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[Imperius]

Just a fun little topic I thought of. Figure everyone can give their opinion and why. Can come from any of the games or books.  

[Aren]

Those people from Drinkquisition

[Ashagar]

The Ancient elven God Kings given what they did to their own people, the dragons and the titans as well as the fact apparently some of the more bloody thirsty members used to hunt human tribes for sport. Excluding them the Ancient Tevinter Magisters given they utterly dominated the continent of Thadas until the first blight and then Andraste's holy war on them in the name of one of their own gods.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Those people from Drinkquisition

 

Fact! Mark that I said it. 

[Serza]

Those people from Drinkquisition

 

I confirm this. Even writers bow down before our drink-destroyed livers, for we have escaped even a Prohibition.

 

*downs another mug of mead*

[Qis]

Grey Warden is the strongest, because no one can defeat the Blight without Grey Warden, when Blight happen everyone will get tainted except Grey Warden.

[d1ta]

Evanuris.

If Solas hadn't reprimand them with long time outs by creating the veil, I don't think anyone else can challenge their superiority.
Heck, the reason of their downfall is because of a combination of arrogance, lust of power and 'betrayal' from within, not because they got toppled down by humans/dwarves/qunari/whatever invasion.
Even Abelas comments about how Tevinter didn't cause the fall of Arlathan, they were just scavenging on a dead corpse.

[KaiserShep]

Grey Warden is the strongest, because no one can defeat the Blight without Grey Warden, when Blight happen everyone will get tainted except Grey Warden.

 

This doesn't really make them the strongest, only one of the most specialized. 

[thats1evildude]

The darkspawn. They control the most territory and the most troops. Mustered into a real organized fighting force, they could be unstoppable.

[Qis]

This doesn't really make them the strongest, only one of the most specialized. 

 

The Blight will happen and is neverending, so Grey Warden still the strongest because no one can defeat the Blight.

 

The Blight is the greatest threat in Thedas, no threat is in similar weight.

[nightscrawl]

The Blight is the greatest threat in Thedas, no threat is in similar weight.

You just proved thats1evildude's point, though.

The Wardens are not the strongest by themselves. They are needed to end a Blight for a very specific reason. Even they need to have treaties to call on other nations to combat a Blight because they can't fight it on their own.

 

However, I'm not sure that this type of answer was what the OP had in mind in asking the question. I think thats1evildude is right and there really is no contest if you consider what the darkspawn are: they aren't sentient beings with emotions, who miss their families while they're away fighting, who can switch loyalties for the right price, and so on. They are endless, mindless, killing machines that will slowly, and inevitably erode away any fighting force as long as they have the song of the Archdemon directing them to do so. That is why the Grey Wardens are needed, but aren't necessarily the strongest. If they decided to simply fight the darkspawn they would lose; a Warden killing the Archdemon is the only way. But being strategic does not equate to brute strength.

[Aren]

The second most powerful organization:

I vote for the Chevaliers of Orlais,because unlike the Wardens they have a better structure,better and well trained soldiers

and they are not lyrium addicted like the templars.

3rds the Antivan crows 

4th Solas soldiers (they have a great possibility to grow)

5th The silver Order

 

 

[Wulfram]

Evanuris
Ancient Tevinter
Ancient Dwarves
Orlais under Kordilius Drakon
Qunari

[Qis]

You just proved thats1evildude's point, though.

The Wardens are not the strongest by themselves. They are needed to end a Blight for a very specific reason. Even they need to have treaties to call on other nations to combat a Blight because they can't fight it on their own.

 

However, I'm not sure that this type of answer was what the OP had in mind in asking the question. I think thats1evildude is right and there really is no contest if you consider what the darkspawn are: they aren't sentient beings with emotions, who miss their families while they're away fighting, who can switch loyalties for the right price, and so on. They are endless, mindless, killing machines that will slowly, and inevitably erode away any fighting force as long as they have the song of the Archdemon directing them to do so. That is why the Grey Wardens are needed, but aren't necessarily the strongest. If they decided to simply fight the darkspawn they would lose; a Warden killing the Archdemon is the only way. But being strategic does not equate to brute strength.

 

The treaties is only if something bad happen, Duncan hope they can defeat the Blight at Ostagar, meaning the Ferelden and some Grey Wardens are actually enough, but they got betrayed by Loghain. Yes, there are arguments about they should have been lost, but still Duncan is confident they can stop the Blight at Ostagar only with Ferelden troops.

