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[Caldyrvan]

A few questions:

 

• 1. Does it matter for the proc in which hand I have the dagger? (as far as I noticed, it doesn´t)
• 2. Does a proc (like Audacity´s Explode on Kill for 75% weapon damage) use the the Daggers damage which has the ability or does it use the damage of the main hand dagger?
• 3. Does someone has a (complete) list of abilities (agent abilites not such from weapons) which use the offhand damage instead of the main hand damage

Would be nice to know for sure instead of gambling

[ThatBruhYouDK]

1) No

2) Explode on kill is from the damage dealt from the death strike

3) Twin Fangs (one hit is from main, other from off). Flank Attack (one strike from each). Idk if there are others

[coldsteelblue]

1) No

2) Explode on kill is from the damage dealt from the death strike

3) Twin Fangs (one hit is from main, other from off). Flank Attack (one strike from each). Idk if there are others

 

Deathblow uses both daggers & I think, simply due to the sheer number of hits that spinning blades uses both too

[TheThirdRace]

http://forum.bioware...mbat-mechanics/

[Caldyrvan]

Thank you for the answer

[ReadingRambo220]

Audacity is fun, but IMO the most entertaining use of explode on kill is with Tazpanars Bane bow and full draw. For low cunning players, you can use the stealth -> auto crit full draw hunter, while high cunning can use archer as well.

It's absolutely devastating. Since the explode is based on the weapon damage of the killing blow, and therefore full draws dmg, my 42 will/60 cunning hunter was getting about 6500 damage explosions after a kill on perilous. I was wiping out entire groups with a single shot.


An interesting note is that the explosion damage is spirit based, and therefore does much higher damage vs. spirit weak enemies. I was getting 15k splash damage on templar abominations. I had forgot to equip the full draw ring which I will do next promotion.

With higher willpower i imagine this could work on nightmare, as I can't one shot things on NM with full draw yet.

Bitter axe + wombo combo is another fun use of explode on kill.

[lcneed]

I really miss Audacity, but the higher level daggers are just too good to give up.   Like the guy in the orignal Total Recal said... "I wish I have 3 hands."  BTW, don't google it at work if you haven't seen the movie.   It is NSFW.

[Silversmurf]

BTW, don't google it at work if you haven't seen the movie.

 

lol 

 

we are old

[Caldyrvan]

I really miss Audacity, but the higher level daggers are just too good to give up.

 

Except for the few abilities which use its damage the off hand dagger is more to round up everything, get something you need, want (like HoK, or a nice proc). Ok ok if are in the bad situation of having two hakkon daggers I understand it. Otherwise I see no loss by using a dagger in the off hand which has a lower damage so I go for something more fun, for the change or just for hell of it

[lcneed]

Except for the few abilities which use its damage the off hand dagger is more to round up everything, get something you need, want (like HoK, or a nice proc). Ok ok if are in the bad situation of having two hakkon daggers I understand it. Otherwise I see no loss by using a dagger in the off hand which has a lower damage so I go for something more fun, for the change or just for hell of it

 

Only if you have high promo and can chain up abilities.  I still have to use basic attacks in between and I just can't give up bloody bargain's 17% hok and super attack speed.  And I kind of like the hakkon's stam per kill + extra stamina that pretty much kept even the level 1 rogues up on stamina full all the time.  And the ST is nice to help me survive in NM when I don't get much kills. 

[Caldyrvan]

You are right. It just depends on promotions, difficulty you want to play , prefereces etc.  (but except for Isabela spamming Bolt how do you run out of stamina on lvl 1 rogues? ) 

[nanotm]

charging bull often drains it so much you cant use throwing blades ....

[capn233]

So why would someone use two Hakkon daggers?  Are the masterworks not actually identical, or did they change the game to allow them to stack?

 

Somewhat related, I got a third and fourth Bloody Bargain in chests tonight, both salvaged.  I have kept the previous two for whatever reason (well, mainly aversion to salvaging), but there isn't really any point to keeping a duplicate right?  I have Savage Thorn now as well (in the pack with the third Bargain), so I would imagine there isn't hardly any reason to keep two Bargains since my ST has the same base damage as the second Bargain.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

So why would someone use two Hakkon daggers? Are the masterworks not actually identical, or did they change the game to allow them to stack?

