for the sake of being good,surprising isn't it?

Not everyone is a "Morrigan" in this world; Sandal is very benevolent..and he is not with a goal to accomplish

But in order to keep that knowledge from Morrigan grasping fingers i would gladly grant the well to my Dwarf Inquisitor,i doubt that Mythal wish to have anything to do with my smelly,drunkard and lazy Dwarf inquisitor who only used the well because was thirsty as usual

The well it was not preserved into the hand of my unworthy dwarf,he will probably looks like more drunk than usual with those voices in his head.

[leaguer of one]

Seriously? Everything they learned about the Elbe of old was a lie. They were no different then tevinter of old. And that elven pride and xenophobia the elves tried to get back into it fueled the fall of the dales.

Sorry but you have to be a hypocrite to ignore all that and blindly drink the well. The elves don't need to go back into that.

[leaguer of one]

Clearly you didn't meet benevolent people,cause they exist and they did not have any hidden goal or agenda,they are just good for the sake of being good,surprising isn't it?

History has shown that empires were never built by benevolent people.

[Ieldra]

Clearly you didn't meet benevolent people,cause they exist and they did not have any hidden goal or agenda,they are just good for the sake of being good,surprising isn't it?

Benevolent enough that you would let yourself be bound to their will forever? Even if they existed, I could never know with the degree of certainty required for such a step.

[Qun00]

Seriously? Everything they learned about the Elbe of old was a lie. They were no different then tevinter of old. And that elven pride and xenophobia the elves tried to get back into it fueled the fall of the dales.
Sorry but you have to be a hypocrite to ignore all that and blindly drink the well. The elves don't need to go back into that.

Fair enough, but your character hadn't heard about any of this at that point in time.

[CardButton]

Seriously? Everything they learned about the Elbe of old was a lie. They were no different then tevinter of old. And that elven pride and xenophobia the elves tried to get back into it fueled the fall of the dales.

Sorry but you have to be a hypocrite to ignore all that and blindly drink the well. The elves don't need to go back into that.

I mean it is a valid reason, but it is a bit ... Metagamie.  

 

Your Inquisitor at the time of the Well of Sorrows decision had no way of knowing their gods were false, let alone that the price itself would be revealed so soon after the choice was made (with Flemeth revealing herself as Mythal).  Presumably a Dalish Inquisitor could simply not be that religious or somehow decided to become Andrastian (for some reason), but the information that Evanuris were nothing but powerful mages wasn't known until two years later during the events of Trespasser.

 

Also, weird note but Solas actually doesn't condemn the Inquisitor drinking from the well until after they actually drink from it.  He doesn't want Morrigan to drink (because she seems to want it WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much and I agree), he doesn't want to drink it himself, but he does admit that someone SHOULD drink from it.  By process of elimination that leaves me Solas, your grievances after the fact mean little. 

[Aren]

Benevolent enough that you would let yourself be bound to their will forever? Even if they existed, I could never know with the degree of certainty required for such a step.

Who talked about being bound to someone,i responded to the statement that only "imaginary" people can be benevolent,which is completely untrue since good persons existed,exist and will continue to exist.

That knowledge in Morrigan hands? Nah better lock it into the Inquisitor

[Akiza]

My Lavellan let Morrigan drink.

 

Abelas made it clear that the Dalish were not "his people." So the message was clear that the well is not the heritage of the Dalish. 

Not correct,Abelas is suffering of bitterness and he clearly consider a Dalish Inquisitor to be more worthy than Morrigan whom he label as to be undeserving.

He change is opinion on the Dalish Inquisitor if a certain path is taken.

Plus (this is not my canon of course) if she had a son than she is more stupid than i thought,since she is risking with the well with a son to take care.

10 years have passed and she didn't improved a bit when it comes to temptation,she is like a mouse who cannot resist to  cheese.

Dear Flemeth,manipulate Morrigan is an easy thing to do,just offer to her the "illusion" of power and she will  do whatever you command.

[Ieldra]

Who talked about being bound to someone,i responded to the statement that only "imaginary" people can be benevolent,which is completely untrue since good persons existed,exist and will continue to exist.

I said, only imaginary entities can be purely benevolent. 100% benevolent. In your terms, not just good but perfectly good. I stand by that, and I'd only trust such an entity to the extent that I'd give it control over me.

[KumoriYami]

because elven glory!

 

....well back to the question... I think a Lavellan who is First to their clan would be more likely to drink from the Well since it would eventually fall to them to lead the clan and preserve what they could of the believed old practices, which is why my fem mage Lavellan did despite Solas...

[Ghost Gal]

If I did have a Dalish Inquisitor who didn't drink, I imagine they chose not to because of Morrigan's point that she has more training and experience with ancient magics like this (*cough*mightywhitey*cough*) and she is more likely to be able to decipher and use it. While she isn't part if the elven community, she does make it clear that she is sincerely passionate about restoring and preserving ancient magics almost lost to time, including ancient elven magic. I guess if you were the kind who felt it was better that someone "better qualified" (who is not elven born or raised... of course) drank the Well and deciphered and used it, and that that ancient magic and knowledge was restored even outside the elven community, it could feel like a worthy decision.