 

They are strongest organization because the Blight threat never cease, and there are two more Blights, meaning all other threats that comes before these two are never a real threat to Thedas, anyone can deal with these threats, but when the Blight is coming, only Grey Warden can deal with it and no one else.

 

Grey Warden only from the best of the best, they know they sure die, either die in battle or die by the taint. Only the best will become a Grey Warden. The warden however a special case because Duncan is desperate for finding new recruit, The warden might not be the best, but he/she is all he got. So means, the best of all the best in Thedas are recruited, no one can claim they are better than Grey Warden because Grey Wardens are simply the best of the best.

 

As a faction, they are on their own, no matter how people love or hate them, people still need them...

[Wulfram]

All you need is to get someone to spill the secret of the Joining and the Grey Wardens would be fairly irrelevant.

[Cute Nug]

1) Those frigging kamikaze psycho bears!

2) Shards = pure evil

[nightscrawl]

^ So right. The bears win.

[Serza]

1) Those frigging kamikaze psycho bears!

2) Shards = pure evil

 

This particular example of Elvhen Glory failed to heed the warning at the Prideful Place twice. You can do it, trust me.

 

Tel Garas Solasan, they said. I walk the Vir'Enasalin, I replied. And so I struck at the Creature of Pride within.

 

 

And bears are fine if you L2DA.

[Medhia_Nox]

Easily the Darkspawn.... sentient pollution is unstoppable. 

[timebean]

Seekers of Truth.

 

Why?

 - They were the orginal inquisition. Thus, one of the oldest groups in Thedas.

 - They whip the templars like they are mere pups (when templars are one of the strongest, well-trained armies in Thedas).

 - Members have super powers - like boling somone's blood.  Yikes!

 - They discovered tranquility and used it to control the entire population of mages (in Ferelden at least).

 - The ritiual to become one is pretty hard core.  Only the best survive.

 - They are scary and self-righteous and the Chnatry approves of them.  So they are driven and well-backed.

 

But then...

How the hell did a single Envy demon bring them down? Maybe I'm wrong...

[thats1evildude]

But then...

How the hell did a single Envy demon bring them down? Maybe I'm wrong...

 

Well, it had help. The old Lord Seeker let it take his place.

[vbibbi]

I wonder what would have happened if the Darkspawn had emerged while the Enuvaris were still around...Easily defeated or still a challenge to eradicate completely? Of course, if the Blight is a biological weapon made by the Enuvaris, maybe they would have known how to counteract it.

[Medhia_Nox]

@vbibbi:  There is evidence in the codexes of Descent and Trespasser that suggest the Evanuris are directly responsible for the creation of the darkspawn.  

 

The thought would suggest that the Titan that's creating the red lyrium is the original creator of the darkspawn... not the Evanuris, but it also suggests that the Evanuris - while mining and killing Titans - ran into darkspawn which forced them to abandon their efforts and collapse the mines.

 

The song that comes from the corrupted Old Gods is not dissimilar to the song that derives from the Titans (only a dissonance vs. a resonance)  

[JadeDragon]

The Blight. Despite its origin or its creator it is a force that even its creator could not stop or control. Titans Evanuris Dragons Qunari Humans whoem ever one thing is for sure they all can get infected by it and the majority are helpless to stop it once that happens. Darkspawn are not the smartest but they are the strongest, if the Seven Magisters had all worked together to somehow control the darkspawn whom are already a hive mind Thedas would be doomed. Start by taking over al lthe thiags underground killing the dwarf race also putting a blow to the lyrium supply up top then coming to the surface to pick apart thedas. Lucky ego and shame has prevented that.

[vbibbi]

@vbibbi:  There is evidence in the codexes of Descent and Trespasser that suggest the Evanuris are directly responsible for the creation of the darkspawn.  

 

The thought would suggest that the Titan that's creating the red lyrium is the original creator of the darkspawn... not the Evanuris, but it also suggests that the Evanuris - while mining and killing Titans - ran into darkspawn which forced them to abandon their efforts and collapse the mines.

 

The song that comes from the corrupted Old Gods is not dissimilar to the song that derives from the Titans (only a dissonance vs. a resonance)  

So was it the Enuvaris' attacks on the Titans that somehow wounded them and turned their blue blood into red? And somehow Darkspawn were a result of this conflict?