Somewhat related, I got a third and fourth Bloody Bargain in chests tonight, both salvaged. I have kept the previous two for whatever reason (well, mainly aversion to salvaging), but there isn't really any point to keeping a duplicate right? I have Savage Thorn now as well (in the pack with the third Bargain), so I would imagine there isn't hardly any reason to keep two Bargains since my ST has the same base damage as the second Bargain.

200% crit damage..that is why. So much bolt destruction!

[lcneed]

I believe HOK rings stack, so HOK on the bloody bargain probably will stack.  2 bloody bargains + 2 10% hok rings... 54% hok! LOL  the increase attack speed may stack too... I wonder.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

I believe HOK rings stack, so HOK on the bloody bargain probably will stack. 2 bloody bargains + 2 10% hok rings... 54% hok! LOL the increase attack speed may stack too... I wonder.

HOK stacks. The speed does not stack

[capn233]

200% crit damage..that is why. So much bolt destruction!

 

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking.

[TheThirdRace]

200% crit damage..that is why. So much bolt destruction!

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking.

I much prefer the 50% movement and attack speed from Bloody Bargain than the 100% Critical Damage from a second Hakkon dagger.

Given you have 2 Hakkons, 2 Bloody Bargain and 1 Bosun Blade...

Alchemist: Bosun + Bloody (Assassin style - which is tremendously powerful) OR Hakkon + Bloody (Elemental Mines)
Assassin: Bosun + Bloody
Duelist: Hakkon + Bloody
Silent Sister: Hakkon + Bloody

At no point whatsoever I'd take 2 Hakkon if I have access to either Bosun Blade or Bloody Bargain.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

I much prefer the 50% movement and attack speed from Bloody Bargain than the 100% Critical Damage from a second Hakkon dagger.

Given you have 2 Hakkons, 2 Bloody Bargain and 1 Bosun Blade...

Alchemist: Bosun + Bloody (Assassin style - which is tremendously powerful) OR Hakkon + Bloody (Elemental Mines)
Assassin: Bosun + Bloody
Duelist: Hakkon + Bloody
Silent Sister: Hakkon + Bloody

At no point whatsoever I'd take 2 Hakkon if I have access to either Bosun Blade or Bloody Bargain.

I'm talking straight up single damage it is great. Of course on Assassin I use Bosun's Blade with Hakkon in off hand. Almost 20K hidden blades/ twin fangs (on each hit).
Duelist I use double hakkons because of bolt
S.S Hakkon with bloody for damage and speed
Alchy: Bloody and Hakkon for lots and lots of mines

[TheLeakestWink]

I much prefer the 50% movement and attack speed from Bloody Bargain than the 100% Critical Damage from a second Hakkon dagger.

Given you have 2 Hakkons, 2 Bloody Bargain and 1 Bosun Blade...

Alchemist: Bosun + Bloody (Assassin style - which is tremendously powerful) OR Hakkon + Bloody (Elemental Mines)
Assassin: Bosun + Bloody
Duelist: Hakkon + Bloody
Silent Sister: Hakkon + Bloody

At no point whatsoever I'd take 2 Hakkon if I have access to either Bosun Blade or Bloody Bargain.

 

Agreed, the benefits of either BB + Hakkon outweigh 200% crit damage bonus IMO.

 

I like Hakkon + Silencer on the Alchemist (Mines build), as I don't feel that she needs to the speed bonuses (yes, I realize you can get more mine tosses in), and HB shatters when using Ice Flask.

[Jugger nuggss]

Army dirk?

[Drasca]

200% crit damage..that is why. So much bolt destruction!

 

+200%

 

There's 40% base and 50/100 crom the crow's nest passive, plus dexterity and other gear bonuses. Add it all up.

[FMP2013]

I use Hakkon + savage torn instead of bloody bargain for more survivability. Its still a must for me on nightmare.
Unless my team is tearing down everything, so I equip Bloody Bargain which is much more fun, and I also can replace HoK rings with crit chance and armor penetration.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

+200%

There's 40% base and 50/100 crom the crow's nest passive, plus dexterity and other gear bonuses. Add it all up.

That is what I meant but I guess I should have stated it

[nanotm]

silencer on the ss is pretty good with the bargain, I don't yet have the hakon but I do have the bosuns, having used it on several runs I don't like the loss of damage when stuff spins round on you which as I wasn't hosting was constantly making my damage tiny compared to what it could of been, but I cant solo the level so I wont setup as host with the assassin ... so I take thorn and bargain or silencer and bargain on everything now, once I get the hakon no doubt that will change (if rng lets me have one that is)